dbatesman Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: They shouldn’t. At least if he plans to sit for two years. That’s a waste They should rebuild The Jets Way: pass on a good QB prospect now, bc you can always just get one later. smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, dbatesman said: They should rebuild The Jets Way: pass on a good QB prospect now, bc you can always just get one later. smart That's not the Jets Way. That's the Chiefs way. Chiefs who have not had a drafted QB win a game since 1987 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 BTW, this thread would have been up regardless of whether the Jets won or lost. Which just goes to show that some fans don't really even care about the Jets winning or losing. They just care about whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 59 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Extremely when they draft Rosen and he's out for the season after 2 games because they're oline makes ours look like the great wall of China. They draft Rosen and he sits for a year behind Eli. Eli gets beat up into retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, varjet said: They draft Rosen and he sits for a year behind Eli. Eli gets beat up into retirement. And their OL is still garbage. David Carr part II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: BTW, this thread would have been up regardless of whether the Jets won or lost. Which just goes to show that some fans don't really even care about the Jets winning or losing. They just care about whining. you don't have to post about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, peebag said: you don't have to post about everything. I have to in the factory of misery. Cleveland is the factory of sadness. The Jets are the factory of misery. Misery is darker and more anger based Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: I have to in the factory of misery. Cleveland is the factory of sadness. The Jets are the factory of misery. Misery is darker and more anger based see, you proved my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Mara has no problem moving Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: And their OL is still garbage. David Carr part II They can build a line by that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: They shouldn’t. At least if he plans to sit for two years. That’s a waste Who plans to sit for 2 years? How can you even make such a statement when you don't know which QB they will pick? Manning looks to be done at least with a rebuilding team. They will pick a QB and he will be starting by mid-season of next year. The writing is on the wall with todays loss and the Giants know it. Their players are pointing fingers at the coach, the GM is on the hot seat. They are primed to tear it all down and start from the ground up. The first block is the franchise QB and they will build on it. They will most likely have their pick of any of the QB's that come out. Only an idiot would pass on that chance. For all my dislike of that franchise the Giants have rarely been stupid when it comes to rebuilding from the ground up. I've watched them do it too often to think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said: Who plans to sit for 2 years? How can you even make such a statement when you don't know which QB they will pick? Manning looks to be done at least with a rebuilding team. They will pick a QB and he will be starting by mid-season of next year. The writing is on the wall with todays loss and the Giants know it. Their players are pointing fingers at the coach, the GM is on the hot seat. They are primed to tear it all down and start from the ground up. The first block is the franchise QB and they will build on it. They will most likely have their pick of any of the QB's that come out. Only an idiot would pass on that chance. For all my dislike of that franchise the Giants have rarely been stupid when it comes to rebuilding from the ground up. I've watched them do it too often to think otherwise. I say that because the only guy I can see that is plug and play is Darnold. Rosen will need a year or two. And that is the guy the Giants will get I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Apache 51 said: Mara has no problem moving Eli. Declaration or prediction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 21 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: That's not the Jets Way. That's the Chiefs way. Chiefs who have not had a drafted QB win a game since 1987 Thats what I mean. The Jets do it the smart way instead: build the team (safeties, inside linebackers, punter) and get the QB as the last piece. You can just get one whenever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: Thats what I mean. The Jets do it the smart way instead: build the team (safeties, inside linebackers, punter) and get the QB as the last piece. You can just get one whenever I would refer to OL and WRs but you get the idea. worked for Parcells and Rex, although no SUper Bowl, they got closer than Joe Walton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Declaration or prediction? I can't remember were I saw it on tv last week but he said something along those lines. I will try to find the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I would refer to OL and WRs but you get the idea. worked for Parcells and Rex, although no SUper Bowl, they got closer than Joe Walton exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: exactly Yep. You build the base and then you get the QB. Been done by Seattle, New England, Pittsburgh etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I wait for somebody to tell me a team that won a Super Bowl by starting with just a QB and then building around him. Maybe New Orleans and Green Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Highlights: Hundley, Packers take out Bears Video by FOX Sports The time has not yet come for Eli Manning to step down as the starting quarterback of the New York Giants, but it is drawing nearer. Although general manager Jerry Reese and head coach Ben McAdoo remain committed to Manning this season, it’s become apparent that the 36-year-old Manning is on the downside of his remarkable career. And while many of the team’s offensive struggles can be blamed on a poor offensive line and injuries at skill positions, Manning has not been without fault. Even after the conclusion of the 2016 season — a season in which the Giants finished with an 11-5 record — management acknowledged that the search for Manning’s successor had begun. That became even more evident when they selected quarterback Davis Webb in the third-round of the NFL Draft. But as the situation becomes more dire in New York, the search for the next franchise quarterback intensifies. And on Wednesday, ESPN reported that Giants scouts, under the direction of team ownership, have been instructed to look closely at the top quarterbacks entering the 2018 NFL Draft. As their season has spiraled out of control, the New York Giants have begun to prepare for their future by focusing on potential franchise quarterbacks who could be available in this year’s NFL draft. There was a directive given several weeks back by co-owner John Mara to start looking closely at the top college quarterbacks, multiple sources told ESPN. This occurred around the time it became apparent that the Giants’ season was headed nowhere, in part, because wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. would be out with a broken ankle. Vice president of player evaluation Marc Ross, who runs the Giants’ draft, personally went to scout UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen in recent weeks, sources said. Rosen is among the nation’s top prospects at the position. With a record of 1-7 entering Week 10, the Giants are in a race for the top pick in the draft alongside the winless Cleveland Browns and San Francisco 49ers, who they will visit on Sunday. So if things continue down this path for Big Blue, they will be in a position to go out and land their next potential franchise quarterback. What that means for Manning in 2018 remains to be seen, but he still has two years remaining on his current deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Apache 51 said: Highlights: Hundley, Packers take out Bears Video by FOX Sports The time has not yet come for Eli Manning to step down as the starting quarterback of the New York Giants, but it is drawing nearer. Although general manager Jerry Reese and head coach Ben McAdoo remain committed to Manning this season, it’s become apparent that the 36-year-old Manning is on the downside of his remarkable career. And while many of the team’s offensive struggles can be blamed on a poor offensive line and injuries at skill positions, Manning has not been without fault. Even after the conclusion of the 2016 season — a season in which the Giants finished with an 11-5 record — management acknowledged that the search for Manning’s successor had begun. That became even more evident when they selected quarterback Davis Webb in the third-round of the NFL Draft. But as the situation becomes more dire in New York, the search for the next franchise quarterback intensifies. And on Wednesday, ESPN reported that Giants scouts, under the direction of team ownership, have been instructed to look closely at the top quarterbacks entering the 2018 NFL Draft. As their season has spiraled out of control, the New York Giants have begun to prepare for their future by focusing on potential franchise quarterbacks who could be available in this year’s NFL draft. There was a directive given several weeks back by co-owner John Mara to start looking closely at the top college quarterbacks, multiple sources told ESPN. This occurred around the time it became apparent that the Giants’ season was headed nowhere, in part, because wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. would be out with a broken ankle. Vice president of player evaluation Marc Ross, who runs the Giants’ draft, personally went to scout UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen in recent weeks, sources said. Rosen is among the nation’s top prospects at the position. With a record of 1-7 entering Week 10, the Giants are in a race for the top pick in the draft alongside the winless Cleveland Browns and San Francisco 49ers, who they will visit on Sunday. So if things continue down this path for Big Blue, they will be in a position to go out and land their next potential franchise quarterback. What that means for Manning in 2018 remains to be seen, but he still has two years remaining on his current deal. Thank you. Rosen would be sitting for 2 years on his deal. And Rosen to me is not a plug and play QB. Now the Packers got away with it with Rodgers because it was a late first round pick. This is a top 3 pick. Having him sit one year is fair. Two years? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Thats what I mean. The Jets do it the smart way instead: build the team (safeties, inside linebackers, punter) and get the QB as the last piece. You can just get one whenever When everyone else is searching for that coverage-backer and lanky possession-burner, we're sitting in the weeds ready to pounce on any and all QBs who fall to the middle of the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Thank you. Rosen would be sitting for 2 years on his deal. And Rosen to me is not a plug and play QB. Now the Packers got away with it with Rodgers because it was a late first round pick. This is a top 3 pick. Having him sit one year is fair. Two years? no Word fam. Sacrifice one year for a decade plus of franchise QB play and perpetual playoff contention? Absolutely. Two years? GTFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, BroadwayJoe12 said: Word fam. Sacrifice one year for a decade plus of franchise QB play and perpetual playoff contention? Absolutely. Two years? GTFO. Not in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Mogglez said: If the Giants draft Josh Rosen while we go 6-10 and draft Minkah Fitzpatrick, I think I could actually f*cking lose it enough to stop watching the Jets for a minimum of 5 years. Especially if I have to listen to the Sunshine Squad tell me how this team's future is actually brighter than any other team in the NFL because we have Alex Smith and a newly drafted Lock Down CB so Bowles and Co. are in Super Bowl mode. We’re not going after A. Smith. My guess we get into a bidding war for Keenum. When we lose out, we can pay McCown $12M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Pcola said: We’re not going after A. Smith. My guess we get into a bidding war for Keenum. When we lose out, we can pay McCown $12M. That went out the door today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, BRONX DUDE said: GIANTS now in the position to get the #1 pick OUR BIGGEST NITEMARE. we suck. No, Cleveland is winless.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Not in New York. 29 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I say that because the only guy I can see that is plug and play is Darnold. Rosen will need a year or two. And that is the guy the Giants will get I think Is this a Jersey joke? Because that ain't cool man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, BroadwayJoe12 said: Is this a Jersey joke? Because that ain't cool man. Will get means hypothetical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I wait for somebody to tell me a team that won a Super Bowl by starting with just a QB and then building around him. Maybe New Orleans and Green Bay This is even more tautological than your usual bullsh*t. Getting a franchise QB involves a fair amount of luck, but mostly it involves adhering to best practices in scouting, drafting, player development, and roster management. Teams that are capable of drafting Super Bowl-winning QBs tend to be teams that are regularly stocking themselves with talented players at important positions, so there will naturally be a base of talent waiting for the QB. More importantly, this isn't a matter of choice. You're positing a scenario in which an NFL team's number comes up with a QB they have rated as a franchise-caliber guy on the board, and they look at their roster, decide they need another guard and a couple of receivers, and send in the safety card instead. This only occurs in a fantasy world where all of Maccagnan's dumbass moves and non-moves can be justified by pointing to some master plan you're revising week by week. Smart teams draft good players at key positions, jump on a QB when one becomes available, and become consistent playoff contenders. The Jets load up on JAGs at low-impact positions, stock their QB room with guys like Fitzpatrick and McCown and Petty and Hackenberg, then look around and wonder why they suck every year. There's no plan. The Jets are just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, dbatesman said: The Jets are just dumb. Then many other teams and people are dumb too. Otherwise why are safeties and lBers taken in the first round at all? I keep going back to this notion. Why do draft experts consistently put safeties and linebackers in the top ten rankings if they are not value positions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: That went out the door today Which means that we can get McCown for a discount. Spend a little of that savings to surround him with more talent, preferably on the defensive side of the ball. Big Mac ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Then many other teams and people are dumb too. Yes. Yes they are. It is my stated preference that the Jets stop being one of the dumb teams and start being one of the smart ones. Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Otherwise why are safeties and lBers taken in the first round at all? Because, as we've already agreed, many teams and people are dumb. Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Why do draft experts consistently put safeties and linebackers in the top ten rankings if they are not value positions? Because draft experts are literally the dumbest people on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: Yes. Yes they are. It is my stated preference that the Jets stop being one of the dumb teams and start being one of the smart ones. Because, as we've already agreed, many teams and people are dumb. Because draft experts are literally the dumbest people on earth. So why, if you are smarter than they are, are you not on television? You either are ugly ( for TV) lack writing skills (for news) or dont have a good work ethic? If these people are dumb. The same people by the way, who graded Macc's draft at a B, at least some of them did, Why do they have their jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: So why, if you are smarter than they are, are you not on television? You either are ugly ( for TV) lack writing skills (for news) or dont have a good work ethic? If these people are dumb. The same people by the way, who graded Macc's draft at a B, at least some of them did, Why do they have their jobs? You're asking me how it's possible that stupid people are employed in sports media? Is this a trick question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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