Colin Kaepernick is being blackballed, and I'm very upset about it

[Awesumtenor]

41 minutes ago, GATA said:

His last 2 years were really bad. That's why I didn't know why everyone got upset teams weren't picking him up.

They let it escalate into a race issue when it shouldn't have been one. Then, having owners and Goodell making statements just keeps making it all about race when it should just be about his talent.

 

Simply put he's not good.

 

He played hurt in 2015 and only played 9  games; in 2016 he was hurt the first 4 games before playing and starting the last 12 games. The 7 games he missed in 2015 and the 4 games he missed in 2016 were started by Gabbert. Playing hurt in 2015 he posted his career worst passer rating, 78.9; his passer rating in 2016 was 90.2. For his career he has a 60% completion rate, his yds per attempt is 7.3 which is only exceeded by the following starting QBs in the league: Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Cousins, Brady, Ryan, Newton, Rodgers and Rivers. Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton have the same yds/att as Kaepernick. His career passer rating is only exceeded by Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Cousins, Brady, Ryan, Rodgers and Rivers. Last year he threw 16 TDs vs. 4 picks in 12 games; in 2015 he threw 6 TDs and 5 INTs in the 9 games he played.

So please show us how he is "really bad" by any objective measure.

[rammagen]

1 hour ago, jetrider said:

He traded $14.5M to have what he has now and blames everyone but himself

they were going to cut him  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-lynch-49ers-would-have-cut-kaepernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out/

[ZachEY]

Actions have consequences on both sides.  Should the suit materialize, he'll likely win.  I wouldn't be shocked if the NFL settles.

[NoBowles]

3 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Actions have consequences on both sides.  Should the suit materialize, he'll likely win.  I wouldn't be shocked if the NFL settles.

If you believe Ray Lewis, the Ravens were about to sign him until his girlfriend tweeted that despicable tweet. Going to be hard to prove collusion if Ray Lewis is right.....

[Jet_Engine1]

44 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think this is fair. Kaepernick was aware of the consequences and he plowed ahead. He’s clearly sincere about the issue and will be remembered as a significant political figure of the time. I don’t necessarily blame individual owners for making a business decision in their individual markets and not taking on the attendant baggage for a player who wasn’t playing at a high level in the first place.

 

That said, the NFL as a whole comes away from this looking like the insular, out of touch cowards they are, and they deserve both the short- and long-term damage that they’ve incurred in their handling of this matter, both specifically and in the macro sense. The smart move would have been to call Paul Allen and induce him to put Kaepernick on the Seahawks as a backup. That’s a region, a base, a team, and a coach that could handle it, and the issue would have been dead in two weeks. Instead, the NFL pandered to a relatively small and declining piece of America who will mostly be dead by the time Kaepernick retires, and the Bob McNair’s and Jerry Jones’s of the NFL will have burned every bridge to that younger demo that the league was already struggling to attract. I predict that Jones will end up firing Goodell and consciously installing a woman or Tony Dungy as commissioner, and that commissioner will spend the first ten years of their tenure trying to convince millions of alienated 20 year olds that the NFL is super-woke and inclusive now. 

Maybe you need to get out of the North East for a minute. LOL

 

And 20 year old kids arent tuning out of the NFL because of some nebulous, horsesh*t reason pertaining to "social justice" or whatever the hell that means (lets be honest, it means special treatment for people who think they're special because of "oppression" lol), they dont watch because anyone under the age of about 25 has the attention span of that dog in Up from a lifetime of staring at phones, tablets, in vehicle entertainment systems, Nintendo DS, and any other form of high volume interactive screen entertainment. Hell, my kids do their homework on the touchscreen at home. Sitting for 3 hours watching guys slam into each other broken up by incessant commercials isnt going to hold the attention of kids that can barely sit through a 2 hour movie anymore. 

 

Blaming it on old white guys is stupid. Appearances in the media to the contrary, African Americans are still only about 15% of the population, and the ? "woke (what a stupid term) white millenial kid" who is in love with socialism, antifa, BLM, and all sorts of Progressive nonsense that they glommed onto while getting high and figuring out the easiest path to a degree at some liberal arts college isnt that high either. 

Its the game itself thats a bit old. Somewhat outdated to a young audience. Its what dad does. Whatever.

 

Still doeant make Colin Kaepernick a good QB. Guy lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.

 

Blaine. Gabbert. LOL

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, gEYno said:

Actions have consequences on both sides.  Should the suit materialize, he'll likely win.  I wouldn't be shocked if the NFL settles.

They’re writing the check as we speak. 

 

 

[Bugg]

Personally I think his protest is disgraceful and incoherent. The guy has never voted. The actual number of unjustified police shootings are statistically extremely few and invariably seriously investigated.  Walking around in anti-cop and Che Guevara t-shirts shows he isn't much more than a dupe and a poseur. frankly I think he is an idiot and  total douchebag. Guevara was know to take great pleasure in killing anyone and everyone he deemed insufficiently down with the Cuban Revolution, especially black Cubans and gays, doing so without a trial, and often with torture. 

I admit a bias here about police officers. There are some very stupid  and evil people with Kapernick who have chanted about wanting dead cops. And in instances in Brooklyn and Dallas have so acted. 

This is nonetheless doing long term damage to the NFL's business. 

Having said all that, Kapernick  is a bona fide NFL QB in a league with very few of those. He is however bad for business in many NFL markets, which is why he is not right now a Packer nor a Texan. But had he signed as a backup by Seattle over last summer this whole thing would have disappeared like a fart in a hurricane. Nobody outside of Seattle would have given him a 2nd thought. That Goodell is so tone deaf and imbecilic that he did not make that happen means this league is in serious trouble.This is a serious lack of foresight and leadership.  You can lose an advertiser who makes crappy pizza, but if beer and car companies decide to do that, look out. And that is where this is headed. 

[GATA]

45 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

Kaepernick's play has certainly regressed over the last few years, but there's no way anyone can convince me that there are 96 better QB's than him in the NFL right now.  We all know what's happening here. 

And I think if anyone is as bad they shouldn't either.

[ZachEY]

 

7 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Maybe you need to get out of the North East for a minute. LOL

 

And 20 year old kids arent tuning out of the NFL because of some nebulous, horsesh*t reason pertaining to "social justice" or whatever the hell that means (lets be honest, it means special treatment for people who think they're special because of "oppression" lol), they dont watch because anyone under the age of about 25 has the attention span of that dog in Up from a lifetime of staring at phones, tablets, in vehicle entertainment systems, Nintendo DS, and any other form of high volume interactive screen entertainment. Hell, my kids do their homework on the touchscreen at home. Sitting for 3 hours watching guys slam into each other broken up by incessant commercials isnt going to hold the attention of kids that can barely sit through a 2 hour movie anymore. 

 

Blaming it on old white guys is stupid. Appearances in the media to the contrary, African Americans are still only about 15% of the population, and the ? "woke (what a stupid term) white millenial kid" who is in love with socialism, antifa, BLM, and all sorts of Progressive nonsense that tgey glimmed onto while getting high and fuguring out the easiest path to a degree at some liberal arts college isnt that high either. 

Its the game itself thats a bit old. Somewhat outdated to a young audience. Its what dad does. Whatever.

 

Still doeant make Colin Kaepernick a good QB. Guy lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.

 

Blaine. Gabbert. LOL

Whole lotta anger and ignorance going on right here.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Maybe you need to get out of the North East for a minute. LOL

 

And 20 year old kids arent tuning out of the NFL because of some nebulous, horsesh*t reason pertaining to "social justice" or whatever the hell that means (lets be honest, it means special treatment for people who think they're special because of "oppression" lol), they dont watch because anyone under the age of about 25 has the attention span of that dog in Up from a lifetime of staring at phones, tablets, in vehicle entertainment systems, Nintendo DS, and any other form of high volume interactive screen entertainment. Hell, my kids do their homework on the touchscreen at home. Sitting for 3 hours watching guys slam into each other broken up by incessant commercials isnt going to hold the attention of kids that can barely sit through a 2 hour movie anymore. 

 

Blaming it on old white guys is stupid. Appearances in the media to the contrary, African Americans are still only about 15% of the population, and the ? "woke (what a stupid term) white millenial kid" who is in love with socialism, antifa, BLM, and all sorts of Progressive nonsense that tgey glimmed onto while getting high and fuguring out the easiest path to a degree at some liberal arts college isnt that high either. 

Its the game itself thats a bit old. Somewhat outdated to a young audience. Its what dad does. Whatever.

 

Still doeant make Colin Kaepernick a good QB. Guy lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.

 

Blaine. Gabbert. LOL

I’m never leaving the northeast. It’s terrible here, but I’m never leaving unless it’s to open a Wawa on the Baja Peninsula or something. ?

 

to clarify, I don’t think the 20 year old is tuning out specifically because of Kaepernick, but the handling of the Kaepernick situation is endemic of the old-school corporate packaging the NFL product comes in. Especially with the Thursday night games; it doesn’t feel like you’re watching a sport, it feels like you’re watching a really long commercial for a huge business wherein the game and players are a peripheral element. 

[jetrider]

What case does he have? Nobody likes him, nobody wants him, his skills declined. Period.

If by some bizarro ruling the league owes him anything he should wait in line behind Tebow, Sam, and Kluwe.

[NoBowles]

1 minute ago, gEYno said:

 

Whole lotta anger and ignorance going on right here.

I don't get what my post has to do with anger or ignorance, but OK. 

[GATA]

19 minutes ago, Awesumtenor said:

He played hurt in 2015 and only played 9  games; in 2016 he was hurt the first 4 games before playing and starting the last 12 games. The 7 games he missed in 2015 and the 4 games he missed in 2016 were started by Gabbert. Playing hurt in 2015 he posted his career worst passer rating, 78.9; his passer rating in 2016 was 90.2. For his career he has a 60% completion rate, his yds per attempt is 7.3 which is only exceeded by the following starting QBs in the league: Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Cousins, Brady, Ryan, Newton, Rodgers and Rivers. Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton have the same yds/att as Kaepernick. His career passer rating is only exceeded by Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Cousins, Brady, Ryan, Rodgers and Rivers. Last year he threw 16 TDs vs. 4 picks in 12 games; in 2015 he threw 6 TDs and 5 INTs in the 9 games he played.

So please show us how he is "really bad" by any objective measure.

You can't throw in the overall numbers because I never said anything against the first portion of his career because I'm not a niners fan and I was rooting for the kid to start instead of Smith. 

But the injury took a toll on his play style.

[ZachEY]

7 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

If you believe Ray Lewis, the Ravens were about to sign him until his girlfriend tweeted that despicable tweet. Going to be hard to prove collusion if Ray Lewis is right.....

I think "about to sign him" is a tough thing to prove, and I think a girlfriend's tweet is a tough reason to cancel a contract, considering involvement in a double homicide wasn't enough.

[ZachEY]

Just now, NoBowles said:

I don't get what my post has to do with anger or ignorance, but OK. 

My apologies.  That was not intended for that post.  I had them both quoted by accident.  Removed on edit.  The response intended for you is above.

[NoBowles]

Just now, gEYno said:

I think "about to sign him" is a tough thing to prove, and I think a girlfriend's tweet is a tough reason to cancel a contract, considering involvement in a double homicide wasn't enough.

Regardless of your politics, if your an owner of a business, and someone you were about to hire had a girlfriend, or family member, that equated you to a slave owner, would you still hire them? I wouldn't personally. I also agree I would not have had Ray Lewis on my team, but that is a separate issue here IMO.

If Ray Lewis takes the stand and says the Ravens were absolutely going to sign him until that tweet came out, which he has said on more than one occasion, I don't see how a jury finds the NFL as a whole as colluding against him. He has to prove collusion as much as the other way around.

 

[NoBowles]

2 minutes ago, gEYno said:

My apologies.  That was not intended for that post.  I had them both quoted by accident.  Removed on edit.  The response intended for you is above.

All good, I realized that after your second post.

[nycdan]

Not a single one of the 32 teams has invited me to try out for a QB opening.  I think I'm going to file a collusion lawsuit too.

There's no way to pretend Kaepernick wouldn't be a distraction in the locker room and polarizing to fans.  He has literally made himself radioactive.  I can't blame any HC or owner for not wanting to go within a mile of that when combined with the fact that he is of questionable value at this point.  Unless they find a smoking text/email, the lawsuit should go nowhere.  If it gets legs in spite of evidence, it is a very dangerous precedent.  Of course it will all be about jury selection if it gets that far.  The NFL had better hire Dr. Bull.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, NoBowles said:

Regardless of your politics, if your an owner of a business, and someone you were about to hire had a girlfriend, or family member, that equated you to a slave owner, would you still hire them? I wouldn't personally. I also agree I would not have had Ray Lewis on my team, but that is a separate issue here IMO.

If Ray Lewis takes the stand and says the Ravens were absolutely going to sign him until that tweet came out, which he has said on more than one occasion, I don't see how a jury finds the NFL as a whole as colluding against him. He has to prove collusion as much as the other way around.

 

Going out on a limb here and saying that the owners won’t want Ray Lewis in a courtroom speaking for them.

[Jet_Engine1]

19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’m never leaving the northeast. It’s terrible here, but I’m never leaving unless it’s to open a Wawa on the Baja Peninsula or something. ?

 

to clarify, I don’t think the 20 year old is tuning out specifically because of Kaepernick, but the handling of the Kaepernick situation is endemic of the old-school corporate packaging the NFL product comes in. Especially with the Thursday night games; it doesn’t feel like you’re watching a sport, it feels like you’re watching a really long commercial for a huge business wherein the game and players are a peripheral element. 

On that we agree 100%. But its not so bad down here in District 11. We have dentists and everything.

[NoBowles]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Going out on a limb here and saying that the owners won’t want Ray Lewis in a courtroom speaking for them.

You may be right, but if they think Ray Lewis can testify as a very strong counter to Kaep's lawsuit, I don't see why they wouldn't. 

[Warfish]

18 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Actions have consequences on both sides.  Should the suit materialize, he'll likely win.  I wouldn't be shocked if the NFL settles.

All it takes is evidence of one, any, offer or lead on an offer by an NFL Team to Kap than Kap or his agent declined and the suit gets thrown out.

And I'm willing to bet, especially early on, a number of offers for a #2 job-with-chances were put forward and declined.

So no, the NFL shouldn't settle any more than they did on the Brady cheating issue.  

[GATA]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’m never leaving the northeast. It’s terrible here, but I’m never leaving .

I second this.

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

On that we agree 100%. But its not ao bad down here in District 11. We have dentists and everything.

Lol!

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

You may be right, but if they think Ray Lewis can testify as a very strong counter to Kaep's lawsuit, I don't see why they wouldn't. 

Because Ray Lewis is a dolt who wouldn’t stand up to cross-examination from a sock pocket dressed up as Marcia Clark. Dude flipped on his boys at his murder trial.

[NoBowles]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Because Ray Lewis is a dolt who wouldn’t stand up to cross-examination from a sock pocket dressed up as Marcia Clark. Dude flipped on his boys at his murder trial.

He cleans up nice, he shows up looking like this, Team Kaep is in for a long day in court!

[nyjunc]

2 hours ago, JetFreak89 said:

I don't disagree with you but when you are talking about Savage vs. McGloin, would he really be automatically considered a backup? 

well SF was 1-10 in keep starts last year, combined Savage and McGloin's teams are 2-8.  Kaep makes no difference to a team or he would have been signed.  when you are a distraction and mediocre you won't get signed, if he was a distraction and good enough to be worth the distraction he'd have been signed in 5 minutes.

I keep seeing people solely discuss the protest, it's much more than that.  he Praised Fidel Castro, wore the cops as pigs socks, called police slave catchers, had his girlfriend send out the Ray Lewis/Ravens owner slavemaster/slave photoshop,  etc...  he's just not worth the baggage he brings which is much greater than the protest itself.

 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

well SF was 1-10 in keep starts last year, combined Savage and McGloin's teams are 2-8.  Kaep makes no difference to a team or he would have been signed.  when you are a distraction and mediocre you won't get signed, if he was a distraction and good enough to be worth the distraction he'd have been signed in 5 minutes.

I keep seeing people solely discuss the protest, it's much more than that.  he Praised Fidel Castro, wore the cops as pigs socks, called police slave catchers, had his girlfriend send out the Ray Lewis/Ravens owner slavemaster/slave photoshop,  etc...  he's just not worth the baggage he brings which is much greater than the protest itself.

 

This is all true, too. If I owned a team and needed a QB, I don’t think I’d be overly willing to answer questions about pig socks in exchange for a QB who hasn’t shown promise since Harbaugh left.

[NoBowles]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

This is all true, too. If I owned a team and needed a QB, I don’t think I’d be overly willing to answer questions about pig socks in exchange for a QB who hasn’t shown promise since Harbaugh left.

Atta boy, see, this thinking for yourself thing is not as hard as you thought, is it?  

[Awesumtenor]

23 minutes ago, GATA said:

You can't throw in the overall numbers because I never said anything against the first portion of his career because I'm not a niners fan and I was rooting for the kid to start instead of Smith. 

But the injury took a toll on his play style.

This article says otherwise:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2700218-nfl1000-is-colin-kaepernick-still-starting-quarterback-material-in-the-nfl

It's author started from your "he used to be good but he sucks now" premise, BTW; looking at Kaepernick's numbers and, especially, looking at the game film from last year convinced him otherwise.

[nyjunc]

52 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is false. It’s something Breer made up and had to retract.

that was the recent report but he sent out word before he was to become a FA that he would stand.  The Breer report was a few weeks ago, this was from back in March: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18805744/colin-kaepernick-stand-national-anthem-next-season

He has done some dumb things w/ his attacks on police but I had some respect for him standing up for something he believed in.  I lost all that respect once he put out word he'd stand this season if someone signed him. 

 

[T0mShane]

Just now, nyjunc said:

that was the recent report but he sent out word before he was to become a FA that he would stand.  The Breer report was a few weeks ago, this was from back in March: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18805744/colin-kaepernick-stand-national-anthem-next-season

He has done some dumb things w/ his attacks on police but I had some respect for him standing up for something he believed in.  I lost all that respect once he put out word he'd stand this season if someone signed him. 

 

I’d imagine Shefter’s source in that one is the same as Breer’s source.

[Kleckineau]

1 hour ago, August said:

Has any CFL team even implied about wanting him? 

Word is the Royal Canadian Mounties and Dudley Do-Right hate the guy.

 

[Jet_Engine1]

34 minutes ago, gEYno said:

 

Whole lotta anger and ignorance going on right here.

Nope. No anger, and only basic observations. But Il'll watch out. Dont want to get you all triggered and sad....

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’d imagine Shefter’s source in that one is the same as Breer’s source.

shefter has been on team Kaepernick for a while and that report came out in March and unlike the Breer report no one questioned it or debunked it.