Reverse Karma

[Jetster]

While we're lamenting another loss to put us at 4-7 I wonder what Chris Johnson is thinking. I say this because nothing goes Bowles way, he is the epitome of bad karma and he has to be one of the unluckiest coaches I've seen in a long time. If something can go wrong with the Jets...it will, it's just a matter of time during the game. McCown can't just fumble, no, he has to fumble spectacularly like he's never played before,lol. The dude literally just tossed the ball way like it was a hot potato & of course it goes the other way for a TD.

Bowles has seen 2 TDs now by his TE overturned & not even a peep out of him..no comment. Not only is Bowles a poor head coach with very few signature wins in 43 games. Sorry, the Jags game was an anomaly, they were victims of horrible NFL scheduling. Hurricane, London, @ Jets. I've said before, the Jags would win 9 of 10 vs the Jets this year, a couple of fluke runs vs a jet lagged defense.

So, Browns? Is there anyone who thinks we win that game if Kiser didn't start? Fins? Lmao, yea, they look great since. Bills? Thank god they beat a team that's lost 5 straight to keep our draft position above them with all the draft picks they have. There you have it, Browns, Fins, Bills. Some impressive wins there. So, every loss other than the Raiders were winnable...if not for a terrible penalty...or fumble...or pick...or missed FG..., these Jets play like Rich Kotites Jets...they play hard, just not well for 60 minutes.

But this is what I mean by reverse Karma, because Todd Bowles & Josh McCown ARE the perfect duo to change all of our fortunes in this upcoming draft. It's very important that we pick in the top 5 because we WILL GET A YOUNG QB for our future in 2018. These 2 are like eyore  with a rain cloud hanging over their head. Bowles has brought a Browns like cloud over our franchise, he's that bad.

You have to fail spectacularly to continue losing games after holding leads time & time again. You would think you would just luck into a win but not this coach. He coaches like he's afraid of his own shadow but that's ok as long as we draft the QB we need for our future. If the Johnsons decide that Todd Bowles is the man to lead this team & a young QB going forward than I give up, no mas. It's like doubling down on fortune from misfortune. We used these guys for the mini tank & we're only 5 games away, it would be SO JETSY to sign Bowles to an extension & reup with McCown. I don't think Jet fans will stand for it & Metlife will be empty next year, I can't for the life of me come up with any sane reason the Johnsons would stick with Todd Bowles except to confirm my belief they are imbeciles not worthy of an NFL franchise.

[ljr]

Please God no ... Syanora Suckanora !!

[dbatesman]

If it makes you feel any better, the most likely scenario is we fire Bowles and hand Maccagnan's big stupid ass a top-10 pick, a billion dollars in cap space, and a head coaching hire.

[varjet]

15 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

If it makes you feel any better, the most likely scenario is we fire Bowles and hand Maccagnan's big stupid ass a top-10 pick, a billion dollars in cap space, and a head coaching hire.

If one goes they both should go, and quite frankly, at this point I think it would be easier to find a replacement for Macc than it would be for Bowles.

[kdels62]

I hope we extend Bowles just because i read that post.

[j4jets]

We are drafting a safety. Get a clue. Oh and McCown is the reason we’ve been competitive in most games. He’s also the reason why we lost many games. He’s not the type of guy that will put the team on his back. He’s a better version of Fitz. And you’re right. We’ve had many ugly bounces go against us and nothing for us. Could’ve very easily been 7-4 and not 4-7. Defense is leaky at best, run game is non-existent save for one game, and our receiving core is make shift. McCown has played well for the most part. He’s just not a closer. 

[peebag]

What exactly is this thread about?

[j4jets]

3 hours ago, varjet said:

If one goes they both should go, and quite frankly, at this point I think it would be easier to find a replacement for Macc than it would be for Bowles.

Even the ball boys would be an upgrade at HC. 

[Gastineau Lives]

32 minutes ago, peebag said:

What exactly is this thread about?

Religion.

[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, j4jets said:

We are drafting a safety. Get a clue. Oh and McCown is the reason we’ve been competitive in most games. He’s also the reason why we lost many games. He’s not the type of guy that will put the team on his back. He’s a better version of Fitz. And you’re right. We’ve had many ugly bounces go against us and nothing for us. Could’ve very easily been 7-4 and not 4-7. Defense is leaky at best, run game is non-existent save for one game, and our receiving core is make shift. McCown has played well for the most part. He’s just not a closer. 

I don't like Fitz, but Fitz played much better than McCown did head to head. Both defenses were spectacular but McCown did ab so lute ly nothing in that Bucs game. 

If we had a competent qb Robby Anderson would be a superstar deep threat in the NFL.

We need to see Petty or Hackenberg play. McCown needs to have a seat.

[nyjunc]

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

I don't like Fitz, but Fitz played much better than McCown did head to head. Both defenses were spectacular but McCown did ab so lute ly nothing in that Bucs game. 

If we had a competent qb Robby Anderson would be a superstar deep threat in the NFL.

We need to see Petty or Hackenberg play. McCown needs to have a seat.

Fitz was not much better than McCown, Fitz had much better talent than McCown.  I think McCown this year has been better than Fitz 2015 considering everything they both have had to work with.

If Robby Anderson had Fitz as his QB fans would be calling for Anderson to get cut b/c Fitz couldn't throw a deep ball.

[Jetster]

8 hours ago, kdels62 said:

I hope we extend Bowles just because i read that post.

Well, reading is fundamental 

[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Fitz was not much better than McCown, Fitz had much better talent than McCown.  I think McCown this year has been better than Fitz 2015 considering everything they both have had to work with.

If Robby Anderson had Fitz as his QB fans would be calling for Anderson to get cut b/c Fitz couldn't throw a deep ball.

Really? Like Fitz #1 receiver being out of the game? And if take the jets rb's over the Bucs. What did Fitz have as a collective that was a look much better? 

And speaking of the deep ball, that is the only thing McCown has over Fitz and it's not even consistent. For every deep ball caught by Anderson from McCown I could show a deep ball that was completely off target. Yesterday's game was the perfect example. 

Ill wait to hear This collection of offensive awesomeness Fitz had.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Really? Like Fitz #1 receiver being out of the game? And if take the jets rb's over the Bucs. What did Fitz have as a collective that was a look much better? 

And speaking of the deep ball, that is the only thing McCown has over Fitz and it's not even consistent. For every deep ball caught by Anderson from McCown I could show a deep ball that was completely off target. Yesterday's game was the perfect example. 

Ill wait to hear This collection of offensive awesomeness Fitz had.

My mistake, I thought we were comparing Fitz in NY to McCown in NY.  The talent was similar w/ their #1 WR out 2 weeks ago but they were both terrible.

 

[kevinc855]

Takes a lot to say that was a completely incoherent post but man what is your point?!

[The Crusher]

9 hours ago, dbatesman said:

If it makes you feel any better, the most likely scenario is we fire Bowles and hand Maccagnan's big stupid ass a top-10 pick, a billion dollars in cap space, and a head coaching hire.

If I had wish....Ring Ring

Woody: Chello

Chris: Just made some front office changes 

Woody: Go on

Chris: You see John Wick 2 yet?

Woody: Aw shit

 

[Jetster]

13 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Takes a lot to say that was a completely incoherent post but man what is your point?!

If Bowles had any luck he'd have NO LUCK AT ALL! But, we'll get our QB because he's so incompetent. If Bowles had any good Karma the Jets wouldn't have lost all of the games they've lead in, but he has bad ju ju, which will lead to a lot more losses & a young QB for our future as we move up the draft after every loss. He can't win for losing, which makes him a LOSER and Jet fans winners, as long as the Johnsons fire him after the season.

[Kleckineau]

Being inept has nothing to do with Kama.

Yesterday with the Jets leading late my wife looked at me and said it looks like they can win this one. I immediately started laughing and pointed out 4-5 ways I expected them to blow the game  (2 of which came true fumble/score, dumb penalty). She is still pissed off.

Leading in the 4th quarter I still knew in my heart there was no way they were going to win.

 

 

[Gen X Jet]

A very Kotite-like year.  Competitive in a lot of games, playing hard but no horse left in the end.

[FTL Jet Fan]

I can't see Bowles or Mac getting fired I agree with above poster, Chris dosent seem like he has the balls to make a move like that. 

[Kleckineau]

9 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

I can't see Bowles or Mac getting fired I agree with above poster, Chris dosent seem like he has the balls to make a move like that. 

Woody is the owner of the team. Chris is only a stand in and as such it is doubtful he will make any high impact decisions without consulting Woody. 

[ChuckkieB]

Bowles is a bad coach and the roster has holes all over it.  It has nothing to do with karma. 

[FTL Jet Fan]

34 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

Woody is the owner of the team. Chris is only a stand in and as such it is doubtful he will make any high impact decisions without consulting Woody. 

I agree he will consult with Woody, this is just another grey area of speculation about this season. I just don't have faith in either to make a sound decision, but I am just a fan.

[rangerous]

well napoleon wanted his generals to be lucky.  in a very real sense this is true.  bowles is becoming a hard luck coach.  too many coulda, wouldas.  the bowles launch clock has ticked forward again after yesterday.

[j4jets]

11 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

I don't like Fitz, but Fitz played much better than McCown did head to head. Both defenses were spectacular but McCown did ab so lute ly nothing in that Bucs game. 

If we had a competent qb Robby Anderson would be a superstar deep threat in the NFL.

We need to see Petty or Hackenberg play. McCown needs to have a seat.

We were two incompletions away from making the playoffs. And we had much better WRs back then. And even a much better OL. There simply is no comparison. Fitz was garbage. McCown has won 4 games in a season no one would’ve guaranteed more than 2 games. And we still have 5 games to go. 

[joewilly12]

3 minutes ago, j4jets said:

We were two incompletions away from making the playoffs. And we had much better WRs back then. And even a much better OL. There simply is no comparison. Fitz was garbage. McCown has won 4 games in a season no one would’ve guaranteed more than 2 games. And we still have 5 games to go. 

Once again we beat bottom feeder teams with loser journeymen QB's same sh*t different day. 

[RSJ]

I can't see Bowles or Mac getting fired I agree with above poster, Chris dosent seem like he has the balls to make a move like that. 

I can see Bowles getting fired. I dont see how you sell season ticket holders on another year of this. People on this thread keep saying the Jets have no talent - but a lack of talent is not why this team is losing. Its penalties, mental errors, dumb turnovers. All the hallmarks of a poorly coached team. This team is exactly like the good ole Rich Kotite and Bruce Coslet Jets. Same excuses for losing too. If the Jets were straight up being run over or run past or just outmatched i would feel different. But thats not what has happened this year.


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[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, RSJ said:

 

I can see Bowles getting fired. I dont see how you sell season ticket holders on another year of this. People on this thread keep saying the Jets have no talent - but a lack of talent is not why this team is losing. Its penalties, mental errors, dumb turnovers. All the hallmarks of a poorly coached team. This team is exactly like the good ole Rich Kotite and Bruce Coslet Jets. Same excuses for losing too. If the Jets were straight up being run over or run past or just outmatched i would feel different. But thats not what has happened this year.


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Agree I can see Mike Maccagnan remaining as the GM and hand picking his HC, cleaning house is too much of an undertaking for Chris Johnson with Woody being out of the Country. 

We are playing competitive football and a lot of the players Macc has brought in are playing well, agree we are very poorly coached. 

[Matt39]

Kicking a 19 yard field goal was beyond maddening. Its truly incredible how these first time HC's just do the same exact things that gets every other first time HC fired. Take a chance there for gods sakes. The inside the box mindset we get from these over promoted defensive coordinators when it comes to offense is exhausting. Kicking a FG from the one in 2017 with all the data that's out there isnt even conservative- it's stupid.

[RSJ]

Agree I can see Mike Maccagnan remaining as the GM and hand picking his HC, cleaning house is too much of an undertaking for Chris Johnson with Woody being out of the Country. 
We are playing competitive football and a lot of the players Macc has brought in are playing well, agree we are very poorly coached. 

I really believe this is 100% correct.

What I am less sure of but suspect is that Morton could get hired and maybe bringing in a new defensive staff for next year. Possibly an ex head coach type. That part I am not sure of but would make sense also.


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[JoJoTownsell1]

7 hours ago, ChuckkieB said:

Bowles is a bad coach and the roster has holes all over it.  It has nothing to do with karma. 

Every roster has holes. The pats defense was AWFUL to start the year. The Eagles pass defense was bad to start the year. Good teams figure things out and find ways to win, poorly coached teams find ways to lose week in and week out.  

I happen to likes his style and the way he handles the media. I just don't think he has shown in 3 years that he is the guy to get the most out of a team. And that is the coaches job. We were in position to win games and didn't. Ultimately, that's on the coach. 

I also don't trust Bowles to develop a QB. I could see us drafting a top QB and Bowles pulling a Fischer. Fischer had Goff and Keenum and made them look like Geno. One year later and both could end up in the Pro Bowl (Keenum won't go but he's been very good).  Bowles has only shown that he can win with QBs that are already developed (by other Coaches). Maybe if he played Petty/Hack and showed us that he could make these guys better (not good), I'd have faith in him. 

Unfortunately, I think we are stuck with Bowles next year. 

[joewilly12]

4 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Unfortunately, I think we are stuck with Bowles next year. 

Disagree I think Macc and Chris Johnson are planning his firing. 

Macc will hire hand pick his HC 

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, j4jets said:

We were two incompletions away from making the playoffs. And we had much better WRs back then. And even a much better OL. There simply is no comparison. Fitz was garbage. McCown has won 4 games in a season no one would’ve guaranteed more than 2 games. And we still have 5 games to go. 

Completely over your head. I'm past the moment anyway ?

[j4jets]

5 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Once again we beat bottom feeder teams with loser journeymen QB's same sh*t different day. 

True, but we’ve been in every single game until the end, save for the Raiders game. 

[FTL Jet Fan]

16 hours ago, RSJ said:

 

I can see Bowles getting fired. I dont see how you sell season ticket holders on another year of this. People on this thread keep saying the Jets have no talent - but a lack of talent is not why this team is losing. Its penalties, mental errors, dumb turnovers. All the hallmarks of a poorly coached team. This team is exactly like the good ole Rich Kotite and Bruce Coslet Jets. Same excuses for losing too. If the Jets were straight up being run over or run past or just outmatched i would feel different. But thats not what has happened this year.


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I agree, I am not advocating for Bowles at all. I just think they will give him another year, and not see that Morton and Bates have made the biggest difference. I am sure Mac wants his own coach to implement his plan fully.