RESNewYork Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 MVP 1. Carson Wentz, Philadelphia: 79 points (9 first-place votes) 2. Tom Brady, New England: 77 (8 first-place votes) 3. Alex Smith, Kansas City: 43 (1 first-place vote) 4. Drew Brees, New Orleans: 18 5. Russell Wilson, Seattle: 17 6. Deshaun Watson, Houston: 12 7. Antonio Brown, Pittsburgh: 8 8(tie). Todd Gurley, L.A. Rams: 3 8(tie). Kareem Hunt, Kansas City: 3 8(tie). Matthew Stafford, Detroit: 3 11(tie). Jared Goff, L.A. Rams: 3 11(tie). Travis Kelce, Kansas City: 3 13(tie). Calais Campbell, Jacksonville: 1 13(tie). Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia: 113(tie). Josh McCown, N.Y. Jets: 1 DEFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 1. Marshon Lattimore, New Orleans: 47 points (15 first-place votes) 2. Tre'Davious White, Buffalo: 21 3. T.J. Watt, Pittsburgh: 17 (1 first-place vote)4. Jamal Adams, N.Y. Jets: 9 (1 first-place vote) 5. Malik Hooker, Indianapolis: 5 (1 first-place vote)6. Marcus Maye, N.Y. Jets: 3 7(tie). Myles Garrett, Cleveland: 2 7(tie). Carl Lawson, Cincinnati: 2 9(tie). Jarrad Davis, Detroit: 1 9(tie). Marcus Williams, New Orleans: 1 COACH OF THE YEAR 1. Sean McVay, L.A. Rams: 48 points (14 first-place votes) 2. Doug Pederson, Philadelphia: 25 (1 first-place vote) 3. Andy Reid, Kansas City: 10 4. Mike Zimmer, Minnesota: 7 (1 first-place vote) 5. Sean McDermott, Buffalo: 6 (1 first-place vote)6(tie). Todd Bowles, N.Y. Jets: 3 (1 first-place vote) 6(tie). Doug Marrone, Jacksonville: 3 6(tie). Sean Payton, New Orleans: 3 9. Bill Belichick, New England: 2 10. Bill O'Brien, Houston: 1 https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/08/midseason-mvp-rookie-year-defensive-player-year-coach-year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I have zero disagreements with the top picks in each category. MVP: I'd place Alex Smith over Tammy Brady (just because) Why is Fletcher Cox and Calais Campbell in the MVP discussion?? Homer reporters GM of the year for me .... Mickey Loomis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Yeah Adams and Maye.are going to knock each other out in award voting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Yea I don't disagree with any of the leaders in those categories. I do think Alex Smith should be 2nd for MVP though at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Buffalo traded down, picked Tredavious white and got an extra 1st rounder for next year. Brady is to high. Injury aside Watson should be higher imo the before and after watson snap shots showed how good he has been, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, Beerfish said: Buffalo traded down, picked Tredavious white and got an extra 1st rounder for next year. Brady is to high. Injury aside Watson should be higher imo the before and after watson snap shots showed how good he has been, Yes and then promptly fired the GM who did it. Not too smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Yeah Adams and Maye.are going to knock each other out in award voting lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: lmfao It’s true. I think Bill Barnwell mentioned it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: It’s true. I think Bill Barnwell mentioned it Oh wow, well in that case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: Oh wow, well in that case He gets paid to talk about it. You don’t. Hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Yes and then promptly fired the GM who did it. Not too smart What wasn't too smart? The pick or firing the GM? Maybe they should have held on to him forever because continuity is just so gosh darned important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: He gets paid to talk about it. You don’t. Hmmmm Actually I get paid more than he does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: Actually I get paid more than he does Talking about football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Talking about football? Talking, writing, grinding tape, the whole thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: What wasn't too smart? The pick or firing the GM? Maybe they should have held on to him forever because continuity is just so gosh darned important. Firing the GM. Especially given how they did it. In general, I think that’s a bad way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: Talking, writing, grinding tape, the whole thing Then what the hell are you doing here? You have the capabilities to start your own forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Then what the hell are you doing here? You have the capabilities to start your own forum I don’t know how to code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 By the end of the season I expect Adams to pull in a lot more first-place votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Firing the GM. Especially given how they did it. In general, I think that’s a bad way to do it. Doug Whaley? They should have kept him on? You didn't like the way they got rid of him? Did they owe him more respect based upon his comments that football is a game "humans are not supposed to play" or the porn/dirty joke he sent that got forwarded around to league officials? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: Doug Whaley? They should have kept him on? You didn't like the way they got rid of him? Did they owe him more respect based upon his comments that football is a game "humans are not supposed to play" or the porn/dirty joke he sent that got forwarded around to league officials? The first comment seems to be correct. The dirty joke is another story. But that’s not here nor there. Fire him before the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Yeah Adams and Maye.are going to knock each other out in award voting Plot twist: IK Enemkpali knocks them both out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 FIRE EVERYONE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 47 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The first comment seems to be correct. The dirty joke is another story. But that’s not here nor there. Fire him before the draft What "first comment." They extended him in 2016 and are paying him through 2019, why shouldn't he have to do some work. You think it is smarter to hire somebody new and and entirely new scouting department and give them a couple of months to prepare for the draft? It may not be super smart to have a lame duck running the draft, OTOH, they got an extra first and a CB that got more votes than both our safeties combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, #27TheDominator said: What "first comment." They extended him in 2016 and are paying him through 2019, why shouldn't he have to do some work. You think it is smarter to hire somebody new and and entirely new scouting department and give them a couple of months to prepare for the draft? It may not be super smart to have a lame duck running the draft, OTOH, they got an extra first and a CB that got more votes than both our safeties combined. The comment that football is a game humans aren’t born to play or whatever. That is true. As to your other point, the fact that we have 2 players in the top voting for DPOY is better than them having one. Strength in numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: The comment that football is a game humans aren’t born to play or whatever. That is true. As to your other point, the fact that we have 2 players in the top voting for DPOY is better than them having one. Strength in numbers The fact that they are 5-3 is better than our being 4-5. Just win, baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Hmmm.... thought Bowles would get a few more votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: The fact that they are 5-3 is better than our being 4-5. Just win, baby. Yes I’m sure they reveled in that after getting their asses kicked by the said inferior team In front of a national audience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, pdxgreen said: Hmmm.... thought Bowles would get a few more votes. Mike Zimmer is the quiet candidate. Doing a solid job in Minnesota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Yes I’m sure they reveled in that after gett By their asses kicked the said inferior team One thursday night Does losing to the Jets on a Thursday night prevent teams from making the playoffs? Cause I am pretty sure that having a losing record and being in last place with losses to every team in your division usually does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Does losing to the Jets on a Thursday night prevent teams from making the playoffs? Cause I am pretty sure that having a losing record and being in last place with losses to every team in your division usually does. Ask Seattle if having a losing record and having losses to teams in your division prevents teams from getting into the playoffs. That was a public humiliation that showed that even if the Bills do make the playoffs, I’m not sure if people will believe they are championship material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 16 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Ask Seattle if having a losing record and having losses to teams in your division prevents teams from getting into the playoffs. That was a public humiliation that showed that even if the Bills do make the playoffs, I’m not sure if people will believe they are championship material Are the Jets "championship material?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: Are the Jets "championship material?" If you seriously have to ask me that question, you don’t watch or pay attention. If you are being facetious, what’s your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: If you seriously have to ask me that question, you don’t watch or pay attention. If you are being facetious, what’s your point? Trying to understand yours. The Bills are not very good, but they are better than the Jets and appear to be in better shape moving forward. Even by using the stupid "awards" in this thread, their coach and rookie are rated higher. You can bash them, but I don't see why that would make any Jet fan feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Trying to understand yours. The Bills are not very good, but they are better than the Jets and appear to be in better shape moving forward. Even by using the stupid "awards" in this thread, their coach and rookie are rated higher. You can bash them, but I don't see why that would make any Jet fan feel better. I think the Bills might actually be in a tougher spot. They were setting up to try and get one off those top QBs. Instead they are contending for the playoffs. So what do they do? They are in the same position the Jets were in two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I think the Bills might actually be in a tougher spot. They were setting up to try and get one off those top QBs. Instead they are contending for the playoffs. So what do they do? They are in the same position the Jets were in two years ago. They have two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds in the upcoming draft. They are significantly better positioned to get a top QB (or anyone else) than we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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