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4 hours ago, Philc1 said:

I would love to see Randolph win a World Series as Yankees manager just to drive you and other Mess fans insane

If you think that would drive us insane you know nothing about Mets fans. Pretty sure we'd all just roll our eyes and say of course that would happen.

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On 10/27/2017 at 6:22 PM, Scott Dierking said:

So you are one of those Yankee fans that rather than getting the most satisfaction out of seeing your own team win, you would rather see other fans supposedly suffer from that . Thanks for confirming some of my thoughts of why some Yankee fans bandwagon on the bus.

You won't have the opportunity if Randolph comes on. Even though I believe that is a remote possibility. He is thin-skinned and cannot handle the NY media, nor take the heat away from his players. He deflects.

Someone will be walking into a nice situation, I will be surprised if it is Randolph.

Hey man just cuz you guys threw Randolph under the bus and blamed him for that epic 2007 chokefest when it was really has-been Glavine and the rest of the team who robbed you

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Good luck moving Ellsbury and his contract the Yankees will be paying a nice big chunk of that.  I’d rather he and Gardner share left field and those two share DH with Sanchez

 

i know Gardner had a great year but he’s getting up there in age and has miserable second halves of seasons in the past because of overuse

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On 11/15/2017 at 10:11 AM, SMC said:

They finally need to move Ellsbury.

In the Manager horse race, I'm rooting for Bam Bam Hensley Meulens.

Meulens would be a fun guy to root for.

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2 hours ago, Maxman said:

Meulens would be a fun guy to root for.

Absolutely, and he knows 5 languages including Japanese!  He'd be the only manager who could talk to all his players without a translator. 

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On 10/27/2017 at 6:22 PM, Scott Dierking said:

So you are one of those Yankee fans that rather than getting the most satisfaction out of seeing your own team win, you would rather see other fans supposedly suffer from that . Thanks for confirming some of my thoughts of why some Yankee fans bandwagon on the bus.

You won't have the opportunity if Randolph comes on. Even though I believe that is a remote possibility. He is thin-skinned and cannot handle the NY media, nor take the heat away from his players. He deflects.

Someone will be walking into a nice situation, I will be surprised if it is Randolph.

I don't think this is fair.  I am as much of a hater as the next guy (more Red Sox than Mets) but I am certainly no bandwagon fan.  Among others, I have seen John Candelaria, Larry Gura, Pat Dobson, Sidney Ponson and Chris Capuano pitch at the stadium.  Hating and finding satisfaction in the failure of others can be a very committed way of life, it has nothing to do with being on a bandwagon.

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1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

I don't think this is fair.  I am as much of a hater as the next guy (more Red Sox than Mets) but I am certainly no bandwagon fan.  Among others, I have seen John Candelaria, Larry Gura, Pat Dobson, Sidney Ponson and Chris Capuano pitch at the stadium.  Hating and finding satisfaction in the failure of others can be a very committed way of life, it has nothing to do with being on a bandwagon.

I was not talking to you. I have a good feel of your allegiance.

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15 hours ago, SMC said:

Absolutely, and he knows 5 languages including Japanese!  He'd be the only manager who could talk to all his players without a translator. 

This is ‘Murica dude we only speak English

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16 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

I don't think this is fair.  I am as much of a hater as the next guy (more Red Sox than Mets) but I am certainly no bandwagon fan.  Among others, I have seen John Candelaria, Larry Gura, Pat Dobson, Sidney Ponson and Chris Capuano pitch at the stadium.  Hating and finding satisfaction in the failure of others can be a very committed way of life, it has nothing to do with being on a bandwagon.

I saw Andy Hawkins pitch a 10 inning shutout only to lose in the 11th!.   (Game after he lost a no hitter).

Best part, it was double header, and next game they score a couple in the 1st.

Edit, I looked it up.   He went 11 and 2/3 and lost to the Twins

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA199007061.shtml

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1 minute ago, chirorob said:

I saw Andy Hawkins pitch a 10 inning shutout only to lose in the 11th!.   (Game after he lost a no hitter).

Best part, it was double header, and next game they score a couple in the 1st.

Edit, I looked it up.   He went 11 and 2/3 and lost to the Twins

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA199007061.shtml

I watched those games on TV!  

What I remember about that era was something Bernie Williams later said. He rarely said anything bad about people, but that Barfield and Hall were horrible and hazed him.  He said they were constantly telling him what to do and that he didn't start playing well until he realized that those guys never won anything and he didn't have to listen to them.  He basically said they were dicks that didn't put winning first and it was easier/better once they were gone.  I remember people acting like Bernie was soft when he came up and I guess those guys bullying him was why. 

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2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I watched those games on TV!  

What I remember about that era was something Bernie Williams later said. He rarely said anything bad about people, but that Barfield and Hall were horrible and hazed him.  He said they were constantly telling him what to do and that he didn't start playing well until he realized that those guys never won anything and he didn't have to listen to them.  He basically said they were dicks that didn't put winning first and it was easier/better once they were gone.  I remember people acting like Bernie was soft when he came up and I guess those guys bullying him was why. 

Hall and the immortal Alvaro Espinoza!!  Yes, I've heard that as well, they were both just terrible people.

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12 minutes ago, chirorob said:

I saw Andy Hawkins pitch a 10 inning shutout only to lose in the 11th!.   (Game after he lost a no hitter).

Best part, it was double header, and next game they score a couple in the 1st.

Edit, I looked it up.   He went 11 and 2/3 and lost to the Twins

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA199007061.shtml

Holy crap, Hawkins threw 145 pitches that game.

I missed much of that era by being in the service. Wearing my Yankee hat around people knew I was from NY because the team sucked and no one outside NY would wear it.

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1 hour ago, SMC said:

Holy crap, Hawkins threw 145 pitches that game.

I missed much of that era by being in the service. Wearing my Yankee hat around people knew I was from NY because the team sucked and no one outside NY would wear it.

Really, 145 for 12 innings isn't even that bad.

What's funny is after a CG No hitter and an 11 inning shutout his ERA was still over 5.

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6 hours ago, chirorob said:

Really, 145 for 12 innings isn't even that bad.

What's funny is after a CG No hitter and an 11 inning shutout his ERA was still over 5.

It's doubly remarkable because (1) 145 pitches in-and-of-itself is a lot of pitches and unheard of in today's game and (2) that Hawkins was extremely efficient in throwing only 145 pitches in 12 innings (that's only about 12 pitches per inning).

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15 hours ago, CotcheryifyouCan said:

aaron fing boone. not sure if i love or hate the hire. on one hand he is young and hopefully relate with these kids on the other he has never coached before. i guess we put our trust in cashman 

Makes a lot of sense when you read the article.  Dad was a MLB manager and he has made many connections these past years in the booth as an analyst.  Lots of people to lean on for advice. 

I like the hire

 

 

https://nypost.com/2017/12/02/inside-how-aaron-boone-won-over-the-yankees/

Aaron Boone couldn’t hide his lack of in-uniform credentials. It was not as if he could tell Yankees officials he had managed three years at Double-A and been a bench coach for two in the majors.

His résumé was his résumé, and the Yankees brought him in for an interview regardless because they were intrigued by what they knew about him, what their research showed and what those who knew him well said about him.

Then, over the course of a few-hour interview last month, Boone surprised his Yankees inquisitors with his grasp of all areas of the game. They knew Boone well enough to expect he would be sincere and confident and poised and well-spoken, but it also became clear Boone had been using his role as an ESPN analyst as something akin to a Ph.D. program in modern baseball.

He was not just being handed game notes and reading them on the air. Instead, he was getting a peek behind the fences of just about every organization, gathering what he liked and didn’t like about how matters were handled by front offices and managers.

It was not riding the buses as a minor league manager or getting an eyeful of a whole season as a major league coach. It was a different kind of education and preparation and — at this moment in baseball history — perhaps a better one. He probably was learning a lot more about the modern game, say, chatting freely with A.J. Hinch or Buck Showalter than he could have derived from, say, managing in the Eastern League.

It certainly allowed him to win the room — allaying concerns with Yankees management about his lack of in-uniform leadership experience to such a degree that he got the managing job on Friday.

Now, for the next room — the Yankees’ clubhouse.

Boone will have to win over that group with a lot less history than he had with those who interviewed him to replace Joe Girardi. He can draw on a lifetime in the game as both the grandson and son of former major leaguers, including a major league manager in his father, Bob.

Of course, no number of relatives in the game or hours mulling what you like and don’t like about each organization fully preps anyone for the scope of a major league manager’s responsibility. Whether Boone can handle this all in more than theory is months away from being known.

Clearly, though, he has been devouring all the intel for more than just broadcast reasons. Managing has been a pull for a while now and captivated his attention more as last season wore on. There was likely a continuing future for him at ESPN, but also legitimate concerns with all the job-cutting the network has been doing.

In addition, there was a sport more open to managers following untraditional routes. Organizations are more and more favoring traits that were in Boone’s tool belt — such as being able to communicate and connect with people, being open to new ideas and having self-confidence to withstand external rebuke.

As a longtime friend of Boone said, “He handles noise well.”

It kind of turned into right guy, right place, right time. Brian Cashman and other important Yankees executives knew and liked Boone already, felt his skill set matched up well with what they wanted in a manager.

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Boone has three generations of MLB experience in his family to lean on.

Cashman had been stealth in much of the process, but overt any time he spoke publicly that “there are no perfect candidates.” The GM knew no one interviewed was going to check all of the boxes, so this became about checking key ones and then winning the room by showing deficiencies would not define him.

Cashman has told a story over the years that when he was hired as GM in February 1998, at the age of 30 as the second-youngest man at that time ever to hold that title, George Steinbrenner told him The Boss could have found someone older, more experienced or more credentialed for the job. But those Steinbrenner trusted such as Gene Michael championed Cashman and his gut said this was the right way to go.

That always stuck with Cashman, and he has become more and more fearless in his job, particularly over the past five to 10 years. Remember a decade ago that sentiment inside and outside the organization was strong to hire the popular Don Mattingly, but Cashman endorsed Girardi.

If anything, Cashman has become even bolder in his words and actions since once he feels he has arrived at the right decision.

So it is not hard to see what happened here: Boone overcame what was missing on his résumé by winning the room, winning over Cashman.

Now, it is onto the clubhouse to see if Cashman’s gut feeling about Boone was correct and he can win that room, too.

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On 12/2/2017 at 6:04 PM, CotcheryifyouCan said:

aaron fing boone. not sure if i love or hate the hire. on one hand he is young and hopefully relate with these kids on the other he has never coached before. i guess we put our trust in cashman 

Agreed. No idea what to think. With no experience there is nothing to go by.

Cashman wants more control over the lineup apparently. Saber-Lineup-Ing

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12 hours ago, whodeawhodat said:

would it be crazy to move Clint Frazier to 2nd?  He couldnt be worse than Starlin Castro defensively?  Could he????

I think they go Torreyes at 2B until they think Gleyber Torres is ready and Didi moves to 3B or 2B

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8 hours ago, Philc1 said:

I think they go Torreyes at 2B until they think Gleyber Torres is ready and Didi moves to 3B or 2B

trying to get frazier playing time and have him not be traded.  we have 5 FT outfielders as it stands right now not including this kid?

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