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With the bye week behind us and the Jets getting ready to kick off their final six games of the season, here are a few notes, quotes, thoughts and links to recent Jets news.

  • Todd Bowles has taken plenty of heat for sticking with Josh McCown at QB, but is the criticism justified without knowing if he’s been promised another season by ownership?  If not, why would he do anything but play the player he believes has the best chance to save his job?  We ask that and some questions about Mike Maccagnan right here.
  • According to Bowles, he’s not paying any attention to the standings as mentioned here, but you can bet Jets fans are.  While much of the league hovers in purgatory, as unlikely as it sounds, the Jets are just a win or two out of being in position to make the playoffs.  It’s extremely unlikely, but who thought that would be the case after 10 games?
  • If the Jets make an effort to accumulate draft choices this off-season, you have to believe Bryce Petty would be moved at some point.  There were multiple reports of teams inquiring as to Petty’s availability, but Mike Maccagnan didn’t make a move.  Petty has failed to impress Todd Bowles thus far and the Jets will likely be in the market for a high pick while signing or trading for another quarterback.
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Multiple teams have reportedly shown an interest in Bryce Petty.

  • When the Jets acquired a second round draft choice from the Seattle Seahawks in exchange for Sheldon Richardson, most fans expected it to be a pick in the high 50’s overall.  With the loss of Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor, Seattle may struggle, and the Jets could see that pick move up several slots higher than expected.  A mid-second round pick would carry a lot more weight if and when the Jets try to move up on draft day
  • While much of the hype leading in to this year’s draft surrounds the quarterbacks, as it should, another deep group on offense could help the Jets out quite a bit.  Saquon Barkley, Derrius Guice, Ronald Jones and Damien Harris are just a few names that highlight the running back position.  With Matt Forte likely on his way out after the season and Bilal Powell’s advanced age, the Jets could look to pluck a talented running back early on.
  • It appears Leonard Williams is healthy and Muhammad Wilkerson is motivated.  If the Jets have any hopes at stealing a few wins and staying in the playoff picture, they’ll need this pair to play their best football of the season starting this Sunday.

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I never really considered Petty trade bait but that could be an interesting puzzle piece. Maybe San Fran was one of those teams looking to deal for him and would like him as a back up to Jimmy G. If 2 deals are close maybe that helps us out, not really sure what kind of pick Petty would actually equate to but it could be a case of

player > late round pick

I'm just hoping as many QBs as possible declare for the draft this year.

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It’d be pretty awesome if the Jets conscious attempt to boost Petty’s trade value was by having Bowles imply he sucks too much to challenge McCown for playing time and Maccagnan saying that Petty is, at best, a #2. The only thing that would make that better is if they’re counting on using the prospective pick from a Petty trade to move up in the draft for another QB. 

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8 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Imagine if Bryce Petty gets traded and goes on to be a franchise QB for another team........

That would only happen if the other team is smarter than us & plays him. Being smarter than us would not take much football smarts.

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17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’d be pretty awesome if the Jets conscious attempt to boost Petty’s trade value was by having Bowles imply he sucks too much to challenge McCown for playing time and Maccagnan saying that Petty is, at best, a #2. The only thing that would make that better is if they’re counting on using the prospective pick from a Petty trade to move up in the draft for another QB. 

Bowles is creating a market for Petty by not playing him because he is worried he would get injured by this porous OL. He's too important to risk. You see that Todd is a sly one eh?

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33 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

http://turnonthejets.com/2017/11/new-york-jets-culture-celebrated-mediocrity/#more-39645

Anyone read this? Thought it summed everything up pretty well.

 Read that...good stuff but nothing that any semi objective Jet did not already admit to him or herself.

Like the majority of teams, this team is being managed and coached at the top for job security with little risk taking or imagination.

Some may laugh at the headscratching personnel moves in Buffalo but at least they are going balls-to-the-wall taking risks, trying to change the predictable stages Half rise...slowly deflate as a franchise, undertake the rebuild as we go.  Improving the roster, maybe scratching their way into the playoffs for an early exit or suffering years of mediocrity and then undertaking a rebuild.

I get the idea of building a winnning culture but if you are clearly without a top ten qb, it's a complete farce as the FO and the NFL vacuums money out of ticket holders pockets.

What is depressing in this piece is to be reminded who the top ten earners are on the salary cap and how utterly undeserving some of them are.

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58 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

http://turnonthejets.com/2017/11/new-york-jets-culture-celebrated-mediocrity/#more-39645

Anyone read this? Thought it summed everything up pretty well.

Article contradicts itself. It opens by waxing poetic about the relative success of ‘97-2010, but then chides the fanbase for supporting the team post-2010. The team has had the same structural flaw, really, even before Woody bought the team, but it was brought into stark relief post-Parcells. There’s a massive vacuum at the highest levels of the organization (because the owner is a poof) that different people have tried to occupy in a nebulous, coup-based manner and nobody gets to hold onto it for too long, like one of those WWF King of the Ring deals. You always have to ask yourself, who’s in charge of the Jets right now? And the fact that there’s not a clear, definitive answer since Parcells Left is the reason the team has been mediocre forever.

 

Parcells was on top and was great at it because he understood franchise-building, but then Tannenbaum took over and ran it like a weak-willed mob accountant who got pushed around by Herm, then Mangini, then Rex. Rex steamrolled Tannenbaum and then Idzik, and now you have a Peter-principled area scout sitting in the big chair and he’s clearly not suited to be in charge, at all. The end result of having no one really in charge is that there’s literally nobody setting a standard of expectation, which is why the organization is so reactive toward dipsh*ts like Mehta and Cannizzaro and Francesa—they rely on the media to tell them how well they’re doing because they don’t have any internal mechanism via which they’re evaluated. Even that disgraceful scene Caporoso mentions with Idzik and Woody jumping up and down in the locker room while announcing the Rex extension was directly precipitated by Manish articles. 

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58 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

http://turnonthejets.com/2017/11/new-york-jets-culture-celebrated-mediocrity/#more-39645

Anyone read this? Thought it summed everything up pretty well.

Great Article a telling point was this....

"Every fan base is guilty of overrating their own players but this low barometer leads to players like Fitzpatrick and now Josh McCown being lionized. Fitzpatrick holding a franchise record for touchdown passes and McCown holding a franchise record for completion percentage mean nothing in terms of building a sustained winner."

THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!!!

Good Grief!!!

 

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2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:
 

#Jets worked out TE Gabe Holmes, S Kelcie McCray, WR Eric Rogers.

Mccagnan was after him last yr.  Signed w/49ers but tore his knee up.  Big WR 6’4”  

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/01/star_cfl_wide_receiver_eric_rogers_had_jets_giants.html
 

Jan 2016:

The Jets were among Rogers' final three choices after he recently had a second visit with them in New Jersey. The other two teams were reportedly the 49ers and Vikings. Rogers had dinner with Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan as recently as last week, according to another source. 

 

On January 20, 2016, Rogers signed with the San Francisco 49ers after visiting 16 different NFL teams. He tore his ACL in training camp and missed the entire 2016 season. On August 27, 2016, Rogers was placed on injured reserve. On May 2, 2017, Rogers was waived by the 49ers.  

 

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Article contradicts itself. It opens by waxing poetic about the relative success of ‘97-2010, but then chides the fanbase for supporting the team post-2010. The team has had the same structural flaw, really, even before Woody bought the team, but it was brought into stark relief post-Parcells. There’s a massive vacuum at the highest levels of the organization (because the owner is a poof) that different people have tried to occupy in a nebulous, coup-based manner and nobody gets to hold onto it for too long, like one of those WWF King of the Ring deals. You always have to ask yourself, who’s in charge of the Jets right now? And the fact that there’s not a clear, definitive answer since Parcells Left is the reason the team has been mediocre forever.

 

Parcells was on top and was great at it because he understood franchise-building, but then Tannenbaum took over and ran it like a weak-willed mob accountant who got pushed around by Herm, then Mangini, then Rex. Rex steamrolled Tannenbaum and then Idzik, and now you have a Peter-principled area scout sitting in the big chair and he’s clearly not suited to be in charge, at all. The end result of having no one really in charge is that there’s literally nobody setting a standard of expectation, which is why the organization is so reactive toward dipsh*ts like Mehta and Cannizzaro and Francesa—they rely on the media to tell them how well they’re doing because they don’t have any internal mechanism via which they’re evaluated. Even that disgraceful scene Caporoso mentions with Idzik and Woody jumping up and down in the locker room while announcing the Rex extension was directly precipitated by Manish articles. 

Basically the Jets had every intention of hiring Doug Marrone after Rex Ryan, even encouraging him through his agent to exercise his opt out in Buffalo. Whether that would have been a good or bad choice is to some degree beside the point, though so far he is doing bette than Bowles. And Mehta writes one pipsqueak whiny column and the whole thing comes to a screeching halt. It's not the way anyone should run any business much less an NFL team, no way to make important decisions. And yet it happened here.

That video celebrating 8-8 in Miami was arguably the low point of low points; a complete inability to acknowledge failure and deal with it honestly, wasting more time and opportunity. Johnson has never learned from his mistakes, and he keeps making the same ones; no clear final say decision maker, no clear chain of command, buying into fake tough guy defense first nonsense, hiring unproven GMs . If you call failure success, you are the emperor with no clothes.And it's still failure. 

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1 hour ago, Charlie Brown said:

Great Article a telling point was this....

"Every fan base is guilty of overrating their own players but this low barometer leads to players like Fitzpatrick and now Josh McCown being lionized. Fitzpatrick holding a franchise record for touchdown passes and McCown holding a franchise record for completion percentage mean nothing in terms of building a sustained winner."

THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!!!

Good Grief!!!

 

It sure doesnt.  It means all the QBs that donned the Jets uniform have all been collectively terrible.

Namath had three great years.  Had some incredible games surrounded by injury, but basically had three great years.

Richard Todd had two good seasons, one in which we should have been SB champs.

Kenny O had 1 elite season.

Boomer was hindered by terrible teams.  

Vineyard had about 2 great years.  Chad has 2 great years.

Favre has about 12 games as a FQB.

Fitz season was only great if you enjoy missing the playoffs and drafting 20.

Andwhat does all the McCown stats tell us?  We are still a bottom 7 team that will be drafting in the teens.

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32 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Basically the Jets had every intention of hiring Doug Marrone after Rex Ryan, even encouraging him through his agent to exercise his opt out in Buffalo. Whether that would have been a good or bad choice is to some degree beside the point, though so far he is doing bette than Bowles. And Mehta writes one pipsqueak whiny column and the whole thing comes to a screeching halt. It's not the way anyone should run any business much less an NFL team, no way to make important decisions. And yet it happened here.

That video celebrating 8-8 in Miami was arguably the low point of low points; a complete inability to acknowledge failure and deal with it honestly, wasting more time and opportunity. Johnson has never learned from his mistakes, and he keeps making the same ones; no clear final say decision maker, no clear chain of command, buying into fake tough guy defense first nonsense, hiring unproven GMs . If you call failure success, you are the emperor with no clothes.And it's still failure. 

I forgot that whole Marrone episode with Manish. Jesus. What a bunch of credulous dupes.

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40 minutes ago, Pcola said:

It sure doesnt.  It means all the QBs that donned the Jets uniform have all been collectively terrible.

Namath had three great years.  Had some incredible games surrounded by injury, but basically had three great years.

Richard Todd had two good seasons, one in which we should have been SB champs.

Kenny O had 1 elite season.

Boomer was hindered by terrible teams.  

Vineyard had about 2 great years.  Chad has 2 great years.

Favre has about 12 games as a FQB.

Fitz season was only great if you enjoy missing the playoffs and drafting 20.

Andwhat does all the McCown stats tell us?  We are still a bottom 7 team that will be drafting in the teens.

Dude ... Saying there has not been sustained franchise QB success I'm on board with.

 

lumping Todd & Namath together as basically the same doesn't make any sense though

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Bowles does not have assurances.  That was a smart option, as then he can start playing for next year.

McDermott of the Bills knows he has a job, and also knows he is not making the playoffs, or maybe does not want to back into the playoffs and still not have a FQB, so he starts Peterman.

Bowles is playing each game like it is his last.  I think at this point, you tell Bowles it is about next year, or you fire him and let Morton coach the team as a try out.  Letting Bowles play the season out not knowing his status makes no sense to me.

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6 minutes ago, varjet said:

Bowles does not have assurances.  That was a smart option, as then he can start playing for next year.

McDermott of the Bills knows he has a job, and also knows he is not making the playoffs, or maybe does not want to back into the playoffs and still not have a FQB, so he starts Peterman.

Bowles is playing each game like it is his last.  I think at this point, you tell Bowles it is about next year, or you fire him and let Morton coach the team as a try out.  Letting Bowles play the season out not knowing his status makes no sense to me.

If he had three yrs remaining (and he still has a yr remaining) he’d be doing the same thing at this stage-trying to win this week to try and get to the playoffs. 

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