Brisset - Luck

[Mogglez]

44 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

#12 is RETIRED................and he is damaged goods as we speak id rather have Jacoby Brissett as we speak. 

Well obviously #12 is retired, but like I said, I made that in 20 minutes on my phone lol.

I think Luck will be fine.  If he's available, we should be the first team calling Indy.

[JPPT1974]

Just hope Luck will be back in 2018. As really Peyton Manning came back in 2012 despite being with Denver at the time!

[joewilly12]

9 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Well obviously #12 is retired, but like I said, I made that in 20 minutes on my phone lol.

I think Luck will be fine.  If he's available, we should be the first team calling Indy.

Ok no worries nice job looks good I agree because Cousins may demand more then we should pay. 

[Jetster]

2 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Black QBs can only be compared to black QBs. Clockwork.

Rodgers, Rothlesberger, Alex Smith, amongst others than all do the same thing...

Lol, I was thinking in terms of more RECENT young QBs having success in the league. Can u say anything in this day & age without being called a racist? 

[Integrity28]

16 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Lol, I was thinking in terms of more RECENT young QBs having success in the league. Can u say anything in this day & age without being called a racist? 

Not if it’s a generally racist statement, no.

[Jetscode1]

Just now, Integrity28 said:

Not if it’s a generally racist statement, no.

Pretty sure race is an illusion...but racist is racist.

[Jetster]

9 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Not if it’s a generally racist statement, no.

Oh, okay, so as not to blur the lines he plays like Mahomes who I believe is interracial. That should end this discussion.

[Integrity28]

34 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Oh, okay, so as not to blur the lines he plays like Mahomes who I believe is interracial. That should end this discussion.

Mahomes hasn't played a snap in the NFL. This is a pointless comment. 

If you want to describe how he plays, then describe it: Brisset has a big arm, knows when to check-down, but doesn't lean on it as a crutch, and is thick enough to shed would-be sacks to keep plays alive a bit longer. He's patient and calm enough to go through his progressions, he just needs to mature in how he's reading and picking apart defenses.

If you're desperate for a comparison, it's Ben R. moreso than anyone. He reminds me of Ben as a rookie in a lot of ways. Not racking up huge amounts of yardage, or a high completion percentage, but exhibiting a knack to keep the offense moving (Ben had much better supporting cast, obviously). 

The terminology below in bold is like code for "black QB". Reality is, being mobile and elusive is not "new" to the NFL for the QB position. Jake Plummer, Flutie, Randall Cunningham, Elway, Steve Young, Favre... not to mention tons of lesser known QBs all exhibited the same tendencies. 

21 hours ago, Jetster said:

Brissetts game is similar in style to Dak Prescott. It fits this new NFL. Guys that move around just enough to buy more time for guys to get open.

[Butterfield]

53 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Oh, okay, so as not to blur the lines he plays like Mahomes who I believe is interracial. That should end this discussion.

So you pick another qb that is partially black. One who has never played.  You cant play the its not racist comment card anymore after that.  

 

 

[Jetster]

14 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Mahomes hasn't played a snap in the NFL. This is a pointless comment. 

If you want to describe how he plays, then describe it: Brisset has a big arm, knows when to check-down, but doesn't lean on it as a crutch, and is thick enough to shed would-be sacks to keep plays alive a bit longer. He's patient and calm enough to go through his progressions, he just needs to mature in how he's reading and picking apart defenses.

If you're desperate for a comparison, it's Ben R. moreso than anyone. He reminds me of Ben as a rookie in a lot of ways. Not racking up huge amounts of yardage, or a high completion percentage, but exhibiting a knack to keep the offense moving (Ben had much better supporting cast, obviously). 

The terminology below in bold is like code for "black QB". Reality is, being mobile and elusive is not "new" to the NFL for the QB position. Jake Plummer, Flutie, Randall Cunningham, Elway, Steve Young, Favre... not to mention tons of lesser known QBs all exhibited the same tendencies. 

Seriously...go away.

[Butterfield]

Just now, Jetster said:

Seriously...go away.

Racist.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

I just hope this tendency of the pats* finding QB's in the draft who can play in the NFL ends when/if brady retires, easier to find one, when you have one?

 

[Stark]

16 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

Plan B would be trading for him. Their offensive line is horrendous. He's also only in his second year,not a seasoned vet.

 

14 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

I'd try for a third but would be willing to spend one of our 2nds.

There's no comparison to Hasselbeck. Completely different players. Don't go by stats. He's a young player, starting his first season. I think he can be a top 15 quarterback.

@Adoni Beast this post is not negative towards you, but you mentioned the fact that he is young and only in his second year. We agree.

Imagine that, a young QB that is getting playing time showing that he can play.

[Stark]

11 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Well obviously #12 is retired, but like I said, I made that in 20 minutes on my phone lol.

I think Luck will be fine.  If he's available, we should be the first team calling Indy.

Send a shoulder specialist, odds are Luck will be okay, but if not - you had your "guy" (shoulder specialist) check it out. If your guy says its going to be okay and not an issue going forward, then I absolutely would try to get Luck.

And i would do whatever it took, but only if the shoulder gets ok'd

[JustInFudge]

22 hours ago, Jetster said:

Brissetts game is similar in style to Dak Prescott. It fits this new NFL. Guys that move around just enough to buy more time for guys to get open.

Yes, Brissett and Dak are the first 2 Qb's to move around buy time for guys to get open.  Are they similar to Russell Wilson and Cam too?  What about Watson?  They certainly don't buy time the way Rodgers or Big Ben or Carson Wentz or guys like that do, if you know what I mean. 

[Kleckineau]

9 minutes ago, Stark said:

Send a shoulder specialist, odds are Luck will be okay, but if not - you had your "guy" (shoulder specialist) check it out. If your guy says its going to be okay and not an issue going forward, then I absolutely would try to get Luck.

And i would do whatever it took, but only if the shoulder gets ok'd

Not that simple. Going forward there will always be higher risks for him. He may get a clean bill of health but fact is that unfortunately for Luck the surgically repaired joint is forever at a much greater risk for re-injury when compared to a never injured shoulder.

[Stark]

1 minute ago, Kleckineau said:

Not that simple. Going forward there will always be higher risks for him. He may get a clean bill of health but fact is that unfortunately for Luck the repaired joint is forever at a much greater risk for re-injury when compared to a never injured / surgically repaired shoulder.

Yes, that is true the joint is at a greater risk, however if you have a shoulder specialist tell you that the joint is stable and won't be an issue then you trade for Luck if the opportunity presents itself. Obviously this is based on a medical professional, not a coach or team trainer. A 3rd party specialist. 

This is football any player is 1 play away from an injury, possibly career threatening. There is a risk that a perfectly healthy shoulder gets injured on any tackle. 

[Kleckineau]

7 minutes ago, Stark said:

Yes, that is true the joint is at a greater risk, however if you have a shoulder specialist tell you that the joint is stable and won't be an issue then you trade for Luck if the opportunity presents itself. Obviously this is based on a medical professional, not a coach or team trainer. A 3rd party specialist. 

This is football any player is 1 play away from an injury, possibly career threatening. There is a risk that a perfectly healthy shoulder gets injured on any tackle. 

That would be an ultra Jetsy move.  A star QB with a surgically repaired throwing shoulder that is fragile like an egg.  Deja vu......all over again.

[#27TheDominator]

12 minutes ago, Stark said:

Yes, that is true the joint is at a greater risk, however if you have a shoulder specialist tell you that the joint is stable and won't be an issue then you trade for Luck if the opportunity presents itself. Obviously this is based on a medical professional, not a coach or team trainer. A 3rd party specialist. 

This is football any player is 1 play away from an injury, possibly career threatening. There is a risk that a perfectly healthy shoulder gets injured on any tackle. 

There is reason to be more cautious with Luck.  They already cleared him and he still has too much pain.  They thought he would be ready for the season opener and now they shut him down.

[MDL_JET]

1 hour ago, Stark said:

Send a shoulder specialist, odds are Luck will be okay, but if not - you had your "guy" (shoulder specialist) check it out. If your guy says its going to be okay and not an issue going forward, then I absolutely would try to get Luck.

And i would do whatever it took, but only if the shoulder gets ok'd

I'd be all for it. F it. Roll the dice. I would just hope the Jets would be smart enough to spend every penny on building an oline, along with whatever draft picks we have left over. 

Wonder how many picks it would take.

[Mogglez]

 

 

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KRAVITZ: Might Jim Irsay run Andrew Luck out of Indianapolis with his intemperate remarks?

FILE - Colts Owner Jim Irsay introduces new general manager Chris Ballard introduces during a press conference at the NFL team's practice facility in Indianapolis, Monday, Jan. 30, 2017. (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)

PUBLISHED: NOV 6TH, 2017 - 4:00PM (EST)

BOB KRAVITZ

 

 

    

 

INDIANAPOLIS (WTHR) - There's a huge problem brewing between Colts owner Jim Irsay and quarterback Andrew Luck, the kind of problem that may destroy the relationship between the owner and his team's best player. And you wonder now, might Irsay and his big mouth run Luck out of Indianapolis?

During a commercial cut-in of Dan Patrick's national radio show, guest Tony Dungy, who did not know he was on the air, told Patrick during a break that Irsay recently said he believes that what's holding Luck back from returning to the field is more mental than it is physical.

Patrick asked Dungy about the Luck situation, and Dungy responded, "I don't know what's going on there. Jim Irsay made a comment about six weeks ago, 'It's inside his head now.'"

Patrick: "Wait, it's inside Luck's head?"

Dungy: "Yeah, [Irsay] said that when I was out [in Indianapolis] for Peyton's ceremony."

Patrick was stunned. "Wow," he said. "I really wonder if Luck's future is in Indianapolis. I really do."

Dungy didn't respond initially, then when Patrick brought up the fact that Irsay expected Luck back at the start of the season or early in the season, Dungy replied, "They obviously believed it because they did nothing to prepare for him not being there."

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Recently, there was a report out of Denver, unconfirmed locally, that Irsay was upset at Luck because he felt like the quarterback had given him every reason to believe he would be back either at the start of the season or early in the season. During the summer, in fact, Irsay told reporters Luck would be back for the season opener, and then, after the preseason game against Detroit, he insisted Luck would return early in the year.

Obviously, none of that has happened. Luck finally returned to the practice field a little more than three weeks ago on a limited basis, but after two weeks, the pain and inflammation returned to his surgically repaired right shoulder. This past Thursday, general manager Chris Ballard announced Luck would go on IR and be completely shut down for the rest of the season.
Irsay's comment to Dungy gives even more weight to the rather unsubtle hints he's dropped previously, suggestions that Luck's issues are more in his head than his right arm.

On Aug. 13, Irsay said, "It's been said before, all sports is played on a 4-inch field between your ears. It's really important we continue to help Andrew emotionally, mentally, get his confidence and his endorsement, deep down his rubber stamp (in) his heart of hearts because in the end, that carries the biggest weight."

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Then, during the Colts' final preseason game this summer, Irsay went in the TV booth and again brought up those four inches between the ears.

"…You have to be able to deal with this, not only physically but mentally," Irsay said. "I have no doubt that Andrew, the person that he is, he's going to come out of this thing not just how he was but a better quarterback. 'When' is the question. That timetable is more on the football gods and Andrew's gut feeling on how he's feeling."

So what we have here, quite simply, is the team owner saying both publicly and privately that he believes that the only one holding Luck back now is Luck himself. And that is not going to go over well with Luck, with his father, Oliver, with his representative Will Wilson or anybody else associated with Luck.

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Even if Irsay truly believes these things to be true, it's not something he should be hinting at publicly or saying quite forcefully in a private conversation. He is questioning Luck's toughness, his desire to play through discomfort, which is rather precious considering that Luck has been hit more often than any other NFL quarterback since 2012. Luck has suffered a concussion, a lacerated kidney, broken ribs and a shoulder injury since he's been in Indianapolis, due both to his shoddy offensive line play and his own reckless style of play.

It's never, ever, EVER smart business to question the toughness and pain tolerance of any athlete, and especially one who is expected to carry your franchise the next 10 years or so.

This is Irsay's mess to clean up, or his franchise player, the guy he views as another generational quarterback, will start looking for the next train out of Indianapolis.

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[Mogglez]

[Stark]

52 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

There is reason to be more cautious with Luck.  They already cleared him and he still has too much pain.  They thought he would be ready for the season opener and now they shut him down.

Yes, I understand this. The labrum is tricky and it is common to have a set back later in the process than if it was a rotator cuff. Either way as I said, I would need a top Shoulder Specialist to give a full detailed review of the shoulder, but if that came back good, then I'd do it. 

[T0mShane]

“Hello Jim, it’s Woody Johnson, heir to a bottomless pile of Percocet and I would like to talk to you about...whoa Jim, Andrew Luck would be wonderful AND five first rounders? That’s very gener...”

[MDL_JET]

4 minutes ago, Stark said:

Yes, I understand this. The labrum is tricky and it is common to have a set back later in the process than if it was a rotator cuff. Either way as I said, I would need a top Shoulder Specialist to give a full detailed review of the shoulder, but if that came back good, then I'd do it. 

Roll the dice on Luck, sending multiple high picks to Indy or sign Cousins to a billion dollar deal??

 

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Yes, Brissett and Dak are the first 2 Qb's to move around buy time for guys to get open.  Are they similar to Russell Wilson and Cam too?  What about Watson?  They certainly don't buy time the way Rodgers or Big Ben or Carson Wentz or guys like that do, if you know what I mean. 

Go away! body type, big strong legs to break arm tackles, move sideways well. I didn't even THINK about the race thing. This f*cking country has gone freaking mad, really.

[Stark]

1 minute ago, MDL_JET said:

Roll the dice on Luck, sending multiple high picks to Indy or sign Cousins to a billion dollar deal??

 

If your independent shoulder specialist says he's good I roll the dice on Luck. I like Cousins but I think there is a large difference in those 2. 

[Adoni Beast]

2 hours ago, Stark said:

 

@Adoni Beast this post is not negative towards you, but you mentioned the fact that he is young and only in his second year. We agree.

Imagine that, a young QB that is getting playing time showing that he can play.

Lol sounds so foreign here. Unfortunately, for us Brissett was always a better prospect than Petty and Hackenberg.

[Adoni Beast]

With reports today about Irsay hating on Luck and saying its all in his head, there is a slight possibility he gets traded.

As others have said, if his shoulder checks out with specialists, you trade whatever it takes to get him. 

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

With reports today about Irsay hating on Luck and saying its all in his head, there is a slight possibility he gets traded.

As others have said, if his shoulder checks out with specialists, you trade whatever it takes to get him. 

Id be ok with this if the trade was a conditional one where as we give up a #1 if he plays all 16 regular season games and he if only plays 6 of them the pick is a 3rd round.....damaged goods is a big risk and besides this QB class is loaded with QB's who can step in and help us immediately  Josh Allen,Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph not getting Sam Darnold isn't the end of the world. 

[Adoni Beast]

Just now, joewilly12 said:

Id be ok with this if the trade was a conditional one where as we give up a #1 if he plays all 16 regular season games and he if only plays 6 of them the pick is a 3rd round.....damaged goods is a big risk and besides this QB class is loaded with QB's who can step in and help us immediately  Josh Allen,Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph not getting Sam Darnold isn't the end of the world. 

That would be ideal if the deal had that language in it. I still can't believe the Colts ruined Andrew Luck, who did everything he could since he's been drafted. They didn't protect him, didn't surround him with a good roster, coaching staff, or front office. They should have shut him down when he intially was injured instead of playing him for a year and a half hurt.

[joewilly12]

My only other request if Andrew Luck is our QB us that he shaves he looks really creepy with that half beard. 

[BCJet]

If that article is even 50% true and I was luck, Id never play another down for Isray again.

He has gotten MURDERED due to a terrible supporting cast and even worse coaching staff.  It would be a high risk move with his throwing shoulder, but given 5 months to rest and rehab before the draft, team doctors could look at the situation and make a very educated prognosis on where he stands health wise.

[Stark]

1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said:

That would be ideal if the deal had that language in it. I still can't believe the Colts ruined Andrew Luck, who did everything he could since he's been drafted. They didn't protect him, didn't surround him with a good roster, coaching staff, or front office. They should have shut him down when he intially was injured instead of playing him for a year and a half hurt.

The other ideal scenario is if the shoulder was okay and we were able to acquire Luck, Bowles would probably be willing to play him since he is not a young guy.

[Adoni Beast]

1 hour ago, Stark said:

The other ideal scenario is if the shoulder was okay and we were able to acquire Luck, Bowles would probably be willing to play him since he is not a young guy.

Luck would carry this franchise, even if his arm strength was half the strength it was before. As long as his accuracy and touch aren't affected, half his arm strength is still plenty.