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4 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I guess my thinking is that the starters could use as many reps as they can regardless of being 10 weeks in. I don't believe a backup QB is more important than the rest of the starters but that's just me. Unless you are under the impression that either QB could show us enough to ignore FAs and rookie QBs then what is the point? Like you said the young receivers are sitting behind the vets, I'd assume that would mean they get the majority of their reps with Petty and Hack already.

But what's gonna change if we go to Hack?  We already know by now what the offense is. Morton is a pretty good OC and there's potential to work with. The OL is spotty/not very good and needs a few replacements. RBs need to be upgraded. TE's are a solid group for now. We see Anderson can be pretty good and Kearse can be a reliable #2/3. 

Time is now to start Hack and to start playing Hansen and Stewart more. But unfortunately we have our stupid HC with tunnel vision only worried about himself. Just typing that knowing it won't happen and that we might squeak out a couple meaningless wins is incredibly frustrating. 

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36 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

But what's gonna change if we go to Hack?  We already know by now what the offense is. Morton is a pretty good OC and there's potential to work with. The OL is spotty/not very good and needs a few replacements. RBs need to be upgraded. TE's are a solid group for now. We see Anderson can be pretty good and Kearse can be a reliable #2/3. 

Time is now to start Hack and to start playing Hansen and Stewart more. But unfortunately we have our stupid HC with tunnel vision only worried about himself. Just typing that knowing it won't happen and that we might squeak out a couple meaningless wins is incredibly frustrating. 

Skipping balls off the ground, over throwing receivers, not calling the right protections, holding the ball too long; these are all things that Hack does that would waste reps for the OL/RB/TE/WR or makes them look worse than they actually are. Those are also things you don't need live action to correct, coaches can see this in practice. 

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7 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

I cant think of an instance where he has looked stupid?  Im sure its happened but next to REX, Herm, and now Bubba, he is light years ahead.

Lol really? This is only two of the same colossal bad decisions he made on the top of my head. One you should remember, winning the coin toss vs jets in OT, and elected to defend/kick and we won on 1st OT. Possession lol. The other I remember watching yrs ago, but forgot what yr. 2009, colts vs pats classic game Brady vs Manning. 2:08 to in the 4th, pats had the ball on their “own” 28 yrd like up by 5. It’s 4 and two, obviously you have to punt and flip the field. But B.B. can’t follow what common sense says. He goes for it on 4th down, doesn’t get it. Handing the ball to Peyton on the 28 yrd line and won the game. How do you forget winning the coin toss in OT and giving us the ball on 1st possession to win the game ha. So many others like this. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patriots-win-overtime-coin-toss-choose-to-kick-to-jets-promptly-lose/amp/

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1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

I guess my thinking is that the starters could use as many reps as they can regardless of being 10 weeks in. I don't believe a backup QB is more important than the rest of the starters but that's just me. Unless you are under the impression that either QB could show us enough to ignore FAs and rookie QBs then what is the point? Like you said the young receivers are sitting behind the vets, I'd assume that would mean they get the majority of their reps with Petty and Hack already.

What starters are losing reps because of a switch at QB? Just McCown. 

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9 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

I cant think of an instance where he has looked stupid?  Im sure its happened but next to REX, Herm, and now Bubba, he is light years ahead.

Two years ago when we beat them at home in OT . He won the toss and elected to kick to us to start OT , we took the ball and scored game over.

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57 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What starters are losing reps because of a switch at QB? Just McCown. 

Not losing reps; losing competent reps. I don't think Hack sailing balls into coverage or not adjusting protections correctly is not helping the rest of the team. Now maybe you feel like none of those players can get any better from having that practice, I think there is room to grow for our entire team. I just don't see the benefit of playing a back-up QB who is under contract next year.

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6 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Not losing reps; losing competent reps. I don't think Hack sailing balls into coverage or not adjusting protections correctly is not helping the rest of the team. Now maybe you feel like none of those players can get any better from having that practice, I think there is room to grow for our entire team. I just don't see the benefit of playing a back-up QB who is under contract next year.

What’s the benefit of playing a QB who is not much better and is not part of the future plans?

If you had two kids aged 2 and 6, would you let your six year old continue to play with toys for the two year old, stunting the playtime of your two year old, or would you make sure the kid who needs the development time with toys for their age group? I mean the six year old is welcome to help the two year old figure it out, but mostly he should look to toys for his own age. Like the CFL. 

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2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What’s the benefit of playing a QB who is not much better and is not part of the future plans?

If you had two kids aged 2 and 6, would you let your six year old continue to play with toys for the two year old, stunting the playtime of your two year old, or would you make sure the kid who needs the development time with toys for their age group? I mean the six year old is welcome to help the two year old figure it out, but mostly he should look to toys for his own age. Like the CFL. 

Not really the same thing, I understand playing the younger guy at positions that do not impact others much. The QB is the most important position on the field. Yes McCown is not the QB of the future but his ability to competently run the offense allows for the OL to pick up on the proper blocking. Probably why our OL looked so much worse under Hack and Petty than it did with McCown. McCown getting the ball out on time for the receivers breaks. Audibling to the hot receiver and the receiver picking up on it. The QB controls all of those other positions directly. Those are also all things a coach can see in practice. That is why I don't believe they think Hack can run the offense. Both are under contract for next year so why waste good reps for the rest of the team?

As a fan it is incredibly boring to watch McCown but I understand why it makes sense from a grading perspective for the rest of the team.

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1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

Not really the same thing, I understand playing the younger guy at positions that do not impact others much. The QB is the most important position on the field. Yes McCown is not the QB of the future but his ability to competently run the offense allows for the OL to pick up on the proper blocking. Probably why our OL looked so much worse under Hack and Petty than it did with McCown. McCown getting the ball out on time for the receivers breaks. Audibling to the hot receiver and the receiver picking up on it. The QB controls all of those other positions directly. Those are also all things a coach can see in practice. That is why I don't believe they think Hack can run the offense. Both are under contract for next year so why waste good reps for the rest of the team?

As a fan it is incredibly boring to watch McCown but I understand why it makes sense from a grading perspective for the rest of the team.

You make some valid points but you’re nothing in this league without a QB. The offensive line is pretty bad no matter who is at the helm. Robbie Anderson is wasted most of the time with the pathetic pea gun shooter of McCown. For as many reasons as you’ve listed about continuity and such, sticking with McCown is telling the rest of the team that there is been an accepted level of mediocrity and that young players have no chance to ascend when average to below average playing veterans with higher contracts are ahead of them. 

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13 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

The last I looked, the Jets had about a 4% chance of making the playoffs. It’s not happening. It’s far past the time to accept the fate and start evaluating the young QBs on this roster. Any other plan is foolish and so is anyone who believes the Jets can make the playoffs with the most difficult remaining schedule of any team in football. 

Bowles won’t play Petty or Hack- who are you kidding.  He will continue to throw McCown out there to the seasons last breath.

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If we are somehow by some fluke still in the playoff hunt week 17 the Pats will blow us out 51-3

 

if we are out of it they will start Brian Hoyer — just to screw us

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1 hour ago, BigO said:

Bowles won’t play Petty or Hack- who are you kidding.  He will continue to throw McCown out there to the seasons last breath.

Bowles and Mac know starting Hack or Petty against the Pats is career suicide

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2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

You make some valid points but you’re nothing in this league without a QB. The offensive line is pretty bad no matter who is at the helm. Robbie Anderson is wasted most of the time with the pathetic pea gun shooter of McCown. For as many reasons as you’ve listed about continuity and such, sticking with McCown is telling the rest of the team that there is been an accepted level of mediocrity and that young players have no chance to ascend when average to below average playing veterans with higher contracts are ahead of them. 

I honestly believe McCown is our best QB, that's unfortunate but I believe that is why Hack and Petty don't see the field. Anderson is in his 2nd year, I'm gonna assume that he has plenty of useful years ahead of him. What players are currently held back by mediocrity infront or them? McGuire? I'm not sure he was drafted as a bell cow type back. I do agree our OL in below average but I also think that a center will solve a nice portion of our run game. I also agree that you are nothing without a QB which I do believe we will have multiple options after this season.

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in no case will i ever root for the patsies to win.  if they sweep the bills and the doltsfins it will certainly help the jets playoff aspirations but both the bills and doltfins are bad teams and it's doubtful if they will make the playoffs regardless.

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22 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

So the last 3 years wasn't? 

No haven’t you been reading the amazing insight by Vacchiano, Mehta and Cimini?  Not only does Mac get unlimited mulligans for whiffing on umpteen draft picks and giving bums $100 million contracts he should be extended!

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On 11/23/2017 at 7:57 AM, rangerous said:

in no case will i ever root for the patsies to win.  if they sweep the bills and the doltsfins it will certainly help the jets playoff aspirations but both the bills and doltfins are bad teams and it's doubtful if they will make the playoffs regardless.

You make it sound like only good teams make the playoffs lol. I wouldn’t be shocked to see a 7-9 loser get the 6 spot in afc. Definitely a 9 winner is getting in. Either bills, doltfins , or jets are likely making it. If the pats don’t take care of them both they will definitely be fighting for the 1 or 2 seed heading into our final  game. 

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