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Mac gets crucified on this site for just about everything thing he has done and IMO he has done some good things that he is not given credit for like some of the players he has signed and have performed well among other things. I don't think his drafting is all that bad either although he has made his share of mistakes just like most GM's. 

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Just now, RevisIsland610 said:

Mac gets crucified on this site for just about everything thing he has done and IMO he has done some good things that he is not given credit for like some of the players he has signed and have performed well among other things. I don't think his drafting is all that bad either although he has made his share of mistakes just like most GM's. 

His best trait as a GM is scouting the waiver wire. His worst trait, so far as I see it, is big money acquisitions. But that’s is dependent partially on the market

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19 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

ASJ's numbers are not bad but they are not amazing either. Solid, average to above-average tight end. He strikes me as a guy that is going to get paid based on perception and some serious hype, and I'm not sure that's a good idea considering the market is probably going to put his salary with guys like Fleener and the rest. If you can hit on a mid-rounder at that position you can notch similar production to what he's giving at probably 1/5th the price.

I'm sure this will be taken as hatred, but it's really not. ASJ was a nice addition, but I think the fanbase and way more importantly this franchise are already vastly overvaluing his worth. We should not be paying players like this at lower value positions lots of money. It's a surefire way to crashland straight into ****sville.

I don't think ASJ will command a lot of $ given his history and not flashy numbers. I don't want to see the Jets spend a mid round pick on a TE. The daft picks should be going to OL, QB, RB, CB. I'd even take 3 OL as the line is just that bad. Plus you still have Legget to develop.

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35 minutes ago, billo83 said:

I don't think ASJ will command a lot of $ given his history and not flashy numbers. I don't want to see the Jets spend a mid round pick on a TE. The daft picks should be going to OL, QB, RB, CB. I'd even take 3 OL as the line is just that bad. Plus you still have Legget to develop.

My point is he may command more money than he's worth because of the position. Maybe he doesn't, and that would be great. But if he does this is not the type of player that you pay. If the market sets him at Fleener, that has to be a pass. That the Jets have cap room to spend does not give them license to spend it frivolously.  A key component to building a sustainable team - defined as having rosters that can compete for the playoffs annually - is to have players on contracts that are cheaper than the results they give you on the field. The most surefire way to accomplish that aspect is to concentrate your cheap resources on the positions that can yield successful results; i.e. the positions that are easier to find than quarterbacks, blindside protectors, pass rushers, corners...etc. The consequence of not doing this is that you pay tight ends and use high picks on linebackers and safeties, cutting yourself off at the knees.

With respect to skill positions that the Jets need, this is exactly where the Jets have gone wrong and it is why they are down on literally all of them. That's what you use high picks on because the draft is about playing the odds. Cheap OL come be found the mid-rounds, cheap safeties and tight ends come in the mid-rounds...etc. The odds of finding an average player at lower value positions in the 3rd through 5th/6th rounds are exponentially higher than finding a quarterback or a corner.

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4 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

My point is he may command more money than he's worth because of the position. Maybe he doesn't, and that would be great. But if he does this is not the type of player that you pay. If the market sets him at Fleener, that has to be a pass. That the Jets have cap room to spend does not give them license to spend it frivolously.  A key component to building a sustainable team - defined as having rosters that can compete for the playoffs annually - is to have players on contracts that are cheaper than the results they give you on the field.

With respect to skill positions that the Jets need, this is exactly where the Jets have gone wrong and it is why they are down on literally all of them. That's what you use high picks on because the draft is about playing the odds. Cheap OL come be found the mid-rounds, cheap safeties and tight ends come in the mid-rounds...etc. The odds of finding an average player at lower value positions in the 3rd through 5th/6th rounds are exponentially higher than finding a quarterback or a corner.

I agree about giving top $ to ASJ - but I just don't see him getting that kind of $ n FA given his history. We shall see...

 

As far as OL - to me it all starts in the trenches and the Jets are god awful there. Outside of QB or edge rusher, I want the Jets to take OL in the high rounds and build a strong OL. I wouldn't be opposed to using 3 picks there (depending on what they do in FA).

 

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On 11/17/2017 at 1:43 PM, Steveg said:

CB Morris Claiborne

2017 Salary: $5 million

Besides dealing with the injury bug that has hampered him his whole career over the past couple of weeks, Claiborne has been the No. 1 corner that the Jets needed after last year’s disaster in the secondary.

Maccagnan took a chance on bringing in the injury-riddled Claiborne and his gamble has paid dividends. While his injury history remains a cause for concern moving forward, Maccagnan should extend Claiborne as soon as possible in order to avoid a bidding war for his services in free agency.

LB Demario Davis

2017 Salary: $2.2 million

When the Jets re-acquired Demario Davis in a trade with the Cleveland Browns this summer, nobody could’ve expected the linebacker was going to be this good for the Jets in 2017.

Davis is a changed man in his second stint with the Jets, leading the team with 82 tackles through 10 games while taking an increased leadership role, specifically taking second-year linebacker Darron Lee under his wing.

Not only does his play warrant an extension, but Davis’ newfound leadership skills should make bringing him back for 2018 and beyond a priority for the front office.

TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins

2017 Salary: $1.3 million

With the way that Seferian-Jenkins has played this season, bringing the tight end back into the Jets offense was the best decision Todd Bowles has made in his time with the Jets.

The 25-year-old leads the Jets in receptions with 39 and provides McCown with a reliable red zone target when needed. Seferian-Jenkins has dealt with some well-publicized problems in the past, but he is young and has proven that he has not only cleaned up his act, but improved his game as well.

The strides that he has made while in New York should be celebrated and Maccagnan should reward Seferian-Jenkins with a contract extension.

K Chandler Catanzaro

2017 Salary: $900,000

Catanzaro has gone from an inaccurate, unreliable kicker with the Arizona Cardinals to a stud for the Jets in 2017, nailing 16 of 20 field goals so far this season.

Like almost every other player on this list, Catanzaro is relatively young at 26 and deserves to be brought back for the 2018 season.

DE Kony Ealy

2017 Salary: $886,707

Ealy came to New York later than anybody on this list but has made almost the same, if not more, of an impact in his time with the Jets.

He has helped to improve the Jets pass rush and leads the league in passes batted down at the line of scrimmage by defensive linemen with nine. At 25 years old, Ealy could be an integral part of the Jets defense for years to come and Maccagnan should realize this and pounce on the opportunity to extend his contract.

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4 hours ago, RevisIsland610 said:

Mac gets crucified on this site for just about everything thing he has done and IMO he has done some good things that he is not given credit for like some of the players he has signed and have performed well among other things. I don't think his drafting is all that bad either although he has made his share of mistakes just like most GM's. 

These mostly forgettable players are among his crowning achievements after 3 years, some 25-30 draft picks spent (including those traded away), and some $300m in contracts awarded.

He doesn't get crucified for everything he has done. Just the bad things. It's not the JN posters' faults that more than 90% of the things he's done (and passed up on doing) are bad things.

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On ‎11‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 2:42 PM, Apache 51 said:

Did you create this break down?

No, just copied from an article.

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On 11/18/2017 at 12:24 PM, UnitedWhofans said:

His best trait as a GM is scouting the waiver wire. His worst trait, so far as I see it, is big money acquisitions. But that’s is dependent partially on the market

Well that and all his drafting sucks d-ck

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On 11/18/2017 at 4:30 PM, Sperm Edwards said:

These mostly forgettable players are among his crowning achievements after 3 years, some 25-30 draft picks spent (including those traded away), and some $300m in contracts awarded.

He doesn't get crucified for everything he has done. Just the bad things. It's not the JN posters' faults that more than 90% of the things he's done (and passed up on doing) are bad things.

Yeah but Idzik

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I think Davis and ASJ should be the main targets we'd like to lock up. (I'd like to see 3 year deals with all the guaranteed money coming in the first 2) I do think it will cost more than @Sperm Edwards would like to pay so I don't foresee a situation where you'll be happy with us retaining them. With Claiborne I'd be willing to let him test FA, I wouldn't mind a 3 year incentive based deal that pays him when healthy. I do think that we should go out and try to find another CB regardless. I'd like to keep Ealy but if he's looking for Hankins kind of money then he can leave. I don't see why we wouldn't bring back Catanzaro, we can always bring in competition in camp if needed.

Assuming we cut Mo, Skrine, & Forte we should be sitting close to $90M in cap. So while I don't want us to go crazy with contracts I would like us to keep our guys so there are less holes come draft time.

I think the biggest downer for me is I don't think there will be any pass rushers that hit FA, I'd be more than happy to break the bank for Ziggy but I'd have to imagine he gets tagged. Outside of our own FAs I'd like to see us inquire about Le'Veon Bell, Jarvis Landry & Trumaine Johnson. If we retain our current draft picks, I'd like to see us go:

1) QB

2a) Pass Rusher

2b) Center

3) Pass Rusher

Ideally we finish with a bad enough record and like multiple QBs so we don't NEED to trade up but if we are locking in on 1 or 2 guys I hope Macc is willing to do what is needed to get that QB. 

*Side Note = Does anyone know how much cap are we allowed to roll over into the following year? Is there a certain amount we are required to spend this offseason?

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3 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

I think Davis and ASJ should be the main targets we'd like to lock up. (I'd like to see 3 year deals with all the guaranteed money coming in the first 2) I do think it will cost more than @Sperm Edwards would like to pay so I don't foresee a situation where you'll be happy with us retaining them. With Claiborne I'd be willing to let him test FA, I wouldn't mind a 3 year incentive based deal that pays him when healthy. I do think that we should go out and try to find another CB regardless. I'd like to keep Ealy but if he's looking for Hankins kind of money then he can leave. I don't see why we wouldn't bring back Catanzaro, we can always bring in competition in camp if needed.

Assuming we cut Mo, Skrine, & Forte we should be sitting close to $90M in cap. So while I don't want us to go crazy with contracts I would like us to keep our guys so there are less holes come draft time.

I think the biggest downer for me is I don't think there will be any pass rushers that hit FA, I'd be more than happy to break the bank for Ziggy but I'd have to imagine he gets tagged. Outside of our own FAs I'd like to see us inquire about Le'Veon Bell, Jarvis Landry & Trumaine Johnson. If we retain our current draft picks, I'd like to see us go:

1) QB

2a) Pass Rusher

2b) Center

3) Pass Rusher

Ideally we finish with a bad enough record and like multiple QBs so we don't NEED to trade up but if we are locking in on 1 or 2 guys I hope Macc is willing to do what is needed to get that QB. 

*Side Note = Does anyone know how much cap are we allowed to roll over into the following year? Is there a certain amount we are required to spend this offseason?

If we're going to bring them back next year, then why aren't they extended already? The maximum they're going to be is after the season's over. But then, that's this GM's m-o. 

The FA QB route is too convenient and fits what he likes to do too well to not see that as the likely outcome. We'll find out for sure in 5-6 months, of course, but that's how things look to me right now. Really depends upon how available Cousins is. If Washington extends him, it necessarily drives up the price for Smith (if he's even available; for all we know KC's going to end up in the SB with him at QB). 

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On 11/18/2017 at 12:13 PM, RutgersJetFan said:

That the Jets have cap room to spend does not give them license to spend it frivolously. 

So, uh, do you guys wanna tell him, or should I

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41 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

If we're going to bring them back next year, then why aren't they extended already? The maximum they're going to be is after the season's over. But then, that's this GM's m-o. 

The FA QB route is too convenient and fits what he likes to do too well to not see that as the likely outcome. We'll find out for sure in 5-6 months, of course, but that's how things look to me right now. Really depends upon how available Cousins is. If Washington extends him, it necessarily drives up the price for Smith (if he's even available; for all we know KC's going to end up in the SB with him at QB). 

I think there will be other options as well. Taylor whom nobody really wants.

Keenum who is earning a ton of money right now in Minnesota for the future

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3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

If we're going to bring them back next year, then why aren't they extended already? The maximum they're going to be is after the season's over. But then, that's this GM's m-o.

I think the reason is because we didn't know if ASJ would stay out of trouble, we didn't know if Claiborne would stay healthy, and I'm sure they wanted to see a productive season from Davis and Ealy before extending. We'll have 2 months between when the season ends and FA begins to discuss contracts which allows for us to see if they'll stay healthy/continue to play at a sustained level. It's a gamble for both sides because we can offer something before they are allowed to negotiate with other teams, if they decide to test the market then they could get lucky and have teams bid for their services or they could fall flat and not be offered as much. I think ASJ is the only player that we could get into some sort of bidding war for if we allow to actually hit FA but I could see us tag him. 

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On 11/17/2017 at 1:43 PM, Steveg said:

CB Morris Claiborne

2017 Salary: $5 million

Besides dealing with the injury bug that has hampered him his whole career over the past couple of weeks, Claiborne has been the No. 1 corner that the Jets needed after last year’s disaster in the secondary.

Maccagnan took a chance on bringing in the injury-riddled Claiborne and his gamble has paid dividends. While his injury history remains a cause for concern moving forward, Maccagnan should extend Claiborne as soon as possible in order to avoid a bidding war for his services in free agency.

LB Demario Davis

2017 Salary: $2.2 million

When the Jets re-acquired Demario Davis in a trade with the Cleveland Browns this summer, nobody could’ve expected the linebacker was going to be this good for the Jets in 2017.

Davis is a changed man in his second stint with the Jets, leading the team with 82 tackles through 10 games while taking an increased leadership role, specifically taking second-year linebacker Darron Lee under his wing.

Not only does his play warrant an extension, but Davis’ newfound leadership skills should make bringing him back for 2018 and beyond a priority for the front office.

TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins

2017 Salary: $1.3 million

With the way that Seferian-Jenkins has played this season, bringing the tight end back into the Jets offense was the best decision Todd Bowles has made in his time with the Jets.

The 25-year-old leads the Jets in receptions with 39 and provides McCown with a reliable red zone target when needed. Seferian-Jenkins has dealt with some well-publicized problems in the past, but he is young and has proven that he has not only cleaned up his act, but improved his game as well.

The strides that he has made while in New York should be celebrated and Maccagnan should reward Seferian-Jenkins with a contract extension.

K Chandler Catanzaro

2017 Salary: $900,000

Catanzaro has gone from an inaccurate, unreliable kicker with the Arizona Cardinals to a stud for the Jets in 2017, nailing 16 of 20 field goals so far this season.

Like almost every other player on this list, Catanzaro is relatively young at 26 and deserves to be brought back for the 2018 season.

DE Kony Ealy

2017 Salary: $886,707

Ealy came to New York later than anybody on this list but has made almost the same, if not more, of an impact in his time with the Jets.

He has helped to improve the Jets pass rush and leads the league in passes batted down at the line of scrimmage by defensive linemen with nine. At 25 years old, Ealy could be an integral part of the Jets defense for years to come and Maccagnan should realize this and pounce on the opportunity to extend his contract.

The kicker by all accounts shouldn’t even have made the team this year. There was a kid who did sales for ibm who outplayed him in the preseason. What an odd choice for your list. 

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6 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

No it doesn’t. I’ve seen John idzik draft. That was bad drafting

More than one guy can't draft like sh*t?  This is like saying that Jerry Reese is a great GM because he is better than Maccagnan.

3 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I think there will be other options as well. Taylor whom nobody really wants.

Keenum who is earning a ton of money right now in Minnesota for the future

I think teams will want Taylor.  Plenty.  Is the Keenum thing a typo?  He makes $2M.  If that is a ton, how do you support giving an old stiff three times as much?

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"Deserve" is a strong word.  For the part part, these players have performed up to expectations.  I don't see anyone on the list that has blown past expectations and should be signed at all costs.  They are all replaceable, and they all continue to have question marks.

1. Claiborne - Injury concerns haven't disappeared after only 10 games.  Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.

2. Davis - By all accounts, a good leader.  I'd like to see him continue in his progression.  He had some shaky performances early in the season.  I'm not a huge fan of giving a big contract to a thumper in the middle, especially one who has some mileage on him already.  It's a young man's game.

3. ASJ - Seems to have cleaned up his life, but a troubled past can't be completely discounted so quickly.  A relapse is possible (especially after a big contract), and he's one strike away from a lengthy suspension.  He has shown some flashes of being a terrific player, but he's also had his fair share of drive crippling penalties.

4. Catanzaro -  A "stud" by going 16/20?  That's a stretch.  Those numbers are average, just enough to keep a job in today's NFL.

5. Ealy - He's done well, but battled passes at the line can be a very streaky, fluky type of stat.  I'm not a huge fan of giving yet another run stuffing DE a big contract.  He's a decent role player, that's about it.

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22 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

I think the reason is because we didn't know if ASJ would stay out of trouble, we didn't know if Claiborne would stay healthy, and I'm sure they wanted to see a productive season from Davis and Ealy before extending. We'll have 2 months between when the season ends and FA begins to discuss contracts which allows for us to see if they'll stay healthy/continue to play at a sustained level. It's a gamble for both sides because we can offer something before they are allowed to negotiate with other teams, if they decide to test the market then they could get lucky and have teams bid for their services or they could fall flat and not be offered as much. I think ASJ is the only player that we could get into some sort of bidding war for if we allow to actually hit FA but I could see us tag him. 

I was talking about right now. A week or two ago, today, tomorrow.

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49 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I was talking about right now. A week or two ago, today, tomorrow.

It's because aside from free agency, none of the players have a reason to sign now unless we "overpay".

There have been less then 10 re-signings since the season started, highlighted by Telvin Smith, Steven Tuitt, Donald Penn and recently Larry Fitz.  That is very few considering how many players have FA coming up.  

We also have no idea what conversations Mac has had with the agents of these guys.  There is no way we have approached Clairbrone while he is currently hurt (again).  Ealy also has had some motor questions throughout his career, that may keep a potential "FA frenzy" for him from being a big issue.

DD and ASJ are players that I hope Mac has approached to let know he would like them to be here and gave some parameters as far as where the Jets are contract wise with an offer to guarantee them future money in case they get hurt over the last few weeks.

I just dont think its as easy as people think to extend guys before they hit FA.

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On 11/20/2017 at 11:17 AM, UnitedWhofans said:

No it doesn’t. I’ve seen John idzik draft. That was bad drafting

Devin Smith, Hackenberg and just about every pick not named Leonard Williams (who we passed Beasley for) say what up

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23 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I think there will be other options as well. Taylor whom nobody really wants.

Keenum who is earning a ton of money right now in Minnesota for the future

Watch your boy Macc give Keenum a $60 million contract

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I was talking about right now. A week or two ago, today, tomorrow.

I think my comment still stands. Why extend mid season when the player could potentially get hurt or decline. I don't think any of their value will go up much between now and FA.

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41 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I think my comment still stands. Why extend mid season when the player could potentially get hurt or decline. I don't think any of their value will go up much between now and FA.

Because its technically easier to negotiate with a player when no one else is bidding for them.  The issue is for the player and especially the agent, its better for them to have interest from other teams to drive the price, which is why in season extensions dont happen very often.

Plus, as far as injuries, given that we are 9 months from opening day, there are very few injuries that would hurt the Jets as far as not having the player for the start of the season.  The player on the other hand risks having to negotiate a contract while hurt which is bad for them (obviously).

We do have players who IMO are good candidates for extensions now, but its not an easy thing for Mac to do.

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2 hours ago, BCJet said:

It's because aside from free agency, none of the players have a reason to sign now unless we "overpay".

There have been less then 10 re-signings since the season started, highlighted by Telvin Smith, Steven Tuitt, Donald Penn and recently Larry Fitz.  That is very few considering how many players have FA coming up.  

We also have no idea what conversations Mac has had with the agents of these guys.  There is no way we have approached Clairbrone while he is currently hurt (again).  Ealy also has had some motor questions throughout his career, that may keep a potential "FA frenzy" for him from being a big issue.

DD and ASJ are players that I hope Mac has approached to let know he would like them to be here and gave some parameters as far as where the Jets are contract wise with an offer to guarantee them future money in case they get hurt over the last few weeks.

I just dont think its as easy as people think to extend guys before they hit FA.

This nonsense is regurgitated every time Maccagnan doesn't re-sign someone while other teams' GMs do. Most of them do these signings before the season starts, and don't wait until the season is underway.

The reason is there are several games left in which they can get injured right before they hit free agency.

Can you name 1 player he's re-signed, in 3 seasons, where he didn't wait until after the final game was played to lock up the player? Name another NFL team that's had that record of ineptitude.

You may doubt the "ease" all you want, but across the league, the majority of veterans retained by their teams were extended prior to their last contracts expired. The Maccagnan Jets are the rare exception, not the rule.

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57 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I think my comment still stands. Why extend mid season when the player could potentially get hurt or decline. I don't think any of their value will go up much between now and FA.

Players don't get hurt more than they do get hurt. The risk is there, but the likelihood is we'll end up on top in the long run. 

It's precisely the reason most teams do extend their players before their current contracts expire (unless they didn't really want to extend the player in the first place, or didn't want to extend the player at the new amount he commands).

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On 11/18/2017 at 5:33 AM, Hael said:

He's the best player on our defense this year.  When he's off the field or struggling with an injury all of a sudden our D goes from being average to really bad in a hurry.

He's going to be payed like a top 10 cb next year, so its likely that we won't be able to keep him (it doesn't make sense to pay a high price cb FA for a rebuilding team).

The ones to pay are ASJ, Ealy and Catanzaro and Davis.  They're all young, have some debt towards us and can still be had for less than market rate.

There is no way in hell Claiborne is getting top 10 CB money! Not with his injury history. 

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