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2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

There was dead QBs out there better than who they brought in to back up.  Also kinda funny that a dumb team like the Redskins go their guy in RG3 and then drafted another guy who is now going to make 30 million dollars next year.  The jets did everything in the world to coddle Sanchez from day one and that as much as anything helped with his demise as a QB.

Mark Sanchez was not why they didn't draft Russell Wilson. 

his demise was all about the surrounding parts and ultimately it is what got Tannenbaum fired. 

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3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

that's nonsense, they released Stanton b/c that is what Stanton wanted.  They told Stanton they wouldn't bring in another QB and then they went and got Tebow.  Do you actually think a)Stanton is better than Sanchez and b)Stanton would have made a difference on that team w/ that talent?

our run game was always overrated in in years 1 and 2.  The D was a top D in rankings but far too often came up small in big spots and needed to be bailed out by the pass O.  he was good for a rookie in 2009, really good in 2010 then took a step back in 2011 before it all collapsed in 2012.  In 2011 we took away his favrote WR in Edwards and his most trusted WR in Cotchery and 3 of his top 5 weapons entering that season would be out of football in 2012.  In 2012 he had 2 weapons who both got hurt so his main weapons ended up being Stephen Hill, Chaz Schilens, Clyde Gates and Kerley.  That's a good group to try and win w/:lol:

hahahahaahahahahaha

#1 in points allowed.  #1 in yards.  You: "It was the defense's fault"

Running game overrated?  2009 #1 in yards, #3 in TDs #5 ypa, 2010, #4 yards, #9 in TDs, #8 ypa. "Running game not good enough!"

Drew Stanton is better than Sanchez.  Since 2014 Drew Stanton is 7-4, Mark Sanchez is 4-6 and barely in the league.  Sanchez is barely hanging on behind Glennon and Trubisky.  Murderer's Row!  Poor Mark can't recover from losing his favorite receiver and then his most trusted receiver?  Does he want a ******* tissue?  Why couldn't he make friends with Dez Bryant and Witten? Demaryius Thomas? 

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2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Mark Sanchez was not why they didn't draft Russell Wilson. 

his demise was all about the surrounding parts and ultimately it is what got Tannenbaum fired. 

Yes, I am sure the surrounding parts are what got him dumped in Denver and Dallas.  

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12 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Al Groh picked Abe and when healthy/motivated he was a top pass rusher but that was rare for us and he wouldn't have been worth to us what we would have had to pay him.  It would have meant no more Ellis and no Mangold.  you think Abe was worth those 2 guys?  Ellis was the better all around DE anyway.

Yes.  Abraham was worth Ellis and Mangold.  Abraham + Goodwin >>>> Ellis + Mangold

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3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

hahahahaahahahahaha

#1 in points allowed.  #1 in yards.  You: "It was the defense's fault"

Running game overrated?  2009 #1 in yards, #3 in TDs #5 ypa, 2010, #4 yards, #9 in TDs, #8 ypa. "Running game not good enough!"

Drew Stanton is better than Sanchez.  Since 2014 Drew Stanton is 7-4, Mark Sanchez is 4-6 and barely in the league.  Sanchez is barely hanging on behind Glennon and Trubisky.  Murderer's Row!  Poor Mark can't recover from losing his favorite receiver and then his most trusted receiver?  Does he want a ******* tissue?  Why couldn't he make friends with Dez Bryant and Witten? Demaryius Thomas? 

The title game was the D's fault, no doubt about that and that "#1 D" blew multiple games late that season.  That's not what a big time D usually does.

Drew Stanton is not even close to mark Sanchez. 

ok so Drew Stanton is 7-4 since 2009, Mark Sanchez is 41-37 including 4 PLAYOFF wins.

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

Yes, I am sure the surrounding parts are what got him dumped in Denver and Dallas.  

 stop it.  he's a journeyman now.  he's damaged goods.  will never get another shot barring injuries(the one extended hot he got after a ninjury he played really well in Philly). none of this changes the fact that he was good for our franchise.

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2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Yes.  Abraham was worth Ellis and Mangold.  Abraham + Goodwin >>>> Ellis + Mangold

No he wasn't and they weren't worth it.  It's funny, I remember on the board I used to post at would bash Goodwin all the time.  He went somewhere else and became a solid starter but the fans got what they wanted when he wasn't retained.

Abe was inconsistent here, had the DUI, had all the injuries.  It made no sense to give him a huge contract.  we made the right decision and it turned out very well for us.

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7 hours ago, Jetster said:

his guy would have turned this franchise upside down. We all know the story that leaked from Florham park that Terry Bradway was pounding the table for this guy. I'd love to know who & why he was overruled

If we’re going to play the “what if” game,why not use Brady as the example. Supposedly a Jets’ scout badly wanted Brady but was overruled by Parcellls.  

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5 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Russell Wilson is the most overrated QB of the last 10 years.

Just out of curiosity, can you prove your statement?

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34 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Oh dear!  The board I used to post on would bash Goodwin! 

Abraham had 47 ******* forced fumbles.  47!  He had 4 less sacks than Ellis AS A JET.  That is despite Elllis soldiering on for an extra hundred years with the team.  If you don't think an extra 34 forced fumbles and 60 sacks is worth mildly worse center play you deserve a team full of safeties, inside linebackers and interior linemen. 

Abe when healthy/motivated was an all pro caliber player.  It was too risky to pay him what he wanted off all his injuries and off field issues.  Again, we did just fine w/o him.

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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

No he wasn't and they weren't worth it.  It's funny, I remember on the board I used to post at would bash Goodwin all the time.  He went somewhere else and became a solid starter but the fans got what they wanted when he wasn't retained.

Abe was inconsistent here, had the DUI, had all the injuries.  It made no sense to give him a huge contract.  we made the right decision and it turned out very well for us.

Jonathon Goodwin wasn't good enough for the Jets but he was just fine winning a Super Bowl with the Saints as their starting center. But the Jets always do what the Jets do, overpay for a non premier position. 55 million dollar contract for Nick Mangold. He was good but he wasn't even Kevin Mawae good. Nick couldn't get out & pull like Mawae could. Plus Mangold just got fatter & fatter as his salary went up. Fans talked about his weight on here ad nauseum. 

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3 hours ago, BrickTamland said:

This is absurd.

How so?  The way Wilson is talked about, especially in this thread, is that he is among the elite of elites.  I'll ask you to tell me why should be considered that.

Russell Wilson's numbers are incredibly similar to Kirk Cousins when you account for the differences in attempts.  Yet hardly anyone considers Cousins legitimate, let alone an elite level QB.  Cousins has never played anywhere near on teams as talented as anyone of Wilson's Seahawk teams.

So what is absurd about it?  Being overrated doesn't mean he's not good.  The fact that he's considered elite while people who produce similar stats are considered after thoughts is the definition of overrated.

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2 hours ago, Jetster said:

I guess this guy didn't watch last nights game, lol. Wilson was a f*cking BEAST. Making plays all over the place. Dude was playing behind a sieve Oline, with backups coming in for injured starters like Oday Aboushi, lol! And some of the throws (not on the run) but full freaking sprints were lasers! Overrated? That guy is SPECIAL! Russell Wilson playing for the Jets would be a f*cking dream.

What the Hell are you talking about!!!!

We don’t need that kind of player here!!!

Why we have freakin Josh McCown and that seems just peachy keen for our coach and GM!!!

And no you can’t make it up.  

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9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

If you projected the Russell Wilson draft situation onto this Jets team with Bowles and Maccagnan, Matt Flynn would still be the starting QB.

POTY

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7 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

While they certainly suck at talent acquisition, the supposed claims of keeping other great talent down because they are younger has little-to-no evidence to support it.  Can we think of a single player since Farrior who went on to have such great success elsewhere once leaving the Jets?  More often than not, when the Jets aren't playing their young guys, no one else wants to play them either.

John Riggins, not since Farrior, but we have been doing this a long time

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6 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

He is , in my view, good back up material. Like a TJ Yates.  Good presence but something seems not quite ready for the big time.

But he is a very good QB.

Thanks fur the reply...really like him, looks the part and those NC State boys always turn out decent because they actually play in a pro-style (or as close as it gets in college) offense. Has been a winner too....but then I liked Glennon coming out so who knows. I can see him having a Tannehill type rise by draft time.

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20 minutes ago, redlichtie said:

Thanks fur the reply...really like him, looks the part and those NC State boys always turn out decent because they actually play in a pro-style (or as close as it gets in college) offense. Has been a winner too....but then I liked Glennon coming out so who knows. I can see him having a Tannehill type rise by draft time.

Interesting view...  I never liked Glennon. Tall and thin, didn’t look the part.  I like Finley  better.

im going to the game this Saturday..gonna wear my Cotchery jersey. NC State retired his number. 

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7 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Russell Wilson is the most overrated QB of the last 10 years.

I like his game. He is a force. He may be a bit over rated but lets not forget he was an OCs brain fart away from having a second ring and anyway if the Jets did for some reason draft him any long term NYJ fan knows Russell Wilson NYJ would not be the same as Russell Wilson Seattle Seahawk.

 

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Years later we are still discussing every QB we haven't picked that made it? Russell Wilson is just one of MANY that we and countless other teams miss every year. Why must we always act like we are all alone when it comes to missing on QB picks? I don't see anyone cheering for all the losers we passed on over the years.

I get it, I get it.......until we get one we bitch, we bitch, we bitch..........but damn this is kind of like a DJ digging in the crates for an oldie but goodie. 

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10 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

ABSOLUTELY!  When a CPA in NC sees it, why cant the JETS. 2 examples

 

1- Saw Russel Wilson as a freshman at NC State. I knew he was special. I saw a little of this in Jacoby Brisset as well, not as much but I think he can be good as well.

2- Vlad Ducasse.  I looked at him, saw his ability and knew he was a bust.

 

 

Wasn't Tanny a CPA?  Sounds like the Jets hired the wrong CPA.

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12 hours ago, Jetster said:

This guy would have turned this franchise upside down. We all know the story that leaked from Florham park that Terry Bradway was pounding the table for this guy. I'd love to know who & why he was overruled. It doesn't change it but it might shine a light on the disfunction of this franchise & I believe the disconnect in the power structure is a huge issue. It's why Rex was allowed to draft John Connor or his sons FREIND from Clemson. With everything I'm reading about the reviews on Hackenberg when he was drafted, it's scaring me that Macc is another one of these guys trying to find a needle in a hay stack. GMs do this all the time, trying to be smarter than the average bear.

Thats how guys like Stephen Hill, with all of what? 11 catches in college gets drafted in the 2nd round. Or Vlad Ducasse in the 2nd & then we find out he can barely understand English, but he played for Umass? Other than Hack, I believe Macc has drafted pretty well but the Hack mistake has had more ramifications because he did make a mistake drafting Hackenberg, we ignored our future QB sitting right there for the picking in Deshaun Watson. It's like doubling down on his mistake so I do understand fans here who want him fired.

He wasn't.  He loved Wilson, but in something like the 4th round.  The story has gotten distorted over the years.  From what I've seen, passing on Deshaun Watson was the big mistake.  If a franchise QB went within 6 spots of your first round pick, then you and your scouts ****ed up big time.

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11 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

ABSOLUTELY!  When a CPA in NC sees it, why cant the JETS. 2 examples

 

1- Saw Russel Wilson as a freshman at NC State. I knew he was special. I saw a little of this in Jacoby Brisset as well, not as much but I think he can be good as well.

2- Vlad Ducasse.  I looked at him, saw his ability and knew he was a bust.

 

 

The story is that the Jets realized they made a mistake as soon as Ducasse's first training camp.  I'm not joking, either.

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4 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

How so?  The way Wilson is talked about, especially in this thread, is that he is among the elite of elites.  I'll ask you to tell me why should be considered that.

Russell Wilson's numbers are incredibly similar to Kirk Cousins when you account for the differences in attempts.  Yet hardly anyone considers Cousins legitimate, let alone an elite level QB.  Cousins has never played anywhere near on teams as talented as anyone of Wilson's Seahawk teams.

So what is absurd about it?  Being overrated doesn't mean he's not good.  The fact that he's considered elite while people who produce similar stats are considered after thoughts is the definition of overrated.

Not sure what level he’s at. I’d say right below Elite maybe. But not overrated at all. He just makes plays. There oline is constantly a mess and I wouldn’t say they have any huge weapons on offense. They had Lynch but I wouldn’t say their WRs are anything crazy. Never have been really since he’s been there. But it’s hard to judge when they've always had a top defense supporting the offense. 

I think he carry’s that team and what makes him special is what he does when a play breaks down. His escapibility and accuracy on the run is ridiculous. 

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5 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

How so?  The way Wilson is talked about, especially in this thread, is that he is among the elite of elites.  I'll ask you to tell me why should be considered that.

Russell Wilson's numbers are incredibly similar to Kirk Cousins when you account for the differences in attempts.  Yet hardly anyone considers Cousins legitimate, let alone an elite level QB.  Cousins has never played anywhere near on teams as talented as anyone of Wilson's Seahawk teams.

So what is absurd about it?  Being overrated doesn't mean he's not good.  The fact that he's considered elite while people who produce similar stats are considered after thoughts is the definition of overrated.

I mean no disrespect:

It’s ok to be a hater. But you should realize that you are totally full of poop.

Wilson is a career 3:1 TD to int ratio (148:52) guy with a SB win and a SB appearance. Plus 15 rush td. I don’t know if that includes playoffs where he has killed it.

Cousins meanwhile has a career 2:1 (89 to 47) ratio.

Proof.

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14 hours ago, T0mShane said:

If you projected the Russell Wilson draft situation onto this Jets team with Bowles and Maccagnan, Matt Flynn would still be the starting QB.

......And they would have turned Wilson into a slot wr and punt returner. 

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11 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Didn't want to hurt Sanchez's feelings. This franchise has a decade-running tradition through the last three front offices to where we hang on to lost causes at QB for way too long and/or refuse to ever draft or develop a safety net in case the guy they are counting on sucks. Sanchez, Petty, and now Hackenberg. In the time we have committed to those three jabronis about 10 other teams have found starters in places that we passed on them.

Point taken but petty was never drafted to be the next starting qb

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