Beerfish Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I don’t really buy that. I don’t think the Giants have extra picks to try and do it. They need an OL first. Eh? The Giants where they are now are in a position to draft one of the top 2 without trading up, the jets have to trade up and cough up some significant draft picks. Thus they are better positioned to get the qb and address oline over the next two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Just now, Paradis said: What the fck? I'm the same age as McCown -- does that mean you'll lump me in the same category as Manning too? The hell are you talking about? This year the Jets and Giants are similar situations with their QBs. And interestingly, if the Giants do draft a QB., they will have essentially wasted a second round pick in Davis Webb. Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Looks like Duck Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Paradis said: Difference is they have a QB. Aging, yes, but he can win games behind a good offense. Not the same situations IMO But do you pass up a chance at a franchise QB for the next 10-12 years to try to make one last run with an aging, mediocre QB and a flawed roster. Or do you press the reset button, move on from Eli and build around a new guy. Especially if you are a new GM with a new HC and a 1 or 2 overall pick. You can address OL in Rd 2 or FA. If it is me, I am not passing on the QB. If Eli was 27, thats another story, but at 37, what are the chances he has another magical post season run in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Eh? The Giants where they are now are in a position to draft one of the top 2 without trading up, the jets have to trade up and cough up some significant draft picks. Thus they are better positioned to get the qb and address oline over the next two years. No. Because they have to prove they can draft competent OL. It’s the same reason Browns fans shouldn’t be happy about having so much draft captial. They haven’t shown that they can use it properly. The Jets also almost to the same extent, but I give us a better chance on hitting pick than Cleveland. Giants should have a new GM so we will see about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Eh? The Giants where they are now are in a position to draft one of the top 2 without trading up, the jets have to trade up and cough up some significant draft picks. Thus they are better positioned to get the qb and address oline over the next two years. still not following. How is NYG in a great spot? By burning the #2 pick on a QB they don't quite need yet, while pushing other need down/into the future? That's a great spot? -- better than trading back and addressing those needs now and getting a head start on that? You have to be pretty sold a quarterback you plan to sit behind Eli for anywhere from a year to years plural. Not saying it's nonsensical, but i think everyone's getting ahead of themselves with predicting what the Giants will do. *edit - nvm, i see what you meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Just now, Paradis said: still not following. How is NYG in a great spot? By burning the #2 pick on a QB they don't quite need yet, while pushing other need down/into the future? That's a great spot? -- better than trading back and addressing those needs now and getting a head start on that? You have to be pretty sold a quarterback you plan to sit behind Eli for anywhere from a year to years plural. Not saying it's nonsensical, but i think everyone's getting ahead of themselves with predicting what the Giants will do. I am saying they are in a better spot than we are in. Manning is close to being done. He simply has shown no more than the guy we are playing now. They won't have to trade up, we will they will have a pick this year and picks next year to address the oline, we won't They have their #1 wr, they have a budding TEs star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Lith said: But do you pass up a chance at a franchise QB for the next 10-12 years to try to make one last run with an aging, mediocre QB and a flawed roster. Or do you press the reset button, move on from Eli and build around a new guy. Especially if you are a new GM with a new HC and a 1 or 2 overall pick. You can address OL in Rd 2 or FA. If it is me, I am not passing on the QB. If Eli was 27, thats another story, but at 37, what are the chances he has another magical post season run in him. I personally can't see them "moving on from Eli"... not unless they felt the ground moving beneath their feet when scouting one of these guys. I don't think they'll have a crack at the top guy, and personally see the team using this opportunity to trade back, start to address their roster needs and stave off that QB pick another year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: No. Because they have to prove they can draft competent OL. It’s the same reason Browns fans shouldn’t be happy about having so much draft captial. They haven’t shown that they can use it properly. The Jets also almost to the same extent, but I give us a better chance on hitting pick than Cleveland. Giants should have a new GM so we will see about them Wut? They have drafted bad therefore its bad to have draft resources. Makes a sh*t ton of sense son. Well in that case the jets don't need any picks because mac has whiffed on quite a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Why not take the gamble with a QB with huge upside in Lamar Hackenburg In reality though I'm not a huge Lamar fan I also think he is good enough to gamble on as you say, far better than some others. I would not be crushed if the jets took him. Fair and you definitely know more about these guys than me and not going to pretend I know anything about how these prospects translate but love his game. Just read below though. If his running game does translate, that gives him time to work on his passing while also being an offensive weapon. Imagine the stress he puts on a D. You're going to have to spy, play man, and he can flick a pass to Robbie on the 9 2. Lamar Jackson, Louisville Stock Up, Slightly A stat line of 15 completions on 26 attempts, 195 passing yards and three passing touchdowns isn't earth shattering, but Jackson was superb against a pesky Virginia club. He displayed impeccable touch on two touchdown passes, and pro-level pocket management on one of those strikes. Some of his incompletions were overthrows and forces down the middle of the field, but I'd like to take a moment to discuss something else, which I never thought I'd need to -- Jackson's running ability. There seems to be an obsession over his development as a passer, but the guy is seriously a more controlled Mike Vick as a scrambler, and despite Vick's accuracy issues in the NFL, the guy, especially early in his pro career, was unstoppable running the football. Jackson had 147 yards on 15 carries, which included a super-easy 68-yard score against the Cavaliers. Most of his running production will translate to the NFL level. It's an aspect of his game, that, somehow, is being sort of being overlooked. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-qb-stock-watch-baker-mayfield-headlines-big-day-for-top-prospects/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I am saying they are in a better spot than we are in. Manning is close to being done. He simply has shown no more than the guy we are playing now. They won't have to trade up, we will they will have a pick this year and picks next year to address the oline, we won't They have their #1 wr, they have a budding TEs star. In a vacuum I think they (the Giants) are in a better spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: Wut? They have drafted bad therefore its bad to have draft resources. Makes a sh*t ton of sense son. Well in that case the jets don't need any picks because mac has whiffed on quite a few. Resources mean nothing when you suck at using them. Why are the Browns consistently drafting in the top ten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Resources mean nothing when you suck at using them. Why are the Browns consistently drafting in the top ten? Well obviously they will always be bad like the pats were once bad, like dallas was once bad, like the 49ers were once bad, etc etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Great catch by the WR Davis of Wisconsin and what a TD run - Jets could use that OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Well obviously they will always be bad like the pats were once bad, like dallas was once bad, like the 49ers were once bad, etc etc etc. Dallas and San Francisco have really only been bad for a few year stretches. Dallas In the mid to late 80s and SF in the late 2000s and the mid to late 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I’m sorry. I just can’t fathom that a team that is 1-8 and just got creamed by a winless Niners team is currently in a better spot than we are. It goes against the eye test and common sense. Even if they take a QB, the reward of it will not be seen immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 47 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The hell are you talking about? This year the Jets and Giants are similar situations with their QBs. And interestingly, if the Giants do draft a QB., they will have essentially wasted a second round pick in Davis Webb. Sound familiar? Webb was a third round pick, and somehow that's the least wrong thing in this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Webb was a third round pick, and somehow that's the least wrong thing in this post I don’t care. The essence is the same. If you’re going to nitpick then have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Mayfield plays like Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Mayfield plays like Sanchez. Mark Sanchez led us to 2 AFC Championships in a row.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Mayfield got too juiced up over the handshake thing and is throwing the ball all over the ballpark against a wretched defense. Not a great sign. Josh Allen playing like the JUCO transfer he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 44 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Mayfield plays like Sanchez. Interesting comparison, but I think the difference is that Sanchez could throw the ball a lot better; he was just a slow processor. Mayfield seems to know what he wants to do with the ball, but he’s not a great passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I hope Allen and Darnold are in a shoot out tonight because after watching a 1/2 of Jackson, he is not going to be there when we pick. He is throwing dimes in bad weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Mayfield's cockiness is just the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Mayfield's cockiness is just the best. His crotch grabs/60 is off the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Lith said: But do you pass up a chance at a franchise QB for the next 10-12 years to try to make one last run with an aging, mediocre QB and a flawed roster. Or do you press the reset button, move on from Eli and build around a new guy. Especially if you are a new GM with a new HC and a 1 or 2 overall pick. You can address OL in Rd 2 or FA. If it is me, I am not passing on the QB. If Eli was 27, thats another story, but at 37, what are the chances he has another magical post season run in him. Yeah I’ve seen a lot people say, Giants probably don’t expect to pick this high very often. So when they do, take the QB and be set for the next decade when Eli is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Mayfield throws off his back foot, or with both feet down, more than anyone else I’ve seen since Sanchez. How he pulls off his accuracy is beyond me, he must kill it in the weight room. It works. Just weird to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Mayfield's cockiness is just the best. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 42 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: I hope Allen and Darnold are in a shoot out tonight because after watching a 1/2 of Jackson, he is not going to be there when we pick. He is throwing dimes in bad weather. I’d like to see him go to Arizona. Somewhere that’ll use his talents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 The Jets are going to trade three firsts to get Rosen and Rosen is going to be miserable about it. It will be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Why? Because football is the last sport that should be complaining about cocky athletes and if a crotch grab bothers people that much they have a myriad of issues to work out. Kansas poked this bear, got exactly what they deserved, and it's been fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I’d like to see him go to Arizona. Somewhere that’ll use his talents It would totally depend on what happens with Arians. I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell he would ever draft a QB like Lamar, let alone run an entire offense that he would need to be built around him. He hates that type of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Mason Rudolph got the ball at midfield with 2 minutes left and a chance to win the game and responded by throwing four of the worst passes a man could throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mogglez said: It would totally depend on what happens with Arians. I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell he would ever draft a QB like Lamar, let alone run an entire offense that he would need to be built around him. He hates that type of thing. I guess? It’s just hard to envision a team and a coach that would use Jackson’s talent, which says more about NFL coaching hires than anything else, I guess. They’re all still sitting around waiting on the next Phil Simms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Because football is the last sport that should be complaining about cocky athletes and if a crotch grab bothers people that much they have a myriad of issues to work out. Kansas poked this bear, got exactly what they deserved, and it's been fun to watch. Agreed. Kansas, for a 1-9 team, to pull that sh*t was reprehensible and they deserved to be humiliated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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