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After the two years of John Idzik's tenure, h cleared out a LOT of cap space, but as we all know, drafted poorly.

Whether you agree or not, Mike Maccagnan is on thin ice.  He too this year cleared a LOT of cap space and jettisoned many veteran contracts.

Will history repeat itself?  Another GM coming in who will get a clean slate?  If the cap goes up even slightly to $170 million next year, the Jets will have roughly $60+ million as of now, with another $20 million in contracts that can be cut.  That, along with what is likely a top 3 pick in all the rounds, you have to wonder: IF Woody wants to clean slate (again), would $60-80 million dollars in cap space at top picks in each round of the draft be enough to persuade a solid veteran GM to move to the Big Apple?

 

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Macc has another year, at least. He's not getting fired. I know people think he's the devil incarnate, but he's not getting the boot. 

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$60M + about $17M in carry over + between $15M - $20M in cuts puts us between $95 and $100M in cap space as it is now.  

Problem is that I don't see any pending free agents that are a legitimate LT or pass rusher.  

Regardless of what Woody does, he better make damn sure that we get our QB next April.  Anyone recommending to do what Cleveland has done the past two seasons should be fired on the spot.

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9 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

... would $60-80 million dollars in cap space at top picks in each round of the draft be enough to persuade a solid veteran GM to move to the Big Apple?

 

You may be forgetting about the cap space from this season that gets carried over.  Last I checked, w/o cutting anyone else next year, we'd have around 85 mil free I think.  Then when ya add in the likely cuts, it approaches 100mil.

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The value of cap space means a whole lot less than it used to. The rookie scale and increased cap limits really pretty much made it so teams can keep their own guys and the guys that make it to market are either solid talents looking for huge paydays on winning teams or are mediocre talents looking for paydays on any team. 

That's why i think you are seeing more trades and increased valuation of draft picks. 

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2 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

God willing

Terry Bradway worked here for 14 years. Jeff Bauer for i think 12. To be fair, they both presumably were piping hot candidates for other nfl jobs, right? 

 If the Jets have shown anything, you don't need to be good at your job for 5 years plus. Source: Jets. 

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17 minutes ago, DMan77 said:

Macc has another year, at least. He's not getting fired. I know people think he's the devil incarnate, but he's not getting the boot. 

If his draft picks don't show improvement over the course of the season, I think the organization is completely justified in replacing him. No GM that goes 3-13 in year three of his tenure should feel safe, no matter what the circumstances are.

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Just now, ChuckkieB said:

If his draft picks don't show improvement over the course of the season, I think the organization is completely justified in replacing him. No GM that goes 3-13 in year three of his tenure should feel safe, no matter what the circumstances are.

Pretty sure they have an agreement in place behind the scenes. They went all-in on the rebuild and I think that comes with one more shot at the draft for MM.

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Then there is the wild card to all the conjecture with Woody's brother running the show. He has no track record we can draw upon so really anything can happen. 

Maybe he starts feeling his oats stepping out of Woody's shadow and starts channeling AL Davis or George Steinbrenner or Ted Stepian and just runs bat sh!t nuts and roughshod through the franchise.

Could be fun.

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4 minutes ago, JiF said:

Everything about the New York Jets is history repeating itself and they never learn their lesson.  Doesn't matter the HC or GM, stupidity runs rampant throughout the organization.

Example of the Jets not learning from history:

Under qualified Defensive Coordinators becoming 1st time Head Coaches.  

Under qualified "Front office/personnel guys" becoming 1st time GM's.

Defense, defense, defense, defense in the 1st round.

sh*tty veteran QB, after sh*tty veteran QB "bridging the gap" to no one.  

Drafting players who excelled a certain position/play in college and asking them to do something else in the pro's.

Constantly ignoring the obvious measurements at the combine for pas rushers.

Bringing in old washed up veterans and relying heavily on them...see the current; Matt Forte

Playing sh*tty veterans for no reason.

 

Doesn't matter the year, the coach, the GM - its the same damn thing, over and over and over and over and over again...

 

 

So why the **** are you still a fan then, old habits?

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35 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

Terry Bradway worked here for 14 years. Jeff Bauer for i think 12. To be fair, they both presumably were piping hot candidates for other nfl jobs, right? 

 If the Jets have shown anything, you don't need to be good at your job for 5 years plus. Source: Jets. 

Yeah. I've always thought the most likely scenario is that Bowles gets fired and we entrust Maccagnan's dumb ass with a a billion dollars of cap space, a top-three pick, and a head coaching hire, simply because it's the dumbest possible outcome.

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If this season goes as bad as it looks it will be there has to be a scapegoat which in my mind will be Bowles.  I think the way Macc has cleaned house he at least gets another year with his HC.   The only problem with that plan is what type of HC is going to want to work with a lame duck GM?  That's why IMO they either both go or both stay, learn from the Idzik/Rex debacle.  

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27 minutes ago, JiF said:

I'm loyal to a flaw.  But yeah, they're my childhood team.  My entire family follows them blindly.  I was going to Jets practices at Hofstra before I even know what Football was.  I'm not going to up and start rooting for another team because the Jets are a disaster of an organization.  I'm with them ride or die.  

Hopefully one day in my life they win a Super Bowl and the wait will make it all that much better.  Isn't that why we're all still fans of this sh*tty ass team?

 

This....   I am really down on the JETS right now but I won't root for any other team.   

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37 minutes ago, JiF said:

Everything about the New York Jets is history repeating itself and they never learn their lesson.  Doesn't matter the HC or GM, stupidity runs rampant throughout the organization.

Example of the Jets not learning from history:

Under qualified Defensive Coordinators becoming 1st time Head Coaches.  

Under qualified "Front office/personnel guys" becoming 1st time GM's.

Defense, defense, defense, defense in the 1st round.

sh*tty veteran QB, after sh*tty veteran QB "bridging the gap" to no one.  

Drafting players who excelled a certain position/play in college and asking them to do something else in the pro's.

Constantly ignoring the obvious measurements at the combine for pas rushers.

Bringing in old washed up veterans and relying heavily on them...see the current; Matt Forte

Playing sh*tty veterans for no reason.

 

Doesn't matter the year, the coach, the GM - its the same damn thing, over and over and over and over and over again...

 

 

100% accurate. Lol, our offensive game plan this week was have the washed up vet laser focus on the two veteran receiving targets on every play, and run the washed up running back over the better guys. Bowles......

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The vast majority of a fan base hating on a HC who can't win with what that same fan base considers the "Worst Roster in the league"  . The vast majority of this same fan base willing to give the GM of the worst roster in the league the benefit of the doubt over the hated HC if one of the 2 men are to be sacrificed  in a down year .

What this fan base fails to realize is that both men proved they can work together and win when they assembled a veteran team that won 10 games in their maiden season . That needed to be done to rove to the ownership that it could be done . Now, it's time to tear down the old, and build a new house . I wonder what Cowboys stadium looked like the 1st few months into construction . I wonder if it resembled anything like what the current stadium looks like today. 

For that matter, does anyone remember the team Jason Garrett inherited or who it was that was assembling that team .  How does that team compare to the team Garrett is coaching today ? I wonder if the GM and the HC fans were calling terrible and other adjectives is still running that team .

 

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6 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

The vast majority of a fan base hating on a HC who can't win with what that same fan base considers the "Worst Roster in the league"  . The vast majority of this same fan base willing to give the GM of the worst roster in the league the benefit of the doubt over the hated HC if one of the 2 men are to be sacrificed  in a down year .

What this fan base fails to realize is that both men proved they can work together and win when they assembled a veteran team that won 10 games in their maiden season . That needed to be done to rove to the ownership that it could be done . Now, it's time to tear down the old, and build a new house . I wonder what Cowboys stadium looked like the 1st few months into construction . I wonder if it resembled anything like what the current stadium looks like today. 

For that matter, does anyone remember the team Jason Garrett inherited or who it was that was assembling that team .  How does that team compare to the team Garrett is coaching today ? I wonder if the GM and the HC fans were calling terrible and other adjectives is still running that team .

 

You honestly believe that the 10 win season 2 years ago was by a well coached, intelligent and motivated team? Please. We had literally the EASIEST schedule in NFL history that year. That season was a total fluke winning despite the efforts of Bowles.

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1 hour ago, Pcola said:

$60M + about $17M in carry over + between $15M - $20M in cuts puts us between $95 and $100M in cap space as it is now.  

Problem is that I don't see any pending free agents that are a legitimate LT or pass rusher.  

Regardless of what Woody does, he better make damn sure that we get our QB next April.  Anyone recommending to do what Cleveland has done the past two seasons should be fired on the spot.

Cleveland has been tanking since it returned. You don't copy those bums. 

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1 hour ago, Jet9 said:

I actually disagree complete with this. 

Just because some fans are upset with him doesn't mean he hasn't already been given assurances behind closed doors that he's free to do what he thinks needs to be done to re-build this team.

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2 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Just because some fans are upset with him doesn't mean he hasn't already been given assurances behind closed doors that he's free to do what he thinks needs to be done to re-build this team.

Just because a coach has been given assurances (behind closed doors or otherwise) that he's free to do what he thinks needs to be done to re-build a teams doesn't mean he isn't going to be fired in the off-season.

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1 minute ago, johnnysd said:

You honestly believe that the 10 win season 2 years ago was by a well coached, intelligent and motivated team? Please. We had literally the EASIEST schedule in NFL history that year. That season was a total fluke winning despite the efforts of Bowles.

I don't believe anything, I just watch the games and when the game is over, I watch the next game . I may fall asleep during the next game, but then that's just me . I try not to think that I'm smarter than the next guy especially when I really don't know much about him .  

Do you know why accidents happen on roadways .

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Just now, #27TheDominator said:

Just because a coach has been given assurances (behind closed doors or otherwise) that he's free to do what he thinks needs to be done to re-build a teams doesn't mean he isn't going to be fired in the off-season.

Entirely possible, but to say he's assuredly on thin ice is a bit silly IMO.  It's 100% speculation/wishful thinking.

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1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said:

After the two years of John Idzik's tenure, h cleared out a LOT of cap space, but as we all know, drafted poorly.

Whether you agree or not, Mike Maccagnan is on thin ice.  He too this year cleared a LOT of cap space and jettisoned many veteran contracts.

Will history repeat itself?  Another GM coming in who will get a clean slate?  If the cap goes up even slightly to $170 million next year, the Jets will have roughly $60+ million as of now, with another $20 million in contracts that can be cut.  That, along with what is likely a top 3 pick in all the rounds, you have to wonder: IF Woody wants to clean slate (again), would $60-80 million dollars in cap space at top picks in each round of the draft be enough to persuade a solid veteran GM to move to the Big Apple?

 

The Jets are going to have over 90mm I believe with minimal cutting.

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