RESNewYork Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Giants are in such a better position going forward not even funny Enjoy 6-10 OK so we get to see how it plays out for both franchises going forward. You enjoy 6-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Who is happy we have McCown? Those that wanted wins this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Giants are in such a better position going forward not even funny Enjoy 6-10 We will see. That team is a dumpster fire this year and they have embarrassed themselves. I don't think its going to turn around as quickly as you think. They still have alot of problems including an Oline that is worse than the jets. The grass is always greener on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: lol. Are you realling going with the "They need to learn to win!" argument? So played out, and wrong. Young teams have gone from bad to good quickly in this league. Know what will help young players the most? Drafting a franchise QB. Young teams learn things very quickly with that. How will drafting yet another defensive player with the 9th pick help a young team, exactly? i'm all for getting a qb but if the oline isn't sorted out it doesn't matter. just about every loss happened because they couldn't run reliably. the way things are they can draft the top prospect and he'd be turned into david carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Nothing positive came from yesterday’s game but yesterday a lot of afc teams had a tough day leaving the afc wild card spots very much in play down the stretch http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=conf&season=2017-REG&split=Overall more importantly, if the season ended today they'd be drafting 10th. the only good thing is only 4 teams ahead of them would probably go after a qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, rangerous said: i'm all for getting a qb but if the oline isn't sorted out it doesn't matter. just about every loss happened because they couldn't run reliably. the way things are they can draft the top prospect and he'd be turned into david carr. Excellent example I wonder why no one seems to realize this, it is very basic football Where would Namath have been without Plunkett, Herman, Hill, etc. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 10:41 AM, kevinc855 said: Because all those young players would learn so much going 0-10. Tanking is the stupidest idea Playing these kids and going 0-16 would have been brilliant. Why? Because they still get to play and gain experience and we get the top pick, a chance to finally get a franchise QB. 0-16 or 4-12 who gives a hoot. Learning and Character building comes from struggling and adversity. If a player can’t deal with it then they need find another team or coaching philosophy. Make no mistake about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 kevin90210, We are way passed the "Jet up" stage. Time to shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Nothing positive came from yesterday’s game but yesterday a lot of afc teams had a tough day leaving the afc wild card spots very much in play down the stretch http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=conf&season=2017-REG&split=Overall OH COME ON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Nothing positive came from yesterday’s game but yesterday a lot of afc teams had a tough day leaving the afc wild card spots very much in play down the stretch http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=conf&season=2017-REG&split=Overall As painful as it is it's true. The league is literally that gawd awful this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, The Crusher said: As painful as it is it's true. The league is literally that gawd awful this year. Injuries have decimated many teams and bad coaching is the other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, RESNewYork said: OK so we get to see how it plays out for both franchises going forward. You enjoy 6-10. I’m not the one acting like 6-10 is this big accomplishment by Toilet Bowles and Wack you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 48 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said: We will see. That team is a dumpster fire this year and they have embarrassed themselves. I don't think its going to turn around as quickly as you think. They still have alot of problems including an Oline that is worse than the jets. The grass is always greener on the other side. Once they sign a Left Tackle and get rid of Ereck “The Bust” Flowers that OL will be looking better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Philc1 said: I’m not the one acting like 6-10 is this big accomplishment by Toilet Bowles and Wack you are When did I say or act like 6-10 was an accomplishment? Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, RESNewYork said: When did I say or act like 6-10 was an accomplishment? Where? Look you are one of the big Bowles/Macagnan it’s a rebuild guys. 6-10 and no qb yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Mike Maccagnan-Todd Bowles-Ryan Fitzpatrick-JoshMcCown have set this franchise back years and years............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Philc1 said: Look you are one of the big Bowles/Macagnan it’s a rebuild guys. 6-10 and no qb yay! So when did I say 6-10 was an accomplishment? And I was happy with no QB? You are one of the typical ones who make stuff up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, joewilly12 said: Mike Maccagnan-Todd Bowles-Ryan Fitzpatrick-JoshMcCown have set this franchise back years and years............... They all blow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Philc1 said: They all blow Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 10:41 AM, kevinc855 said: Because all those young players would learn so much going 0-10. Tanking is the stupidest idea Tanking is stupid. Extensively playing rookies and young players this year including at QB is NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Philc1 said: They all blow Blow is far too kind of a word for Bowles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, johnnysd said: Blow is far too kind of a word for Bowles. Extended baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Nothing positive came from yesterday’s game but yesterday a lot of afc teams had a tough day leaving the afc wild card spots very much in play down the stretch http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=conf&season=2017-REG&split=Overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 59 minutes ago, rangerous said: more importantly, if the season ended today they'd be drafting 10th. the only good thing is only 4 teams ahead of them would probably go after a qb. i dunno its a qb league. Everyone bashed last year’s draft class at qb yet 3 qbs went in the top 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, RESNewYork said: You dont feel "they need to learn to win" argument is valid? Why are the Giants getting credit. They have players texting reporters the team is giving up. Media is showing examples of players quitting on plays. The whole franchise looks to be crumbling and now are the laughing stock of the NFL. Are they developing anything right now? And this is what we want as Jets fans? Players quitting and giving losing effort? Darnold or Allen are going to walk into that locker room next season and turn the whole Giant organization around? And stop with the Giants are doing this on purpose. Because they are going to blow this whole thing up next season. Management and coaches are not trying to tank on purpose. No, I don't. Just because the Giants players aren't trying isn't an argument against tanking. This isn't about lack of effort from the players. The players ought to be trying all the time. You haven't seen the Cleveland Browns quitting on Hue Jackson yet. Tanking comes from front office/coaching decisions. It has little to do with the players on the field. A tanking team doesn't start a 38-year old QB and 32-year old RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, rangerous said: i'm all for getting a qb but if the oline isn't sorted out it doesn't matter. just about every loss happened because they couldn't run reliably. the way things are they can draft the top prospect and he'd be turned into david carr. I'd be in favor a spending a significant portion of our $90M or so cap space on bolstering the O-line, IF we draft a QB. What this idiotic franchise will likely end up doing, however, is signing Sam Bradford and making few improvements to the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, gEYno said: If the Jets win out, they will probably make the playoffs. This is true. WHEN they win out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No, I don't. Just because the Giants players aren't trying isn't an argument against tanking. This isn't about lack of effort from the players. The players ought to be trying all the time. You haven't seen the Cleveland Browns quitting on Hue Jackson yet. Tanking comes from front office/coaching decisions. It has little to do with the players on the field. A tanking team doesn't start a 38-year old QB and 32-year old RB. ITs not about the lack of effort? So Cleveland is doing it right? What have they won in forever? Who are the young players developing there? Who's their QB? I just don't understand why Giants and Browns get credit. One team is an absolute mess with players quitting. The other has not won or developed anything in forever. And Jet fans are jealous because they may get Darnold, Allen and both of those players guarantee nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, RESNewYork said: ITs not about the lack of effort? So Cleveland is doing it right? What have they won in forever? Who are the young players developing there? Who's their QB? I just don't understand why Giants and Browns get credit. One team is an absolute mess with players quitting. The other has not won or developed anything in forever. And Jet fans are jealous because they may get Darnold, Allen and both of those players guarantee nothing. I'm not giving the Giants credit. They're a mess, and I don't think Odell Beckham will ever be the same after his most recent injury. The Browns deserve patience. They went with a complete overhaul, attempting to go heavy on analytics. That kind of complete shift in philosophy doesn't produce results immediately. They have the youngest roster in the NFL and are getting both Corey Coleman and Josh Gordon back. Kizer also looked good last week. It'll be interesting to see what they can do. I also think Hue Jackson is an excellent coach. The running game dominated when he was OC in Cincinnati (with Jeremy Hill and Gio Bernard as his RBs, no less), and with the Raiders as a HC, they went 6-0 in the AFC West. Given time, the Browns will be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 There's a certain segment of fans that are the only ones you could believe would start a thread about playoffs after losing to another non-playoff team. I'll say this for them, they never disappoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 CHEER UP FAM, THE YOUNGINS ARE LEARNIN HOW TO WIN. FUTURE IS BRIGHT AS ALL HELL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Worth noting (if not mentioned already) that however close we still are to the 6th seed spot, we're even closer to the 15th seed spot. Colts are there now at 3-7, we're only one game up at 4-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, RoadFan said: kevin90210, We are way passed the "Jet up" stage. Time to shut up. That designation is for Raideraholic aka Raider90210. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 hours ago, RoadFan said: kevin90210, We are way passed the "Jet up" stage. Time to shut up. What is your solution? Curious to know if you have a logical solution besides the old and tired way of thinking a 1 pick is Jesus walking on water will save the franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 hours ago, The Crimson King said: Excellent example I wonder why no one seems to realize this, it is very basic football Where would Namath have been without Plunkett, Herman, Hill, etc. ? yep sherman plunkett. speaking of plunkett, there was another one who basically got run out of patsieland because he had a crap oline. jim plunkett used to take some beatings when he was a patsie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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