Lichtenstein: Bumbling Bowles Clueless About His Own Team

[long suffering jets fan]

On 9/12/2017 at 3:18 PM, Joe W. Namath said:

Bowles will never get a hc gig after he gets fired this year.  He makes Rex look smart.

Rex was effective to some degree, Bowles is completely ineffective.  Send him back to his buddy Arians and send D.C. Coordinator buddy with him.

[long suffering jets fan]

On 9/12/2017 at 9:17 PM, Freemanm said:

This says it all. I don't even think Hackenberg is good enough to be a backup on a CFL team. I know money is the reason why Buster Skrine is still on the team, but I have no idea why he is starting over Burris, who, imo, is proving to be a very capable corner. We have some good players on defense but they still seemed way too disaorganized. They were often out of position on Sunday. Marcus Maye will be a decent safety in this league but I'm still puzzled as to why we went with a safety in round 2. If our plan is to get a franchize QB next season, shouldn't we have went offense in the second round last year? My expectation is that we can trade our #2 two this spring for a second and third rounder. Not even Macc can screw up two second round picks. 

So frustrating to watch this team under Bowles' leadership.  I remember the first year Parcells took over the Jets who were 1-15 the previous year and how they almost made the playoffs under his leadership.  Amazing how many of the same players performed under Parcells.  We so desperately need a real coach with a strong track record otherwise our young talent will never reach their potential.

[long suffering jets fan]

On 9/12/2017 at 9:17 PM, Freemanm said:

This says it all. I don't even think Hackenberg is good enough to be a backup on a CFL team. I know money is the reason why Buster Skrine is still on the team, but I have no idea why he is starting over Burris, who, imo, is proving to be a very capable corner. We have some good players on defense but they still seemed way too disaorganized. They were often out of position on Sunday. Marcus Maye will be a decent safety in this league but I'm still puzzled as to why we went with a safety in round 2. If our plan is to get a franchize QB next season, shouldn't we have went offense in the second round last year? My expectation is that we can trade our #2 two this spring for a second and third rounder. Not even Macc can screw up two second round picks. 

Disorganized is the right word and that points directly to the D.C. And Bowles.  Even with our young players there is no spark on this team.  And Skrines is our second highest paid player, so it ain't the money.  This whole team is built on cronyism.  Bowles has buddies in high places who recommended him and the D.C. Is his buddy and skrine is the teachers pet. 

[sciond]

A few items

Who wants to work for the tool Woody?

Why would any respectable candidate want to be a part of the s**t show

Why would any talented player who is a free agent come here with the Jets track record? (maybe for severe overpay)

Jets

Effectively

Tank

Season

 

 

[nycdan]

On ‎9‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 9:17 PM, Freemanm said:

Not even Macc can screw up two second round picks. 

One would hope, but then Mac's first two 2nd round picks were Devin Smith and Christian Hackenberg.  

 

[68JET11]

I don't post much but read here often. I've seen enough of this regime to know that until we get a GM and coach, this team goes nowhere. I was a supporter of Macc, but the past draft left me wondering why I've supported him. Not because he drafted 2 safeties, but because he doesn't seem to get the picture that football is won in the trenches first. To ignore the OL his first 3 drafts is indefensible. This team needs OL. Everyone clamors for the QB, and yes so do I, but I'm not ready to get one killed before we have the basics of what makes football tick. You can have all the skill players you want but if the OL can't run or pass block, then who the hell is making plays. Tom Brady couldn't be a good QB on this team. The next subject is the coach. I have not seen any growth from him in 3 seasons to make me believe he is going to be a good even if we had good players. Yes we might win games because we have good players, but that would only be despite him. He needs to go and go SOON. His decision making is horrible. This starts from the top and it's time for this owner to hire a FOOTBALL guy to be in charge of the team, like Jacksonville did with TC. Then let him pick the GM and coach with the reporting structure that has the coach answering to the GM, and the GM to the President of Football Operations. Again, just my opinion, but something needs to change.

[long suffering jets fan]

6 hours ago, 68JET11 said:

I don't post much but read here often. I've seen enough of this regime to know that until we get a GM and coach, this team goes nowhere. I was a supporter of Macc, but the past draft left me wondering why I've supported him. Not because he drafted 2 safeties, but because he doesn't seem to get the picture that football is won in the trenches first. To ignore the OL his first 3 drafts is indefensible. This team needs OL. Everyone clamors for the QB, and yes so do I, but I'm not ready to get one killed before we have the basics of what makes football tick. You can have all the skill players you want but if the OL can't run or pass block, then who the hell is making plays. Tom Brady couldn't be a good QB on this team. The next subject is the coach. I have not seen any growth from him in 3 seasons to make me believe he is going to be a good even if we had good players. Yes we might win games because we have good players, but that would only be despite him. He needs to go and go SOON. His decision making is horrible. This starts from the top and it's time for this owner to hire a FOOTBALL guy to be in charge of the team, like Jacksonville did with TC. Then let him pick the GM and coach with the reporting structure that has the coach answering to the GM, and the GM to the President of Football Operations. Again, just my opinion, but something needs to change.

Agree on all counts.  We need an OL,  Bowles needs to go and we need to have our coach be accountable to the GM.

[Fantasy Island]

On 9/12/2017 at 8:43 PM, Jet_Engine1 said:

Forget players, its positions. What are the marque positions in the NFL in descending order?

QB

LT

3-4 OLB/4-3 DE/Edge Rush

Corner.

 

Notice, no Safeties, no Defensive Tackles, no 3-4 DEs. Because those arent premium positions. 

 

Drafting for BPA is sound in theory. When youre already good. When that player is a premium position and fills a need. IDGAF how good Jamal Adams or Leonard Williams are, you dont draft a DT or a fracking Safety in the top 6 when you have ZERO QB, ZERO Playmakers, or are already 3 deep at the position on an otherwise barren roster 

 

As for Bowles, I thought Rex was bad, and I thought Herm was a moron. But Bowles is worse than both of them. Hes the worst Gameday HC since Kotite. Al Groh would be a massive upgrade, and the only reaaon hes still employed and might actually be back is because of the current social undercurrent in the NFL.

This  X 1000000000

[jgb]

On 9/13/2017 at 4:17 AM, Sperm Edwards said:

But they both need to get replaced. That doesn't happen by firing only one of them, and leaving the other to hire yet another incompetent and furnish him with more bad draft picks plus lazy or past-prime veterans.

The worst thing that could happen is giving either one of these two - even the perceived lesser of these two evils - another 3 years.

There is a way to make sure the HC and GM are always aligned... give both jobs to the same hombre. That should appeal to Woody--only one salary instead of two.

[jgb]

On 9/13/2017 at 6:40 AM, bostonmajet said:

 

But, my guess is that you will be happy and both Mac and Bowles will be gone. Of course good teams don't trade FOs every 3-4 years. Bad teams do. But I hear your frustration. 

You're confusing correlation with causation. They don't flip FOs frequently because they are good. Not the other way around.

[varjet]

On 9/13/2017 at 11:20 PM, jack48 said:

That was a pretty long comment. I couln't finish it. But if you are saying both of these clowns should go, I'm with you all the way

They both should go, assuming that a new competent GM can come in.  I would say Gettleman or Dorsey, but people seem to be poopooing them.  My guess is that Dorsey has learned from his mistakes and wants another chance.

I think some, but not all, of Macc's bad decisions were a product of working with Bowles.

15 hours ago, 68JET11 said:

I don't post much but read here often. I've seen enough of this regime to know that until we get a GM and coach, this team goes nowhere. I was a supporter of Macc, but the past draft left me wondering why I've supported him. Not because he drafted 2 safeties, but because he doesn't seem to get the picture that football is won in the trenches first. To ignore the OL his first 3 drafts is indefensible. This team needs OL. Everyone clamors for the QB, and yes so do I, but I'm not ready to get one killed before we have the basics of what makes football tick. You can have all the skill players you want but if the OL can't run or pass block, then who the hell is making plays. Tom Brady couldn't be a good QB on this team. The next subject is the coach. I have not seen any growth from him in 3 seasons to make me believe he is going to be a good even if we had good players. Yes we might win games because we have good players, but that would only be despite him. He needs to go and go SOON. His decision making is horrible. This starts from the top and it's time for this owner to hire a FOOTBALL guy to be in charge of the team, like Jacksonville did with TC. Then let him pick the GM and coach with the reporting structure that has the coach answering to the GM, and the GM to the President of Football Operations. Again, just my opinion, but something needs to change.

The director of football does not need to be a bigger job than the GM's.  I just needs to be someone with a brain who can call baloney on drafting 2 safeties in the first 2 rounds.

32 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

This  X 1000000000

This was the 2 safety point.   I think you really need to go onto Wikipedia and look at the drafts, and who the Jets ended up passing over to draft who they did.  Maye is a decent player, but my guess is that when you look at who was passed over in the second round at the end of the year, there will be better players that the Jets passed over-ignoring the running backs that the Jets were not going to draft, and I accept that.

The good news is that the 2015 and 2016 were lousy drafts overall.    The bad news is that the Jets were outgunned.  As I watch other teams play, it is interesting to see the players you read about or heard Kiper talking about make meaningful contributions to their teams.  Part of that is Macc, but part of that is Bowles and his development of those players.

Here is a chunk of the second round from Devin Smith down.  From what I recall, the Jets were going to reclaim Geno Smith, and knowing that he had an arm wanted Desean Jackson to heave the ball to.  The Jets were not able to sign him.   That appeared to have led Macc to want to draft Devin Smith.  For all of his BPA reputation, he really only does that in the first round.  We can discuss who the right players to draft there were, other than Devin Smith-it seems WRs like that are available in FA.  Its the Julio Jones that are not.

2	37	New York Jets	Devin Smith	WR	Ohio State	Big Ten
	2	38	Washington Redskins	Preston Smith	DE	Mississippi State	SEC
	2	39	Chicago Bears	Eddie Goldman	DT	Florida State	ACC
	2	40	Tennessee Titans	Dorial Green-Beckham	WR	Missouri	SEC	from New York Giants  [R2 - 2]
	2	41	Carolina Panthers	Devin Funchess	WR	Michigan	Big Ten	from St. Louis [R2 - 3]
	2	42	Atlanta Falcons	Jalen Collins	CB	LSU	SEC
	2	43	Houston Texans	Benardrick McKinney	ILB	Mississippi State	SEC	from Cleveland [R2 - 4]
	2	44	New Orleans Saints	Hau'oli Kikaha	OLB	Washington	Pac-12
	2	45	Minnesota Vikings	Eric Kendricks	ILB	UCLA	Pac-12	2014 Butkus Award and Lott Trophy winner
	2	46	San Francisco 49ers	Jaquiski Tartt	S	Samford	SoCon
	2	47	Philadelphia Eagles	Eric Rowe	CB	Utah	Pac-12	from Miami [R2 - 5]
	2	48	San Diego Chargers	Denzel Perryman	ILB	Miami (FL)	ACC
	2	49	Kansas City Chiefs	Mitch Morse	G	Missouri	SEC
	2	50	Buffalo Bills	Ronald Darby	CB	Florida State	ACC