Worst Coaching year

[UnitedWhofans]

INteresting and parallel

[joewilly12]

TIE 

[UnitedWhofans]

I would say McAdoo simply because the expectations of this Giants team were greater than the Jets expectations the previous year. 

Plus the simple issue is that the Jets last year won 5 games and this Giants team could win 3 

I will also add and Evan Roberts brought this up. The Jets quit on Bowles in the last few weeks of the season. Its the middle game of the season for the Giants and they gave up. And, per Evan, that is worse and it makes sense

[pdxgreen]

Your kidding right?  Bowles was simply bad and the perfect storm of locker room crisis's.  McAdoo will be looking for a new job at the end of the year.  All with Tom Coughlin laughing in Florida.

[Obrien2Toon]

What’s the common thing between the two?

They both went out and spent a boat load of money in free agency.

Guys got paid, got lazy, and imploded soon as things started going bad

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, Obrien2Toon said:

What’s the common thing between the two?

They both went out and spent a boat load of money in free agency.

Guys got paid, got lazy, and imploded soon as things started going bad

very true. Now the Jets expelled a lot of the lazy vets and implanted hungry kids. 

[Beerfish]

Because the Giants and McaDoo are bad therefor bowles and the jets are good!

[dbatesman]

16 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Because the Giants and McaDoo are bad therefor bowles and the jets are good!

Really makes you think

[JoJoTownsell1]

18 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Because the Giants and McaDoo are bad therefor bowles and the jets are good!

Care to find the person that said that? It's just fun to revel in the Giants fans misery. Sorry if you are the only person in the world who doesn't experience schadenfreude.

[Fantasy Island]

Also historically we do well every other year

1999	1999	NFL	AFC	East	4th	8	8	0
2000	2000	NFL	AFC	East	3rd	9	7	0			Al Groh
2001	2001	NFL	AFC	East	3rd	10	6	0	Lost Wild Card Playoffs (Raiders) 38–24		Herman Edwards
2002	2002	NFL	AFC	East	1st	9	7	0	Won Wild Card Playoffs (Colts) 41–0 Lost Divisional Playoffs (Raiders) 30–10
2003	2003	NFL	AFC	East	4th	6	10	0
2004	2004	NFL	AFC	East	2nd	10	6	0	Won Wild Card Playoffs (Chargers) 20–17 (OT) Lost Divisional Playoffs (Steelers) 20–17 (OT)	Jonathan Vilma (DROY)
2005	2005	NFL	AFC	East	4th	4	12	0
2006	2006	NFL	AFC	East	2nd	10	6	0	Lost Wild Card Playoffs (Patriots) 37–16	Chad Pennington (CBPOY)	Eric Mangini
2007	2007	NFL	AFC	East	3rd	4	12	0
2008	2008	NFL	AFC	East	3rd	9	7	0
2009	2009	NFL	AFC	East	2nd	9	7	0	Won Wild Card Playoffs (Bengals) 24–14 Won Divisional Playoffs (Chargers) 17–14 Lost Conference Championship (Colts) 30–17		Rex Ryan
2010	2010	NFL	AFC	East	2nd	11	5	0	Won Wild Card Playoffs (Colts) 17–16 Won Divisional Playoffs (Patriots) 28–21 Lost Conference Championship (Steelers) 24–19
2011	2011	NFL	AFC	East	2nd	8	8	0
2012	2012	NFL	AFC	East	3rd	6	10	0
2013	2013	NFL	AFC	East	2nd	8	8	0		Sheldon Richardson (DROY)
2014	2014	NFL	AFC	East	4th	4	12	0
2015	2015	NFL	AFC	East	2nd	10	6	0			Todd Bowles
2016	2016	NFL	AFC	East	4th	5	11	0

[Beerfish]

9 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Care to find the person that said that? It's just fun to revel in the Giants fans misery. Sorry if you are the only person in the world who doesn't experience schadenfreude.

Because the defenders who usually have no answers always bring up the 'oh yeah! this team, coach, gm, player is really bad!' as a justification why our sad sack coach or gm are not as bad.

This op is one of the ones that likes to use that tact. 

[UntouchableCrew]

Definitely a lot of parallels. I'd say McAdoo is worse because that team has more talent and the team quitting on him is even more pronounced -- Jets quit on Bowles last year but there wasn't open revolt.

[JoJoTownsell1]

Just now, Beerfish said:

Because the defenders who usually have no answers always bring up the 'oh yeah! this team, coach, gm, player is really bad!' as a justification why our sad sack coach or gm are not as bad.

This op is one of the ones that likes to use that tact. 

Our coach is awful. Our GM is not. Sheldon Richardson for a second round pick was a steal. Adams and Maye are looking great. Anderson was a great find. Lee is turning into a really nice player. He picked up guys like ASJ/Ealy/Claiborne off the scrap heap. You can't just fire every coach that whiffs on a Desean Watson or drafts a bust QB like Hack or gives a big contract to a player that underperforms (Wilk). That happens to every GM. 

We have a young team playing above expectation, we have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds and we have a ton of cap space heading into next year. This isn't Idzik 2.0. Far from it. 

[RESNewYork]

2 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Our coach is awful. Our GM is not. Sheldon Richardson for a second round pick was a steal. Adams and Maye are looking great. Anderson was a great find. Lee is turning into a really nice player. He picked up guys like ASJ/Ealy/Claiborne off the scrap heap. You can't just fire every coach that whiffs on a Desean Watson or drafts a bust QB like Hack or gives a big contract to a player that underperforms (Wilk). That happens to every GM. 

We have a young team playing above expectation, we have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds and we have a ton of cap space heading into next year. This isn't Idzik 2.0. Far from it. 

How is the coach awful but the GM is not. Simply put if both are retained Bowles did much more for Mac by having the team overachieve. Mac didn't do Bowles or the caching staff any favors with the rosters he assembled 

[Sperm Edwards]

13 minutes ago, RESNewYork said:

How is the coach awful but the GM is not. Simply put if both are retained Bowles did much more for Mac by having the team overachieve. Mac didn't do Bowles or the caching staff any favors with the rosters he assembled 

See, it goes like this:

If a Jets player does well, it's because the GM shrewdly acquired him.

If a Jets player does poorly, it's because the HC didn't "put him in a position to succeed" and/or screwed up his development outright.

Heads I win, tails you lose.

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Obrien2Toon said:

What’s the common thing between the two?

 

Brandon Marshall on both squads. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

25 minutes ago, RESNewYork said:

How is the coach awful but the GM is not. Simply put if both are retained Bowles did much more for Mac by having the team overachieve. Mac didn't do Bowles or the caching staff any favors with the rosters he assembled 

So you're saying it's impossible for a GM to be good but a head coach to be bad? Interesting theory.

[#27TheDominator]

32 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Our coach is awful. Our GM is not. Sheldon Richardson for a second round pick was a steal. Adams and Maye are looking great. Anderson was a great find. Lee is turning into a really nice player. He picked up guys like ASJ/Ealy/Claiborne off the scrap heap. You can't just fire every coach that whiffs on a Desean Watson or drafts a bust QB like Hack or gives a big contract to a player that underperforms (Wilk). That happens to every GM. 

We have a young team playing above expectation, we have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds and we have a ton of cap space heading into next year. This isn't Idzik 2.0. Far from it. 

He has had three years.  Waiting that long to move Sheldon was a predictable disaster and a 2018 2nd equates to a 2015...  well, what is two rounds before the first?  Adams, Maye and Anderson seem like nice players, but great?  In three years?  Every GM has not drafted a bust like Hack. Hack in the 2nd is literally a Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell level whiff.  Yes, he was "only" a 2nd rounder, but he is not even good enough to dress.

Usually, when your young team is playing above expectations it is a sign the coach is doing more with less, not a good GM.  This may not be Idzik 2.0, but crowing about cap space?  Idzik handed him that ******* cap space when he go here and he sh*t it away and is paying a ton of dead money.  Mistakes made on guys he wanted gone in under three years.  WTF?  3 years is enough time to completely overhaul an NFL roster and he started with a blank slate and ****ed it up. We'll see how he does this time. 

1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

So you're saying it's impossible for a GM to be good but a head coach to be bad? Interesting theory.

I don't think it is impossible, but when a team is playing "above expectation" that is usually a sign that the coach is better than the GM.  

[RESNewYork]

4 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

So you're saying it's impossible for a GM to be good but a head coach to be bad? Interesting theory.

Come on. You know that's not what I'm saying. There are plenty examples of that and if you'e saying that' the case for the Jets you'e lying. Because you don' look at the Jets roster and say look at the talent, these players are underachieving.

If Mac gets an exstension he has the coaches to thank. Not the other way around. 

[ASH1962]

30 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Brandon Marshall on both squads. 

Geno Smith on both sides

[Jetlife33]

Mcadoo was such a lazy hire

[RedBeardedSavage]

Tough choice but I went Bowles 2016.

Would've liked to see Bowles suspend Marshall, Mo and Sheldon indefinitely last year like the Giants did with their corners this year.  But Bowles has bounced back considerably this year; even though he's just kinda went from zero to mediocrity.  I'd still love to see us bring in an offensive mind as head coach.

But I really Jerry Reese is worse than both.  That team he's building has spent so much on defense; has Odell Beckham and Eli Manning but the offensive line is absolutely atrocious - the reason their season fell apart.  They can't open holes and they cannot protect the quarterback.  The coach and the players all share the responsibility but wow Reese you fundamentally misunderstood what has been ailing your roster for the past five years.  

Take away one of those corners.  Take away Brandon Marshall.  Take away Eli Apple too.  Fill those needs in later in the draft or with bargain Free Agents.  Use that big corner money, the Brandon Marshall money and the Eli Apple pick on offensive lineman.  You could have a LT, a solid veteran guard or center and a first round talent to bolster that group and their season would be completely different.  

[BrickTamland]

For me, McCagnan has earned some good will because of his FA finds and strength in trading for players. He needs to hit at QB. ASAP. or his time will be over.

[20andOut]

It's not even close. McAdoo has totally lost it. His entire secondary just pulled a no show/mutiny on the field.

[rangerous]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

See, it goes like this:

If a Jets player does well, it's because the GM shrewdly acquired him.

If a Jets player does poorly, it's because the HC didn't "put him in a position to succeed" and/or screwed up his development outright.

Heads I win, tails you lose.

or the coach influenced the gm's draft pick.

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Tough choice but I went Bowles 2016.

Would've liked to see Bowles suspend Marshall, Mo and Sheldon indefinitely last year like the Giants did with their corners this year.  But Bowles has bounced back considerably this year; even though he's just kinda went from zero to mediocrity.  I'd still love to see us bring in an offensive mind as head coach.

But I really Jerry Reese is worse than both.  That team he's building has spent so much on defense; has Odell Beckham and Eli Manning but the offensive line is absolutely atrocious - the reason their season fell apart.  They can't open holes and they cannot protect the quarterback.  The coach and the players all share the responsibility but wow Reese you fundamentally misunderstood what has been ailing your roster for the past five years.  

Take away one of those corners.  Take away Brandon Marshall.  Take away Eli Apple too.  Fill those needs in later in the draft or with bargain Free Agents.  Use that big corner money, the Brandon Marshall money and the Eli Apple pick on offensive lineman.  You could have a LT, a solid veteran guard or center and a first round talent to bolster that group and their season would be completely different.  

and to think jerry reese was one of those great gm's when they lucked into that sb win a few years back.  he's done nothing for the giaints since he took over for acorsi.

[rangerous]

2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Definitely a lot of parallels. I'd say McAdoo is worse because that team has more talent and the team quitting on him is even more pronounced -- Jets quit on Bowles last year but there wasn't open revolt.

mcadoo has ELIte.  nuff said.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, rangerous said:

mcadoo has ELIte.  nuff said.

You mean ELIminated. 

[UnitedWhofans]

3 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Because the Giants and McaDoo are bad therefor bowles and the jets are good!

DId I say that or imply that?

[Beerfish]

25 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

DId I say that or imply that?

Yes, why else would you have made the post at all instead of just making a post about McAdoo and the giants.  Bowles has nothing to do with how bad McAdoo is unless one wants to stick him in the convo to make him look better.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Beerfish said:

Yes, why else would you have made the post at all instead of just making a post about McAdoo and the giants.  Bowles has nothing to do with how bad McAdoo is unless one wants to stick him in the convo to make him look better.

Two teams that play in the same stadium, that have gone through eerily similar situations. What sane person wouldn't make that connection?

[Integrity28]

4 hours ago, Obrien2Toon said:

What’s the common thing between the two?

 

Brandon Marshall.

[freestater]

Neither is the "worst". Bruce Coslett was the worst. 

[Charlie Brown]

Last year was bad for Bowels no doubt and no getting away from it. 

HOWEVER!!!!!

Ryan Fitzpatrick was one of the worst QBs not for just last year but for the last decade based on his total ineptitude!!!! He was a disgrace and I for one wanted him when they first got him so that he could push Geno Smith but I nor anyone who had followed his career would have ever brought him back the way and in the manner that the Jets did and Bowles was right in the mix of that nonsense so he can’t escape blame either.  

But no one was predicting SBs for the Jets like they were for the Jints so the Jints were worse by miles IMO.   

Alos McCofused press conference was a disgrace 

[section314]

Not even close. The Giants were picked by many to go to the Super Bowl. The Jets, in 2016, would have been lucky to get a wild card. McAdoo wins this in a landslide!