Jon Gruden says he may return to coaching

[JetFaninMI]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

you always brighten my day and I thank you for that.

It's not irrelevant, when a coach can ONLY win w/ ONE QB who happens to be the greatest of all time that should tell you something.  when a coach was a total failure until that QB became his starter(by injury) that should tell you something.

and it's a fact that BB has never won a SB w/o Bready, he's never even been to a conf title game w/o him, he's never won a div title w/o him, he's never won 2 playoff games w/o him but he has had 5 losing seasons in 7 w/o him.

Parcells took over the dregs of the league w/ each job and turned around 4 different franchise both w/ and w/o BB.  BB was an overrated DC b/c he had the greatest defensive player of all time and an overrated HC b/c he has the greatest QB of all time.  He's still great but if I was looking to turn my franchise around I'd hire BP not BB unless Brady came along w/ BB.  BP could win w/ ANYONE, BB could only win w/ the greatest QB of all time.

Junc logic: The belief that ones opinion defies fact.

Parcells had LT as well yet you give him credit for being this great coach. Parcells never won a Super Bowl without LT either. So your Junc logic applies to him as well. If it applies to BB it applies to Parcells. Going by your Junc Logic then Parcells was an overrated HC who never won a Super Bowl without LT or BB. What else ya got Juncboy?

[Philc1]

On 11/17/2017 at 10:03 AM, #27TheDominator said:

You guys like Jerry Reese?  Seriously?  I think he was reliant on Accorsi and Coughlin.  His draft picks included JPP and Beckham, but also Flowers, Apple, Amukamara, Phillips and Ross.  Not exactly murderer's row.  Do people still think that Adams was worth #6 if he turns into another Landon Collins?  I don't think Reese is the horror that most Giants fans do, but the idea that he is some slam dunk, good choice is ridiculous. 

Reese >>>>>> Macc 

 

 

not even close

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

so a guy that inherited a SB roster and misses the playoffs 7 of 9 seasons in a weak division is an upper echelon GM?

Reese killed the ‘07 draft part of why they won a SB he got Ahmad Bradshaw in round 7

[#27TheDominator]

9 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Reese >>>>>> Macc 

not even close

A high bar you set there.  

[Philc1]

2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

A high bar you set there.  

The highest.  Not anyone can whiff on 99% of draft picks and giv $230 million combined to duds like Wilk, Revis and Fitz and still be considered “good”

[nyjunc]

54 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

Junc logic: The belief that ones opinion defies fact.

Parcells had LT as well yet you give him credit for being this great coach. Parcells never won a Super Bowl without LT either. So your Junc logic applies to him as well. If it applies to BB it applies to Parcells. Going by your Junc Logic then Parcells was an overrated HC who never won a Super Bowl without LT or BB. What else ya got Juncboy?

Parcells did have LT and won 2 SBs with him.

he did make a SB w/o him and made the playoffs in 3 other places without him.

 

26 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Reese killed the ‘07 draft part of why they won a SB he got Ahmad Bradshaw in round 7

he did a great job rounding out the roster but those players were complimentary players.  thyat roster was 90% built already including the key guys that won that SB- Osi, Tuck, Strahan, Pierce, the OL, Jacobs, Toomer, Plax, the QB, etc...

[nyjunc]

36 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

The highest.  Not anyone can whiff on 99% of draft picks and giv $230 million combined to duds like Wilk, Revis and Fitz and still be considered “good”

who has whiffed on 99% of picks? and the contract she gave out were not bad.  the only one that can be questioned is Wilk as we could have used that money elsewhere but the guy who left for the giants doesn't seem to be having much of an impact this year, right?

[Philc1]

15 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Parcells did have LT and won 2 SBs with him.

he did make a SB w/o him and made the playoffs in 3 other places without him.

 

he did a great job rounding out the roster but those players were complimentary players.  thyat roster was 90% built already including the key guys that won that SB- Osi, Tuck, Strahan, Pierce, the OL, Jacobs, Toomer, Plax, the QB, etc...

We would kill for a draft even half as good as what Reese got in 2007.  You can minimize and call them complimentary they all played and contributed   And later on he got Nicks, Cruz, JPP, and the best WR arguably in the entire nfl

 

Even this year he got Evan Engram who is going to be a beast TE next 10 years

 

[Philc1]

Just now, nyjunc said:

who has whiffed on 99% of picks? and the contract she gave out were not bad.  the only one that can be questioned is Wilk as we could have used that money elsewhere but the guy who left for the giants doesn't seem to be having much of an impact this year, right?

Vast majority of Mac’s picks have sucked.  You think the Revis contract was good?  Lol that’s mighty fine kool aid

[#27TheDominator]

26 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Reese killed the ‘07 draft part of why they won a SB he got Ahmad Bradshaw in round 7

Killed?  Aaron Ross? That draft was stacked.  Bradshaw was a huge pickup for them, but he dropped because he was a criminal.  It worked out, but that is why he went when he did.  Smith and Boss were nice picks, but "killed?"  Jay Alford?  C'mon.  I think DeOssie is the only one that has made the pro bowl.  He's been there a decade, but when you spend a 4th on a long snapper that is to be expected. 

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

Killed?  Aaron Ross? That draft was stacked.  Bradshaw was a huge pickup for them, but he dropped because he was a criminal.  It worked out, but that is why he went when he did.  Smith and Boss were nice picks, but "killed?"  Jay Alford?  C'mon.  I think DeOssie is the only one that has made the pro bowl.  He's been there a decade, but when you spend a 4th on a long snapper that is to be expected. 

Or a second on a dud one trick WR from Ohio state or a second on a qb who can’t throw

 

Evan Engram is way better than anyone we drafted this year btdubs

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

We would kill for a draft even half as good as what Reese got in 2007.  You can minimize and call them complimentary they all played and contributed   And later on he got Nicks, Cruz, JPP, and the best WR arguably in the entire nfl

 

Even this year he got Evan Engram who is going to be a beast TE next 10 years

 

let's look at that draft, shall we?

round 1 Aaron Ross- average corner

round 2 Steve Smith- if he doesn't get hurt this would be a good pick but he only had 2 good seasons.

round 3 Jay Alford- gone after 2 seasons, out of the league after 3

round 4 Zak deossie- excellent long snapper but 4th rd for a long snapper?  we have had a great run of long snappers for decades w/o using a draft pick on one.

round 5 Kevin Boss- decent TE, career high of 42 recs(Jenkins has 39 for us in only 8 games this year)

round 6 Adam Koets- who?

round 7 Michael Johnson, average at best S only there for less than 4 yrs.

round 7 Ahmad Bradshaw- nice complimentary back.

 

his best pick was his last pick, the only long term quality player he drafted that year. this draft wasn't very good, a few complimentary parts for a team already put together.

 

1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

Vast majority of Mac’s picks have sucked.  You think the Revis contract was good?  Lol that’s mighty fine kool aid

remember we had to spend a ton of amount in offseason we got Revis, he structured it so we could move on after a year or 2.  Nothing wrong w/ that deal. you act like that deal set us back years, we had to spend and it almost got us a playoff app.

year 1 wasn't great but he did get leonard Williams

Jenkins and Lee are developing very nicely in their 2nd seasons, Edwards looks like decent P and Shell could be long term starting tackle- 2016 draft was a good one so far

this year is early but the Safeties look very good, McGuire a nice complimentary back(you were singing the praises of the giants GM for their complimentary players drafted), and the others a little early to tell.

Our drafts have not been bad under Macc.

[JustInFudge]

24 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

We would kill for a draft even half as good as what Reese got in 2007.  You can minimize and call them complimentary they all played and contributed   And later on he got Nicks, Cruz, JPP, and the best WR arguably in the entire nfl

 

Even this year he got Evan Engram who is going to be a beast TE next 10 years

 

So in the same draft the Jets pulled Revis and Harris, we'd would have killed to pull Aaron Ross and Steve Smith?  WTF?

That draft was awful for the Giants.

 

[JoJoTownsell1]

3 hours ago, nyjunc said:

so a guy that inherited a SB roster and misses the playoffs 7 of 9 seasons in a weak division is an upper echelon GM?

Some people view the Giants through rose colored glasses. Reese inherited a team with Eli Manning a "HOF" QB and he misses the playoffs 7 out 9 years and Jets fans think he is a great. If we had a GM that missed the playoffs 7 out of 9 years with a "HOF" QB there would be billboards calling for him to be fired (fluky SB win or not).  

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Or a second on a dud one trick WR from Ohio state or a second on a qb who can’t throw

 

Evan Engram is way better than anyone we drafted this year btdubs

Objection:  relevance.  Please explain how the Jets 2017 draft, or their 2nd round picks in 2015 and 2016 support the premise that Jerry Reese "killed the '07 draft."  What the **** are you going on about?  Was Evan Engram selected in 2007?

[Philc1]

On 11/20/2017 at 11:58 AM, #27TheDominator said:

Objection:  relevance.  Please explain how the Jets 2017 draft, or their 2nd round picks in 2015 and 2016 support the premise that Jerry Reese "killed the '07 draft."  What the **** are you going on about?  Was Evan Engram selected in 2007?

Because Reese is way better than Mac

[Philc1]

On 11/20/2017 at 10:51 AM, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Some people view the Giants through rose colored glasses. Reese inherited a team with Eli Manning a "HOF" QB and he misses the playoffs 7 out 9 years and Jets fans think he is a great. If we had a GM that missed the playoffs 7 out of 9 years with a "HOF" QB there would be billboards calling for him to be fired (fluky SB win or not).  

Jerry Reese teams have made the playoffs 4 times last ten years as opposed to zero for Macagnan 

 

but your “missed playoffs 7 out of 9” stat sounds cool even if not true

[nyjunc]

19 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Jerry Reese teams have made the playoffs 4 times last ten years as opposed to zero for Macagnan 

 

but your “missed playoffs 7 out of 9” stat sounds cool even if not true

again, reese took over a SB roster and made the playoffs only 2 of his first 4 seasons.  The Giants have made the playoffs just 2 times in the last 9 years but this is a GM we'd want?  Macc has been here only 2 seasons and inherited a mess compared to what reese inherited yet we still won 10 games year 1(the same amount of games the giants won year 1 for reese).

[nyjunc]

by the way, the Giants are not going to the playoffs this year so the 7 in 9 years counts this season.  In his 11 years as GM taking over a SB ready team he has made the playoffs 4 times in 11 seasons w/ what some will tell you was a HOF Coach in Coughlin(missed the last 6 of 7) and a HOF QB in Eli(I don't believe either belongs though Coughlin is at least a legit borderline candidate).

[#27TheDominator]

 

On 11/20/2017 at 11:58 AM, #27TheDominator said:

Objection:  relevance.  Please explain how the Jets 2017 draft, or their 2nd round picks in 2015 and 2016 support the premise that Jerry Reese "killed the '07 draft."  What the **** are you going on about?  Was Evan Engram selected in 2007?

 

39 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Because Reese is way better than Mac

Joe Montana is better than Mark Sanchez.  Equally relevant to the discussion and my comments.

[flgreen]

On 11/13/2017 at 7:11 PM, Ken Shroy said:

Yep and they get big bucks and with a little success they are treated like kings.

Yep.  If a football coach is at a point in his life that he want's big bucks, and some what of a low key life style.  Coach a Southern football school for big bucks.  

You don't even have to win a National Championship.  Just keep your team ranked, always make a Bowl game of some type, and every 5 years or so make a faux run at a title.  If the stars are aligned, and you happen to get a gifted QB and win a National Championship, OMG  people actually bow to you in the street.  LOL

Man that would be my dream job

[BigO]

On 11/13/2017 at 4:25 PM, UnitedWhofans said:

He's not coming here. In fact I can see him going back to Tampa

Tennessee looks like a better fit, a different challenge and a team with better overall talent. Who would you rather mentor, cool slick Mariotta or crazy crab ? Wintston. 

[Freemanm]

On 11/13/2017 at 4:46 PM, The Walrus said:

Would prefer Brian Billick, but he's 10 years out. I can understand the whole expectation over the years about Gruden, Billick, Cowher returning but it's been a long time out for all of them and doubt any are coming back.

I do think Gruden was fired before his time and would actually consider the Jets if the money was right. The Jets have a ton of cap space and some of the pieces in place, I think they need to hire a veteran HC  instead of an unproven assistant.