Sperm Edwards Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 7 hours ago, CanadaSteve said: If you are asking for my opinion, I think Watson would have been a HUGE reach at 6...bigger than Trubinsky was for the Bears. The majority of stuff I read on him had me thinking he would have been a better 2nd round risk. Perhaps that is why I am not that upset by Mac not picking him. If I had more time, I would watch more college stuff to judge myself...alas. Again, when a team needs a QB, all the talk will center around it until one is found, no matter who is doing the picking. Actually at no point was I asking your opinion as to whom you think is or isn’t a reach. The NFL isn’t the CFL, nor is it hockey, curling, tapping maple trees, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Matt39 said: The between the lines of the Cimini article suggests Bowles didnt feel like coaching a rookie QB. They also had Trubisky as their top rated QB. It didnt suggest that at all. It said if Trubisky was there at 6, that was the pick. It said Mac was not high on WAtson and Mahomes at 6. But right on que, twist an article which already seems full of conjecture and create more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 55 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Actually at no point was I asking your opinion as to whom you think is or isn’t a reach. The NFL isn’t the CFL, nor is it hockey, curling, tapping maple trees, etc. Glad to see we are still friends..... And you're right, the NFL isn't as good as hockey...or maple syrup, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: Oh yes the “our stupid GM is just as stupid as other GM’s so he’s actually good” argument God, another one out of the woodwork. Let's just end this one. You're right. That's EXACTLY what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: It didnt suggest that at all. It said if Trubisky was there at 6, that was the pick. It said Mac was not high on WAtson and Mahomes at 6. But right on que, twist an article which already seems full of conjecture and create more. We are starting Josh Mccown a year after starting Ryan Fitzpatrick. Not sure how much more evidence we need to see Bowles doesnt care for young QB's. Nor does he seem to get the most important part of his job is finding one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 On 10/31/2017 at 3:02 PM, kelly said: i think this is Funny.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 53 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: God, another one out of the woodwork. Let's just end this one. You're right. That's EXACTLY what I said. Look 10 other teams passed on Watson of course the jets were like 1 of 3 that desperately needed an actual NFL qb but whatever we got a safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 23 hours ago, Augustiniak said: yet, every year there are qbs who come into the nfl who show promise and are competent. prescott, dalton, garropolo, carr, bridgewater, cousins, wilson, all not first rounders. the jets decision makers are truly afraid of making a mistake at qb, but all they're showing is they're not up to the task. i have no doubt mccags will go after cousins like a mo fo, b/c that would be the easy way out, he could still draft his BAP and take a LT in the first round, and never risk failing or succeeding by drafting a potential franchise qb. i'm also beginning to wonder if the flawed power structure on the jets is discouraging him from drafting a qb that high, since bowles may not play him anyway, and mccags can't fire bowles. I think this is pretty much spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 3 hours ago, JiF said: Yep. Just like Todd didnt want Lynch. It's clear as day, Todd doesnt want to waste his time developing a QB. They're talking about it on local radio too laughing hysterically at how stupid the Jets are. They had Trubisky rated higher. Un-*******-real. This dude is an absolute dope. They thought Watson was a "decent" prospect who needed developing? WTF? What is Trubisky? And apparently they were already developing Petty and Hackenberg. Cant make this sh*t up. This ******* franchise. Un-*******-real. imagine Watson sitting on the bench all season because McCown "gives us the best chance to win". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 4 hours ago, Bugg said: Stop with the Big Bang horsesheet. The show, like all CBS sitcoms. sucks. These images add nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RESNewYork Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 5 hours ago, Matt39 said: We are starting Josh Mccown a year after starting Ryan Fitzpatrick. Not sure how much more evidence we need to see Bowles doesnt care for young QB's. Nor does he seem to get the most important part of his job is finding one. If you want to take the article as fact, it says Bowles loved Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Well Watson is done for the year... https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/926193425917063169 Lets hope the guy we pick can make it through his rookie year. Shame as this guy had looked fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 If this happened to the Jets - Macc would be getting killed for drafting an "injury prone" guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 The football gods have given all the franchises who passed him an escape clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Kid can’t stay healthy so mac gets credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The football gods have given all the franchises who passed him an escape clause I think the football gods were offended by all the praise he'd been getting. Tough year for injuries it seems, lots of "big names" going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 On 11/1/2017 at 1:10 PM, shuler82 said: If Kelly posts one more 'Big Bang Theory' GIF I'm going to kick her in the dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 On 11/2/2017 at 8:19 AM, Bugg said: Stop with the Big Bang horsesheet. The show, like all CBS sitcoms. sucks. These images add nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 On 10/31/2017 at 11:20 AM, jetrider said: Watson found the right team, right OC/HC, right system, right environment. Anyone who thinks his situation in Houston transfers to Flo Park with a floundering-D HC and a rookie OC needs to pull their head out fast. That's number 1. Number 2, Jets locked up McCown before the draft. Bowles had every intention of starting him to sweep the QB issue under the rug and dodge the task of developing one – something he's never done and never will. right. even if watson was picked it is highly doubtful that bowles would've started him over mccnown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 On 11/1/2017 at 12:29 PM, gEYno said: No, you really wouldn't think that. What you'd think is that people are upset that after 3 years, we still have no QB, no pass-rusher, no #1 WR, no #1 RB, and no #1 CB. Essentially, after 3 years, we have no one at any of the positions that matter in today's NFL. Instead, we have loaded up at S and ILB, and while it's early, no evidence that we're getting great returns from those investments. So, no, you shouldn't think it's about the Super Bowl, it's about a complete failure to be a better team than the one he took over. Hypothetically, are the 2017 Jets beating the 2014 Jets? Maybe, I don't think it's that clear. Let me simplify - Year 3 of Mac, and Josh McCown is the QB and Matt Forte is the RB, but you think it's the Super Bowl that people are upset about? The frustrating thing is all of these positions were there for the taking in Rounds 1-3 of the last three drafts. Mac just took the wrong players. Smith, Hackenberg, Mauldin have all been useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: The frustrating thing is all of these positions were there for the taking in Rounds 1-3 of the last three drafts. Mac just took the wrong players. Smith, Hackenberg, Mauldin have all been useless. Very true. However two of the 3 are injury related. And blaming a GM for things out of his control is not fair. That’s why Hackenberg gets the focus of being his biggest blunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Very true. However two of the 3 are injury related. And blaming a GM for things out of his control is not fair. That’s why Hackenberg gets the focus of being his biggest blunder Smith was awful every time he stepped on the field, he could not run routes, famously dropped a kick to help lose a game and was lost out there. He drafted a guy in the 2nd round that he got as an UDFA, Anderson who runs go routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, Beerfish said: Smith was awful every time he stepped on the field, he could not run routes, famously dropped a kick to help lose a game and was lost out there. He drafted a guy in the 2nd round that he got as an UDFA, Anderson who runs go routes. Injuries limited his development. You can’t say he wouldn’t have learned. So that goes to injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Injuries limited his development. You can’t say he wouldn’t have learned. So that goes to injuries Apologetics at it's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, gEYno said: Apologetics at it's best. Logic. Injuries are something, barring a major history and /or mistreatment, that you can’t blame a higher up for. It is illogical to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Logic. Injuries are something, barring a major history and /or mistreatment, that you can’t blame a higher up for. It is illogical to do so. A guy with a small frame for his position (making injury more likely), who, when healthy perfectly matched his scouting profile which stated that he had poor hands, runs poor routes, is too reliant on speed, struggles when defended, is weak, can't match up against physical corners, and doesn't run block, doesn't get a pass because he got hurt. Same goes for Maudlin who does not have the athleticism to be a pass rusher. Injuries don't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Injuries limited his development. You can’t say he wouldn’t have learned. So that goes to injuries You can say this about a guy like Dee Milliner, he started off slow, then looked great for about the last half dozen games of his rookie year. He looked like a starting CB then more injuries. Devon Smith looked bad from day one when healthy, never looked like he was any good at any point in time at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Logic. Injuries are something, barring a major history and /or mistreatment, that you can’t blame a higher up for. 14 minutes ago, gEYno said: Apologetics at it's best. i disagree.. to say smith, as well as mauldin, haven't become competent NFL players is based on injuries, is playing devil's advocate at best & disingenuous at worst.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, gEYno said: A guy with a small frame for his position (making injury more likely), who, when healthy perfectly matched his scouting profile which stated that he had poor hands, runs poor routes, is too reliant on speed, struggles when defended, is weak, can't match up against physical corners, and doesn't run block, doesn't get a pass because he got hurt. Same goes for Maudlin who does not have the athleticism to be a pass rusher. Injuries don't change that. Maybe not, but that is a supposition. Great players can outplay physical deficiencies. Wayne Chrebet, John Randle etc. it will simply go into the books as “We’ll never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: You can say this about a guy like Dee Milliner, he started off slow, then looked great for about the last half dozen games of his rookie year. He looked like a starting CB then more injuries. Devon Smith looked bad from day one when healthy, never looked like he was any good at any point in time at all. But his development Time was robbed by injuries. That’s the point. Milliner had an injury history which releases him from this law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: But his development Time was robbed by injuries. That’s the point. Milliner had an injury history which releases him from this law You have to show something early in your career even if you are not polished, he showed nothing at all. Unlike the UDFA we picked up that showed speed and had reasonable hands and knew how to run by people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, Beerfish said: You can say this about a guy like Dee Milliner, he started off slow, then looked great for about the last half dozen games of his rookie year. He looked like a starting CB then more injuries. Devon Smith looked bad from day one when healthy, never looked like he was any good at any point in time at all. To be fair, Devin Smith was hospitalized with broken ribs and a punctured lung to start his rookie training camp, never had a chance after that... July 31, 2015 - Smith, a second-round draft pick out of Ohio State, caught a long pass from Geno Smith that deflected off the hands of cornerback Marcus Williams. While Devin Smith was coming down, he was hit from behind by safety Jaiquawn Jarrett — and it appeared Smith's head and neck area took the brunt of it. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/jets-rookie-broken-ribs-devin-smith-miss-most-training-camp/18ch51eo8eavo1tnzzemp3kv94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Maybe not, but that is a supposition. Great players can outplay physical deficiencies. Wayne Chrebet, John Randle etc. it will simply go into the books as “We’ll never know Only in the mind of an apologist, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: To be fair, Devin Smith was hospitalized with broken ribs and a punctured lung to start his rookie training camp, never had a chance after that... July 31, 2015 - Smith, a second-round draft pick out of Ohio State, caught a long pass from Geno Smith that deflected off the hands of cornerback Marcus Williams. While Devin Smith was coming down, he was hit from behind by safety Jaiquawn Jarrett — and it appeared Smith's head and neck area took the brunt of it. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/jets-rookie-broken-ribs-devin-smith-miss-most-training-camp/18ch51eo8eavo1tnzzemp3kv94 And who would think that a WR might take hits from a safety? Who would possibly guess that a guy who was significantly undersized for the position might get hurt on one of those hits? How could anyone have seen that coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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