Maxman Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 New York Jets Chairman & CEO Christopher Johnson, 9.20 On how often he is in contact with Woody regarding the team… Not at all. I’m in touch with him constantly, but none of it is about football - other than he said he heard from somebody that I was doing a good job. On how he has been adjusting to his new role… It’s interesting going from being in the background here, where I’ve been involved fairly deeply since the beginning. Now, I’ve come to the fore. I think the biggest adjustment is actually dealing with the public aspect of the game, but I’ve gotten more involved with everybody in this building – from the business side to the coaches to especially, the players. It’s been great. I’ve loved every minute of it. On the dynamic with him and Woody regarding an important football decision… Over the years, he always bounced things off of me and it would be great if I could do that with him, but he really has a full time job over there. We are not discussing football. He’s out of it. On why Woody will not be involved… He said I’m stepping away from football. That (ambassador) is his full time job. It’s a huge job. On the fan’s perception of the organization and what he believes is fair and unfair about that perception… One of my roles here is to get into the fan base a little bit more. That’s definitely one of my priorities this year, starting now, especially with this first home game. I can’t say what that perception is exactly. I hope it is that this is a team on the rise. There are some growing pains right now, no question, but we have a plan and I’m going to do everything I can to support the people in this building – in particular, Neil (Glat) and Mike (Maccagnan) and Todd (Bowles). I’ve been a fan since I was a little kid. I bleed green like they do. I’m hoping that they appreciate what we’re doing to get back to greatness. On if it will be entirely his decision to evaluate Bowles and Maccagnan… Woody isn’t involved in that at all. On his role with the organization for the past 16 years… I’ve been very much in the background, but I’ve been part of almost all of the major decisions. I’ve been in the room for pretty much all of the big changes and, even when I wasn’t, Woody was calling me up to ask me what I thought of things. To tell you the truth, that has made this transition a little bit easier because it’s not like I’m a neophyte in this building. There is still a lot for me to learn. I’m still working through my own progression here, but I think things are going pretty well. On how often he speaks with Maccagnan and Bowles… I speak with Mike almost daily. I speak with Todd a little bit less often. He’s a man of few words, you might have noticed that, (joking) so we get a lot said in a few conversations a week. On the challenge of evaluating a head coach with a young roster… My brother said early in the spring to not judge the team on wins and losses, but it’s progression and I agree with that. I think it’s going to be obvious to all if this team is progressing. There are so many young guys who, just because they aren’t bold-faced names, doesn’t mean they aren’t really talented. I think that we have a group of coaches, including Todd, who are really good at building those players up and teaching the roles these young players have to fill. I think you’re going to see a lot of progression, but it’s going to be obvious. You guys will probably let me know, but I think it will be obvious to all. On the narrative that the 2017 Jets are tanking to get a quarterback in 2018… It couldn’t be further from the truth. I want to win every game. Every player in that locker room wants to win and what you’re seeing I think are growing pains. These are young guys. There are some older guys on the team. Some of them, they’re doing an extraordinary job, but I think you’re going to see this team get better and better and better. That’s what I am looking for and we are definitely not tanking. On Maccagnan and Bowles… Let’s start with Mike. I think he’s proven over the years before he got here, that he is an extraordinary talent evaluator and I’ve seen nothing to dissuade me from that here. I think he’s very thoughtful, he’s very methodical and I’m really impressed with his drafts and his outlook. With Todd, much the same. I’ve been around a lot of coaches at this point. He has a connection with the players that maybe does not show up with you guys, but I’m in the locker room, I’m at the practices, I see him working with these young men and I think he strikes the right balance of really everything. I’m really impressed with him. On Maccagnan picking a quarterback in the second round last year who is now third on the depth chart… First of all, the quarterback position is really difficult to evaluate and we haven’t really seen where Christian (Hackenberg) might go. I’m really more about looking forward than looking back. Everybody is going to look back and find places where things have gone wrong. I don’t think that you can say that about Christian. I think that he has a lot of upside and I hope to see it. On whether there is any concern about fan apathy… I hope that the fans will buy into our plan and I’m looking forward to seeing growth. I’m extraordinarily excited about seeing the development of our young players, especially. I think that they’re going to see this team grow before their eyes. I think that that’s exciting. I can’t say whether they’re going to stay home, but I hope they don’t. I think it’s going to be an exciting season. I can’t wait for this first home game. On his thoughts about the Jets run defense thus far… A lot of mistakes. A lot of mistakes were made, but mistakes you can fix. That’s one thing I’m really looking forward to seeing fixed. On if he can guarantee that some players will fix their mistakes… Unlike (Joe) Namath, I’m not in the guaranteeing business, but I think you can count on things getting better there. On the current direction of the Jets and if it will require patience from him… I’m not a patient man. I’m like any fan – I’ve been a fan of this team all my life. Yes, you can look long term, but I want to see this team progressing every game. I’m not happy with losses, I’m not happy with mistakes, but I’m excited about the progression. On his biggest challenge in his current role with the Jets… What I really want to see happen is for us to go to the Super Bowl. I promised my brother I’d leave him two tickets at will call (laughter), because every little brother wants to show up his bigger brother. The biggest challenge is to earn the trust of the fans, to have them know that I care about this team deeply and I’m going to do everything I can to make it a great team again. On whether the general manager and head coach will continue to report directly to him… Nothing has changed from my brother’s approach to mine. On why the team waited until Maccagnan and Bowles’ third year to re-tool and get younger… That’s a good question. It’s hard to look back. Sometimes you can look back and things look really clear, but a couple of years ago we had a pretty good run there. It seemed like we had unlocked some of the keys to moving forward. What our plan is now, I think is a good one, and I think it’s the way to bring us forward. I just can’t look back and criticize that too heavily. On when he believes the Jets should be a playoff team… I have no date in mind. I can’t speculate on that. On the Jets loss versus the Raiders… It was lopsided in the end, but I think that there were some great things in that game. Like I said, I look for progression in all aspects of play on the field, and I think that our offense – you guys might not have been impressed – but I thought that some great things happened in our offensive play. There were a handful of things that were great on defense – Jamal Adams’ tackle of (Marshawn) Lynch, that goal line tackle was one of the great plays I can ever recall. I want to see more of that. I want to see a lot more of that, but I hate losses as much as anybody else does. On if he will judge Bowles on wins and losses this season… No. Believe me, like any fan I like wins a lot more than losses, but that’s only part of the equation. The real way to judge this team and the people on it, me included, are we getting better? On if he could foresee a situation where the team loses a lot of games and Bowles retains his job… It’s not going to come down to games. It really won’t. It’s more about the play on the field. Are we getting better? Believe me, losses hurt deeply. I like wins a lot more, but it’s not going to be the sole or even a really important way for me to judge Todd or Mike. On if he will evaluate Bowles and Maccagnan similar to how the Jets will evaluate players at the end of the season… I’ll evaluate everyone, including myself, but it’s not going to depend on wins and losses in my mind. On if players need to be replaced when they are not performing well or if they should stay on the field and grow on the job if they are younger players… That’s going to be up to the Coach. That’s really going to be up to the Coach and Mike. I’m not yet Jerry Jones (laughter). On why Woody accepted the ambassadorship to the U.K. and stepped away from the Jets… I think you know that my brother has tried to serve his community over the years. That’s been a big part of his life is raising money for medical research and working on his community. This is his chance to serve the country, which he cares for very deeply, and he has an extraordinary job. I’m really, immensely proud of my brother. The U.K. is our most important ally, and this is probably the most interesting time in the U.K. – U.S. relationship since World War II, so it’s an immense job. I couldn’t be more proud of him and it doesn’t surprise me in the least that he would say to me it’s your team, don’t mess it up. On if that is what Woody said to him… Yes, he did (laughter). On if has any indication of how long he will serve as Chairman and CEO… When (Woody) comes back, he’ll take over again, and I’m not entirely sure about how long that is. So I’m going to make the most of it while I’m here. On NFL owners he has spoken to for advice… I’ve been talking with owners and soliciting their advice for the last several months, but I don’t think I’ll go into exactly who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I like him better than Woody already. He can't be any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetNation Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Christopher Johnson has taken over control of the NY Jets while Woody serves as Ambassador to the U.K. Christopher spoke to the media on Tuesday. The full transcript appears below, here are some highlights. Woody Johnson is completely out of day-to-day football operations. Christopher Johnson says he doesn’t even discuss football with his brother Woody. Christopher says he has always been in the background and in important meetings, so that has helped the transition. The decision to keep Bowles and Macc or let them go won’t come down to wins and losses. On how often he is in contact with Woody regarding the team… Not at all. I’m in touch with him constantly, but none of it is about football – other than he said he heard from somebody that I was doing a good job. On how he has been adjusting to his new role… It’s interesting going from being in the background here, where I’ve been involved fairly deeply since the beginning. Now, I’ve come to the fore. I think the biggest adjustment is actually dealing with the public aspect of the game, but I’ve gotten more involved with everybody in this building – from the business side to the coaches to especially, the players. It’s been great. I’ve loved every minute of it. On the dynamic with him and Woody regarding an important football decision… Over the years, he always bounced things off of me and it would be great if I could do that with him, but he really has a full time job over there. We are not discussing football. He’s out of it. On why Woody will not be involved… He said I’m stepping away from football. That (ambassador) is his full time job. It’s a huge job. On the fan’s perception of the organization and what he believes is fair and unfair about that perception… One of my roles here is to get into the fan base a little bit more. That’s definitely one of my priorities this year, starting now, especially with this first home game. I can’t say what that perception is exactly. I hope it is that this is a team on the rise. There are some growing pains right now, no question, but we have a plan and I’m going to do everything I can to support the people in this building – in particular, Neil (Glat) and Mike (Maccagnan) and Todd (Bowles). I’ve been a fan since I was a little kid. I bleed green like they do. I’m hoping that they appreciate what we’re doing to get back to greatness. On if it will be entirely his decision to evaluate Bowles and Maccagnan… Woody isn’t involved in that at all. On his role with the organization for the past 16 years… I’ve been very much in the background, but I’ve been part of almost all of the major decisions. I’ve been in the room for pretty much all of the big changes and, even when I wasn’t, Woody was calling me up to ask me what I thought of things. To tell you the truth, that has made this transition a little bit easier because it’s not like I’m a neophyte in this building. There is still a lot for me to learn. I’m still working through my own progression here, but I think things are going pretty well. On how often he speaks with Maccagnan and Bowles… I speak with Mike almost daily. I speak with Todd a little bit less often. He’s a man of few words, you might have noticed that, (joking) so we get a lot said in a few conversations a week. On the challenge of evaluating a head coach with a young roster… My brother said early in the spring to not judge the team on wins and losses, but it’s progression and I agree with that. I think it’s going to be obvious to all if this team is progressing. There are so many young guys who, just because they aren’t bold-faced names, doesn’t mean they aren’t really talented. I think that we have a group of coaches, including Todd, who are really good at building those players up and teaching the roles these young players have to fill. I think you’re going to see a lot of progression, but it’s going to be obvious. You guys will probably let me know, but I think it will be obvious to all. On the narrative that the 2017 Jets are tanking to get a quarterback in 2018… It couldn’t be further from the truth. I want to win every game. Every player in that locker room wants to win and what you’re seeing I think are growing pains. These are young guys. There are some older guys on the team. Some of them, they’re doing an extraordinary job, but I think you’re going to see this team get better and better and better. That’s what I am looking for and we are definitely not tanking. On Maccagnan and Bowles… Let’s start with Mike. I think he’s proven over the years before he got here, that he is an extraordinary talent evaluator and I’ve seen nothing to dissuade me from that here. I think he’s very thoughtful, he’s very methodical and I’m really impressed with his drafts and his outlook. With Todd, much the same. I’ve been around a lot of coaches at this point. He has a connection with the players that maybe does not show up with you guys, but I’m in the locker room, I’m at the practices, I see him working with these young men and I think he strikes the right balance of really everything. I’m really impressed with him. On Maccagnan picking a quarterback in the second round last year who is now third on the depth chart… First of all, the quarterback position is really difficult to evaluate and we haven’t really seen where Christian (Hackenberg) might go. I’m really more about looking forward than looking back. Everybody is going to look back and find places where things have gone wrong. I don’t think that you can say that about Christian. I think that he has a lot of upside and I hope to see it. On whether there is any concern about fan apathy… I hope that the fans will buy into our plan and I’m looking forward to seeing growth. I’m extraordinarily excited about seeing the development of our young players, especially. I think that they’re going to see this team grow before their eyes. I think that that’s exciting. I can’t say whether they’re going to stay home, but I hope they don’t. I think it’s going to be an exciting season. I can’t wait for this first home game. On his thoughts about the Jets run defense thus far… A lot of mistakes. A lot of mistakes were made, but mistakes you can fix. That’s one thing I’m really looking forward to seeing fixed. On if he can guarantee that some players will fix their mistakes… Unlike (Joe) Namath, I’m not in the guaranteeing business, but I think you can count on things getting better there. On the current direction of the Jets and if it will require patience from him… I’m not a patient man. I’m like any fan – I’ve been a fan of this team all my life. Yes, you can look long term, but I want to see this team progressing every game. I’m not happy with losses, I’m not happy with mistakes, but I’m excited about the progression. On his biggest challenge in his current role with the Jets… What I really want to see happen is for us to go to the Super Bowl. I promised my brother I’d leave him two tickets at will call (laughter), because every little brother wants to show up his bigger brother. The biggest challenge is to earn the trust of the fans, to have them know that I care about this team deeply and I’m going to do everything I can to make it a great team again. On whether the general manager and head coach will continue to report directly to him… Nothing has changed from my brother’s approach to mine. On why the team waited until Maccagnan and Bowles’ third year to re-tool and get younger… That’s a good question. It’s hard to look back. Sometimes you can look back and things look really clear, but a couple of years ago we had a pretty good run there. It seemed like we had unlocked some of the keys to moving forward. What our plan is now, I think is a good one, and I think it’s the way to bring us forward. I just can’t look back and criticize that too heavily. On when he believes the Jets should be a playoff team… I have no date in mind. I can’t speculate on that. On the Jets loss versus the Raiders… It was lopsided in the end, but I think that there were some great things in that game. Like I said, I look for progression in all aspects of play on the field, and I think that our offense – you guys might not have been impressed – but I thought that some great things happened in our offensive play. There were a handful of things that were great on defense – Jamal Adams’ tackle of (Marshawn) Lynch, that goal line tackle was one of the great plays I can ever recall. I want to see more of that. I want to see a lot more of that, but I hate losses as much as anybody else does. On if he will judge Bowles on wins and losses this season… No. Believe me, like any fan I like wins a lot more than losses, but that’s only part of the equation. The real way to judge this team and the people on it, me included, are we getting better? On if he could foresee a situation where the team loses a lot of games and Bowles retains his job… It’s not going to come down to games. It really won’t. It’s more about the play on the field. Are we getting better? Believe me, losses hurt deeply. I like wins a lot more, but it’s not going to be the sole or even a really important way for me to judge Todd or Mike. On if he will evaluate Bowles and Maccagnan similar to how the Jets will evaluate players at the end of the season… I’ll evaluate everyone, including myself, but it’s not going to depend on wins and losses in my mind. On if players need to be replaced when they are not performing well or if they should stay on the field and grow on the job if they are younger players… That’s going to be up to the Coach. That’s really going to be up to the Coach and Mike. I’m not yet Jerry Jones (laughter). On why Woody accepted the ambassadorship to the U.K. and stepped away from the Jets… I think you know that my brother has tried to serve his community over the years. That’s been a big part of his life is raising money for medical research and working on his community. This is his chance to serve the country, which he cares for very deeply, and he has an extraordinary job. I’m really, immensely proud of my brother. The U.K. is our most important ally, and this is probably the most interesting time in the U.K. – U.S. relationship since World War II, so it’s an immense job. I couldn’t be more proud of him and it doesn’t surprise me in the least that he would say to me it’s your team, don’t mess it up. On if that is what Woody said to him… Yes, he did (laughter). On if has any indication of how long he will serve as Chairman and CEO… When (Woody) comes back, he’ll take over again, and I’m not entirely sure about how long that is. So I’m going to make the most of it while I’m here. On NFL owners he has spoken to for advice… I’ve been talking with owners and soliciting their advice for the last several months, but I don’t think I’ll go into exactly who. Click here to read the full story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 So the Tanks on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 This is the equivalent of the cruise ship captain turning over the helm to his brother who has NEVER driven a ship. After the passengers bought lifetime seat licenses. Nepotism at its finest. This move alone tells you EVERYTHING about Woody. Frankly, im surprised he didnt turn the team over to his wife. As a CPA with experience with many fortune 500 companies, I can tell you they go out and recruit the best. They dont bring in the brother of the former executive. The JETS suck and this is absolutely why. WOODY... FUKK YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Maxman said: I speak with Todd a little bit less often. He’s a man of few words, Maybe he only knows a few words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 And a man of few brain cells too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Fans need to put the pressure on this guy. Bill boards, signs at games, paper bags, we can turn this into a sh*t show that he won’t be able to handle. macc and toilet bowl NEED TO GO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Maxman said: On his role with the organization for the past 16 years… I’ve been very much in the background, but I’ve been part of almost all of the major decisions. Oh, good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 He either lied or didn't know the answer to a single question he was asked. I'm not sure what's worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 It would be tragic if this guy takes over and ruins everything Woody has accomplished in the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I actually like what I'm hearing from him. He's going to rate this crew on progress! Bowles is under the gun. So far his run defense has been atrocious & he's put Lee & Davis in positions to be targeted by opposing offenses & the Jets defense is losing. Bowles better fix it is what I'm hearing. I think Chris made great points regarding young players & the patience it takes to let young players grow & fail so you can find out who needs to be upgraded. But Bowles can't go through this entire season going backwards or having his team continue to make the same mistakes like giving up 180 yards on the ground a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 CJ sounds sane and balanced soooooo it is my bet that in another week before folks out here attack him unrelentingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I'm a little tired of the notion that Woody and his brother Chris are some dimwitted cartoon characters, and I'm unclear why any rational thinking adult would hold that view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Clouds Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: CJ sounds sane and balanced soooooo it is my bet that is another week before folks out here attack him unmericiously. ? Do you really think it's going to take a whole week? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said: Maybe he only knows a few words. I get the feeling that if Bowles ever let his guard down he would burst into uncontrollable tears in the fetal position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 3 hours ago, BurnleyJet said: So the Tanks on.. 2 hours ago, southparkcpa said: This is the equivalent of the cruise ship captain turning over the helm to his brother who has NEVER driven a ship. After the passengers bought lifetime seat licenses. Nepotism at its finest. This move alone tells you EVERYTHING about Woody. Frankly, im surprised he didnt turn the team over to his wife. As a CPA with experience with many fortune 500 companies, I can tell you they go out and recruit the best. They dont bring in the brother of the former executive. The JETS suck and this is absolutely why. WOODY... FUKK YOU. I tend to agree with this sentiment and I actually did mention it in another thread. I know nothing about the guy so I am willing to give him a chance but with Woody off to England this really would've been the perfect opportunity to bring in a real football veteran presence to come in and evaluate Macc and Bowles. I know the Jags aren't a model organization at all but look at what they did bringing in Tom Coughlin and putting him in that EVP/President of Football Ops role that's exactly what the Jets needed to do. Even if it's only a short term assignment but just someone with football knowledge to really come in and run the show and evaluate this current regime. They could've sold it as Woody's brother will be running the day to day business side while another hire/consultant was being brought in to run the personal/football side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 48 minutes ago, Kleckineau said: It would be tragic if this guy takes over and ruins everything Woody has accomplished in the last 20 years. Is my sarcasm meter in need of an oil change ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I don't know what the **** HC and GM he's been watching.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20andOut Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 3 hours ago, southparkcpa said: This is the equivalent of the cruise ship captain turning over the helm to his brother who has NEVER driven a ship. After the passengers bought lifetime seat licenses. Nepotism at its finest. This move alone tells you EVERYTHING about Woody. Frankly, im surprised he didnt turn the team over to his wife. As a CPA with experience with many fortune 500 companies, I can tell you they go out and recruit the best. They dont bring in the brother of the former executive Yeah, Fortune 500 companies bring in experts like Korn-Ferry that bring in top candidates like John Idzik! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 3 hours ago, 20andOut said: Yeah, Fortune 500 companies bring in experts like Korn-Ferry that bring in top candidates like John Idzik! Exactly,lol. Then for icing on the cake they consult with guys like Casserly & the ex-Greenbay dude & we end up with Bowles. Bowles better get this f*cking defense fixed because there is NOBODY that can convince me that Bowles has no influence with Macc about the type of defenders he wants. These guys are on equal footing so I'm sure Macc asked Bowles opinions. Moves like signing Cro, Skrine, McClendon, drafting Lee & 2 safeties, all Bowles opinions I believe. Now Bowles may have wanted to keep Richardson, understandable but I think Woody/Chris Johnson said NO F*CKING WAY am I giving that idiot a crazy large contract! Macc did awesome getting a #2 & Kearse. Every Jet fan should be hoping for a slightly twisted ankle for Wilson & a bunch of losses for that Seattle team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Quote On why the team waited until Maccagnan and Bowles’ third year to re-tool and get younger… That’s a good question. It’s hard to look back. Sometimes you can look back and things look really clear, but a couple of years ago we had a pretty good run there. It seemed like we had unlocked some of the keys to moving forward. What our plan is now, I think is a good one, and I think it’s the way to bring us forward. I just can’t look back and criticize that too heavily. This is as good of an admission as we'll ever get that after the 2015 season the decision was made at the top to try to extend that success in 2016. It raises a lot of questions about the personnel decisions last year by both GM and HC last year. Picking Hack makes a little more sense if the team made the decision to commit to Fitz because there would be some time to take a chance on a project as a long term solution and also why we overpaid for Fitz at the end of training camp. I don't want to hold Macc blameless for bad decisions in 2016 but he's certainly less blameworthy if dictated to continue work on the 2015 roster versus given the chance to straight rebuild the team as appears to be the case this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 15 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said: I'm a little tired of the notion that Woody and his brother Chris are some dimwitted cartoon characters, and I'm unclear why any rational thinking adult would hold that view. I agree. I get really upset when people say and think that about Christopher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 22 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said: I get the feeling that if Bowles ever let his guard down he would burst into uncontrollable tears in the fetal position. yep. bowles seems pretty low key. i'm sure as fans we'd feel better if he took the wood to guys like wilk and mcclendon. parcells would be making comments about wilk's high salary and how he doesn't belong in canton yet. it makes great copy. but at the same timefrom the team's aspect sometimes it's better for the coach to be low key. we don't need a madman on the sidelines during the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 22 hours ago, drsamuel84 said: I tend to agree with this sentiment and I actually did mention it in another thread. I know nothing about the guy so I am willing to give him a chance but with Woody off to England this really would've been the perfect opportunity to bring in a real football veteran presence to come in and evaluate Macc and Bowles. I know the Jags aren't a model organization at all but look at what they did bringing in Tom Coughlin and putting him in that EVP/President of Football Ops role that's exactly what the Jets needed to do. Even if it's only a short term assignment but just someone with football knowledge to really come in and run the show and evaluate this current regime. They could've sold it as Woody's brother will be running the day to day business side while another hire/consultant was being brought in to run the personal/football side. In one place I saw Chris mention how he was involved in the decision to trade Richardson, which presumably means that Woody was involved in other similar decisions. I just don't see the value that these guys add to these decisions-a Coughlin type would be so much better. I don't know whether they are control freaks, or cheap. Probably both. My guess is that they were also turned off in the end by the Parcells experience, which is ironic, because started the team in a 10 run of unprecedented success, sub-Super Bowl. 17 hours ago, rex-n-effect said: This is as good of an admission as we'll ever get that after the 2015 season the decision was made at the top to try to extend that success in 2016. It raises a lot of questions about the personnel decisions last year by both GM and HC last year. Picking Hack makes a little more sense if the team made the decision to commit to Fitz because there would be some time to take a chance on a project as a long term solution and also why we overpaid for Fitz at the end of training camp. I don't want to hold Macc blameless for bad decisions in 2016 but he's certainly less blameworthy if dictated to continue work on the 2015 roster versus given the chance to straight rebuild the team as appears to be the case this year. This makes complete sense, but Mac and Bowles plan would have gotten the a QB that could start next year-which required picking the right player and coaching him. Hack is not looking like the right player, but he has a bit more time. Allowing Hack not to be coached last year on a coach basically on his last year also did not make sense. The WCO is also necessarily the best system for Hack-I see him more in a NEP like system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 18 hours ago, rex-n-effect said: This is as good of an admission as we'll ever get that after the 2015 season the decision was made at the top to try to extend that success in 2016. It raises a lot of questions about the personnel decisions last year by both GM and HC last year. Picking Hack makes a little more sense if the team made the decision to commit to Fitz because there would be some time to take a chance on a project as a long term solution and also why we overpaid for Fitz at the end of training camp. I don't want to hold Macc blameless for bad decisions in 2016 but he's certainly less blameworthy if dictated to continue work on the 2015 roster versus given the chance to straight rebuild the team as appears to be the case this year. There is no such admission here, nor any hint of any such admission. You're inserting words you want to be there. He picked Hack because he built him up into his head as something that the kid is not. Then after idealizing him in this way - has he and others have done before with other players, and surely will again - he panicked when O'Brien's Texans jumped over us to #50 (to take a center, mind you). He thought they wanted Hackenberg that early, which then lead him to believe rumors that others wanted Hackenberg that early, even though of course Houston leapfrogged us for a center, not for Hackenberg. Just like he got spooked into Forte because he had an interview scheduled with the Patriots coming up (which itself doesn't automatically mean NE would have signed him). In our GM's mind he built Hackenberg - and Fitzpatrick - up into something that wasn't there. You're doing it here. All he said was it's easy to look back and judge [Maccagnan] harshly in hindsight; he didn't say, "We above Maccagnan's pay grade wanted to re-sign Fitz and then sign Ivory, but Maccagnan was the level-headed one in the room and we didn't listen, so it's like totally our fault not his." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, varjet said: In one place I saw Chris mention how he was involved in the decision to trade Richardson, which presumably means that Woody was involved in other similar decisions. I just don't see the value that these guys add to these decisions-a Coughlin type would be so much better. I don't know whether they are control freaks, or cheap. Probably both. My guess is that they were also turned off in the end by the Parcells experience, which is ironic, because started the team in a 10 run of unprecedented success, sub-Super Bowl. This makes complete sense, but Mac and Bowles plan would have gotten the a QB that could start next year-which required picking the right player and coaching him. Hack is not looking like the right player, but he has a bit more time. Allowing Hack not to be coached last year on a coach basically on his last year also did not make sense. The WCO is also necessarily the best system for Hack-I see him more in a NEP like system. If you are in the room when an offer was presented, and you agreed with others in the decision to take that offer when your opinion was asked, that doesn't therefore mean you were the one orchestrating all decisions on all things before that, nor that your approval was needed before doing so. It fits that in this instance a GM - right before a failure season begins; well before the newspaper articles in Dec-Jan that say he needs to go - would seek approval from his superior(s) before making (or before turning down) such a move. He understandably wants to avoid Woody (or now Chris) getting on the podium after firing a GM, and smugly saying to reporters, "Well if I'd known [...] I never would have agreed to [...]" like he did with Idzik re: Revis. He's shielding himself. Probably right to do it, I might add, but that doesn't therefore mean the ideas are not his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 This is the equivalent of the cruise ship captain turning over the helm to his brother who has NEVER driven a ship. After the passengers bought lifetime seat licenses. Nepotism at its finest. This move alone tells you EVERYTHING about Woody. Frankly, im surprised he didnt turn the team over to his wife. As a CPA with experience with many fortune 500 companies, I can tell you they go out and recruit the best. They dont bring in the brother of the former executive. The JETS suck and this is absolutely why. WOODY... FUKK YOU. I can't speak to your individual experience, but I work in account management in a National Account environment dealing with officers of some of the nations most recognizable companies across multiple industries. One thing I can assure you is nepotism and partiality amongst friends run rampant throughout, with very little concern for qualification. Generally speaking it's the worker bees and partners/brokers/consultants making the decisions. Woody handing it over to his brother is exactly what I'd expect. If it didn't go down that way I'd be shocked and assume his brother just didn't want it. The problem is our "partners/brokers/consultants" that advise on football decisions have not been very good. Very few owners are truly versed on the football operations. They are businessmen, and on the business end the Jets are doing very well, which is why Neil Glat has been around so long. We don't have a solid football mind sitting between ownership and the team leadership positions (GM and HC). Our advisors make recommendations on who to hire, right or wrong, but then there is no football savvy leadership consulting on how to manage them ongoing. The concept of the HC and GM reporting directly to ownership is terrible when the owner is not a football savvy mind. Bowles and Macc's visions do not line up. Not because of philosophical differences necessarily, but because each of their perspective goals do not align. Macc's job is to build a franchise through youth that has long term success. Bowles job is a week to week functionality, winning the game that's before him. Those goals can conflict greatly when it comes to developing youth, i.e. Why we're seeing McCown playing. So when the question is posed as to why Hack or Petty have not improved, Macc's answer is they are not getting the reps to develop. When Bowles is asked why they aren't getting the reps, it's because he needs to put players on the field that give the best chance to win next weekend. The model should be either the coach and GM report to a solid football minded leadership that can provide directive in times of conflicting goals, or have a hierarchy where the coach then reports to the GM. In no way shape or form should a 1st time HC be on the same level as the GM.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 4 hours ago, rangerous said: yep. bowles seems pretty low key. i'm sure as fans we'd feel better if he took the wood to guys like wilk and mcclendon. parcells would be making comments about wilk's high salary and how he doesn't belong in canton yet. it makes great copy. but at the same timefrom the team's aspect sometimes it's better for the coach to be low key. we don't need a madman on the sidelines during the games. Think we might want a happy medium? Somewhere between madman and comatose man. Could he uncross his arms. Could he talk to someone, anyone on the sidelines or is it important he stare blankly? Could he at least show a frowney face when a punt gets muffed? Could he pat some guy on the back when they make a good play? Really what I want is for him to show a little urgency. The entire team plays just the way he looks. With absolutely no emotion or urgency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said: Think we might want a happy medium? Somewhere between madman and comatose man. Could he uncross his arms. Could he talk to someone, anyone on the sidelines or is it important he stare blankly? Could he at least show a frowney face when a punt gets muffed? Could he pat some guy on the back when they make a good play? Really what I want is for him to show a little urgency. The entire team plays just the way he looks. With absolutely no emotion or urgency. i get that. i'd like to see this team play with urgency but they had problems with their 2 minute drill when rex was coach too. once they finally get a qb who can lead they'll start moving faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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