nyjunc Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 28 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: This is hilarious. He never had an elite running game? So is that a requirement for him to be successful? I mean, he had an elite TEAM with Denver after they won the Superbowl and he couldn't even beat out Trevor Siemian. He had 1 losing season where he had no talent and and the Jets gave up on him? If he was so great wouldn't other teams have picked up on that?! QBs are SCARCE in the NFL. Most teams are not giving up on guys who show promise. Sanchez was overrated and the Jets dumped him. Then he bounced around the league for a few years and I think is a 3rd stringer right now (which is what he is). If he was so talented then he would've done something since. And if you say "the Jets ruined him" then he just plain wasn't tough enough. Heck, he's STILL not too old to make a comeback in this league. How come he isn't doing it though? Drew Brees was given up on but turned things around. You know why? Because he's a legitimately great QB. What's Mark Sanchez's excuse? Is it that the league is so flush with great talent at QB? I hope that's not your argument. Sanchez is a bum. No he didn't, you can look at accumulated #s and be wowed in 2009 but when you dig deeper you'll see 2 ridiculous games against a bad Buffalo team and another ridiculous game against a bad Oakland team that skewed #s. In the playoff games Greene had the big runs but we didn't run the ball well other than those big runs. By the end of 2009 Thomas Jones was on fumes, Leon Washington was on IR and Greene was starting to get going. In 2010 LT had a GREAT first month but was invisible the rest of the season. No, it's not a requirement to be successful but it is a myth that he was carried in either of those years. We were ld by our D in both years but Mark and the pass game were vital in both years as well. Denver was elite in 2015 b/c of that incredible defense, they haven't approached that level since and Denver wanted to give their young guys a chance. This is the same thing Jet fans are whining about, why don't we give Petty and Hack a chance!? They would have been better w/ Mark as we have been w/ McCown but Denver wanted to develop their young guys. QBs don't get 2nd chances barring injuries when they were perceived to have failed in their original home. The perception is mark failed but that would be incorrect. He had ONE bad season out of 4 where he was throwing to Arena League level talent. Mark Sanchez and Eli Manning were very similar players. Both turnover prone and not consistent but could play big in big moments and big games. The difference btw the 2 is that the NYG D/STs stepped up in title games/SBs and the Giants kept putting talent around their QB. Eli never had to try to win w/ Chaz Schilens or Clyde Gates. Most QBs that fail can play in the right circumstances, when we surrounded Mark w/ talent he won, when we took that talent away we lost. In 4 1/2 years as a starter he had ONE losing season. For a franchise like ours that has had so many and considering we haven't been back to postseason since mark was our QB you would think fans would have a tiny bit of appreciation for what he was able to do. Jet fans think Rex was a buffoon, think Mark sucked, think Woody a terrible owner, think Tannenbaum was a terrible GM, think Schottenheimer a terrible OC yet all those guys together were able to set franchise records in playoff wins, road playoff wins, div rd wins, title game apps. Amazing, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 7:20 PM, SAR I said: Everything being said about Eli Manning and the lack of wide receivers, running game, offensive line, and offensive coordination and being passed off as a scapegoat for his GM and head coach is precisely what happened to Mark Sanchez. So laugh it up Jets fans. This happened to your quarterback in this town too. And Mark Sanchez 2012 was a far better quarterback than Eli Manning 2017. And unlike Giants fans who are screaming bloody murder right now, you drank the Kool Aid the media fed you. Buttfumble videos on YouTube hurt your pathetic little millennial safespace feelings and blinded you to the best quarterback we've had since Namath. It's Year 5 of the post-Sanchez era. You got what you wanted. Hope you're happy. SAR I If you replace Mark Sanchez with Matt Simms, I'll fight this battle right alongside you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Why isn't Sanchez starting for anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Lizard King said: Why isn't Sanchez starting for anyone? He was in 2011, you know, before he got hurt. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 7:50 PM, Matt39 said: Sanchez is still in his prime and is behind Mike Glennon and Mitch Trubisky. You want to say Sanchez got screwed a bit by Rex? OK. But you're going to have to explain why he's barely in the league at this point. Everyone in this league controls their own destiny. We put way too much stock into perceived circumstances. Guys find a way to perform if they have the goods. The bold is not true; football is the one sport that a lot of your destiny is impacted by others. You are dependent on opportunity. On every play you are dependent on 10 other guys doing their jobs. You are dependent on scheme. You depend on coaches making the proper calls, the GM surrounding you with quality personnel. You are dependent on the other side of the ball, you are dependent on special teams. Let's not forget the NFL is a nearly 100% injury league...etc...etc. Does Brady become the GOAT if Mo Lewis doesn't make Drew Bledsoe wake up thinking he was Batman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 8:35 PM, SAR I said: Good post, but here's what haunts me and should haunt every Jets fan: What might have Mark Sanchez turned into if we gave him a mulligan for 2012, fired Ryan and Idzik a year earlier, brought in a strong offensive coordinator, and built a consistent and decent set of WR's, TE's, and RB's for him to throw to. What haunts me is that he never got the chance to play in the WCO, the offense he ran in high school and at USC. He played well enough in the WCO I high school for him to be a highly touted recruit and signed by one of the top football schools in the country. He played well enough in that same offense in USC for him to earn a convents 1st round grade and for us to trade up to get him. QBs play their best when they know the system they are running like the back of their hands. I feel he was headed for a strong year in Mornhingweg's WCO in 2013. It's a shame the Jets and the fans had prematurely moved on already which indirectly led to him being inserted late in that meaningless pre-season game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Well we can probably bring Sánchez back next season. He’s done the mentor job twice already in Dallas and Chicago. Rather him than McCown in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 10:49 PM, SAR I said: Again, everyone blames the quarterback. Always the quarterback. Even for a team that the whole world knew was not built around the quarterback but by defense and ground & pound rushing. So many of you just don't get it. Rex Ryan's strategy almost worked. It didn't fail because of the QB. It failed because the D played small in the biggest games. Second half at Indy, blow 10 point lead. First half at Pittsburgh, no-show. In all 6 playoff games, Mark Sanchez played well enough to win. He won 4. He couldn't win the last 2 by himself. And that's exactly what Rex Ryan's AFCCG defensive failures put him in a position to have to do. But, hey, blame the quarterback. Perhaps it makes some of you sleep better at night. Because the alternative is really hard to imagine. That the Jets had the franchise quarterback they've been looking for since Namath and instead chose the idiot head coach because he made for good media. SAR I Jets fans, particularly Sanchez haters, are funny that way. They are quick to point out he was carried to 2 AFCCGs by a strong defense and running game. However, they are on mum on the fact that in those 2 losses he showed up and those that carried him didn't. You can't blame the QB for when we lose if you are not willing to give him the credit for when we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 12:52 AM, TuscanyTile2 said: If Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers had Sanchez's weapons do you think those would be under .500 teams? How about if they walked into the Denver situation after Peyton retired. Would they have lost the job to an unknown like Trevor Siemian (who has since gone off the rails)? This is a simple minded argument. These comparison are really only applicable if we had the chance to have a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers and chose Sanchez instead. That is not the case so who gives a f*ck about what those guys would do with those weapons. Sanchez did enough keep around until we found our Brady or Rodgers. It's just dumb and very Jet like to give up on the investment that was Sanchez when you were not upgrading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I don't think I want to live in a world where people are still debating this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, legler82 said: Jets fans, particularly Sanchez haters, are funny that way. They are quick to point out he was carried to 2 AFCCGs by a strong defense and running game. However, they are on mum on the fact that in those 2 losses he showed up and those that carried him didn't. Maybe because it’s factually incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 This is still a thing? Posters please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, legler82 said: What haunts me is that he never got the chance to play in the WCO, the offense he ran in high school and at USC. He played well enough in the WCO I high school for him to be a highly touted recruit and signed by one of the top football schools in the country. He played well enough in that same offense in USC for him to earn a convents 1st round grade and for us to trade up to get him. QBs play their best when they know the system they are running like the back of their hands. I feel he was headed for a strong year in Mornhingweg's WCO in 2013. It's a shame the Jets and the fans had prematurely moved on already which indirectly led to him being inserted late in that meaningless pre-season game. Hear hear. Buttfumble overreaction. Water cooler embarrassment. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Harris Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 8 hours ago, jmat321 said: Well we can probably bring Sánchez back next season. He’s done the mentor job twice already in Dallas and Chicago. Rather him than McCown in that role. This may be a total sarcasm I don't know but tbh I would rather see him than McCown or ANY 40 yr old QB. I mean this is ridiculous. At least give us something entertaining... I mean.... who wouldn't watch the Sanch to see if he becomes Brees 2.1 or does a dickfumble next... fukc it i'm in get it done Tranny the entire sport is the new version of wrestling so at least get some suspense or some Benny Hill shlt goin on. Or why in the HELL am I gonna watch the refs do a poor job of orchestration with WAAAAAAAAY too many commercials?? yea I'll pass... or fumble whatever. but at least I won't be watching commercials and viagra needing shltbags do a bad job at conducting games.... I mean they could at least wear a tie or a butler outfit or something. Get rid of the stripes it gives me a headache to keep looking at them in my tv fukcing up my vision and them making me throw up when i'm not even at my optimum buzz. On a SUNDAY no less. Also FUKC THURSDAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Hitman Harris said: This may be a total sarcasm I don't know but tbh I would rather see him than McCown or ANY 40 yr old QB. I mean this is ridiculous. At least give us something entertaining... I mean.... who wouldn't watch the Sanch to see if he becomes Brees 2.1 or does a dickfumble next... fukc it i'm in get it done Tranny the entire sport is the new version of wrestling so at least get some suspense or some Benny Hill shlt goin on. Or why in the HELL am I gonna watch the refs do a poor job of orchestration with WAAAAAAAAY too many commercials?? yea I'll pass... or fumble whatever. but at least I won't be watching commercials and viagra needing shltbags do a bad job at conducting games.... I mean they could at least wear a tie or a butler outfit or something. Get rid of the stripes it gives me a headache to keep looking at them in my tv fukcing up my vision and them making me throw up when i'm not even at my optimum buzz. On a SUNDAY no less. Also FUKC THURSDAY This man drinks and he knows things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 14 hours ago, SAR I said: He was in 2011, you know, before he got hurt. SAR I Why isn't he now? He's in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 7:35 PM, SAR I said: Resumes don't mean anything. Mark Sanchez 2012 was a better quarterback than Eli Manning 2017. Mark Sanchez 2012 had more promise than Eli Manning 2017. It's tragic what Jets fans allowed to happen. Strike that; what Jets fans made happen. SAR I Yep because the organization makes decisions according to what the fan base wants. You stupid fool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 This is, by far, the dumbest thread of 2017. Utterly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Dcat said: This is, by far, the dumbest thread of 2017. Utterly stupid. And yet amazingly it's still at or near the top as I post this. Speaks to how little else we have to talk about, that we're obsessing over a bad QB (bad QB's) now long gone from NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/21/2017 at 6:06 AM, Hitman Harris said: This may be a total sarcasm I don't know but tbh I would rather see him than McCown or ANY 40 yr old QB. I mean this is ridiculous. At least give us something entertaining... I mean.... who wouldn't watch the Sanch to see if he becomes Brees 2.1 or does a dickfumble next... fukc it i'm in get it done Tranny the entire sport is the new version of wrestling so at least get some suspense or some Benny Hill shlt goin on. Or why in the HELL am I gonna watch the refs do a poor job of orchestration with WAAAAAAAAY too many commercials?? yea I'll pass... or fumble whatever. but at least I won't be watching commercials and viagra needing shltbags do a bad job at conducting games.... I mean they could at least wear a tie or a butler outfit or something. Get rid of the stripes it gives me a headache to keep looking at them in my tv fukcing up my vision and them making me throw up when i'm not even at my optimum buzz. On a SUNDAY no less. Also FUKC THURSDAY Right you are. Complete with chosen champions, stars (NEP &Brady), drama (Cowboys), heels (Gronk, Sherman, kneelers) good guys (JJ Watt Aaron Rodgers Larry Fitz) and fans that buy into and refuse to acknowledge some of the existence of the aforementioned. At Goodell's retirement party he might rip off the latex mask to reveal he is Vince McMahon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Lizard King said: Why isn't he now? He's in his prime. Torn labrum, required season ending surgery, throwing shoulder, never the same. Our dream of a Super Bowl died that day, we're feeling the repercussions ever since. Geno Smith, Tim Tebow, Mike Vick, Greg McElroy, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bryce Petty, Josh McCown, that's 7 quarterbacks since Mark went down, each worse than the one before, set the franchise back a decade, maybe more. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Xtina said: Yep because the organization makes decisions according to what the fan base wants. You stupid fool Oh, so you think multi-million dollar industries in a customer service business don't listen to their customers? Let me guess- never took a business course in college, right? SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 42 minutes ago, SAR I said: Torn labrum, required season ending surgery, throwing shoulder, never the same. Our dream of a Super Bowl died that day, we're feeling the repercussions ever since. Geno Smith, Tim Tebow, Mike Vick, Greg McElroy, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bryce Petty, Josh McCown, that's 7 quarterbacks since Mark went down, each worse than the one before, set the franchise back a decade, maybe more. SAR I I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Sanchez was a 55% completion passer for his entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harts724 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 20 hours ago, Lizard King said: Why isn't Sanchez starting for anyone? Because he sucks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 McCown not Sanchez has been the best QB here since Favre.........painful to say but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Lizard King said: I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Sanchez was a 55% completion passer for his entire career. He started at quarterback for the New York Jets for 4 seasons. He made the playoffs twice. He's a 50% postseason qualifying Jets quarterback. Never seen better. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 This thread will be great necro material in 30 years when Mark Sanchez is inducted into the Hall of Fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 100K posts in this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, SAR I said: He started at quarterback for the New York Jets for 4 seasons. He made the playoffs twice. He's a 50% postseason qualifying Jets quarterback. Never seen better. SAR I Would you bring him back next year to be our starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Would you bring him back next year to be our starter? No, he's never been the same physically or emotionally since Rex Ryan let a 5th string OL get his throwing shoulder demolished. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 8:00 PM, joewilly12 said: T H E S A R IS BACK UNTIL ONCE BANNED AGAIN. HEAVY SIGH FROM THE BURPERS AND BELCHERS IN THE UPPER BOWL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 7 hours ago, SAR I said: Oh, so you think multi-million dollar industries in a customer service business don't listen to their customers? Let me guess- never took a business course in college, right? SAR I First it was the shoulder injury, now it was the fans. You have no facts just bullsh*t. The sad fact is that your are carrying a torch for a guy who sucked more often than not for some idiotic reason. GET OVER IT. HES GONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 53 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said: First it was the shoulder injury, now it was the fans. You have no facts just bullsh*t. The sad fact is that your are carrying a torch for a guy who sucked more often than not for some idiotic reason. GET OVER IT. HES GONE. BUTT FUMBLED hot dog sideline eating underage screwing # 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, JetFaninMI said: First it was the shoulder injury, now it was the fans. You have no facts just bullsh*t. The sad fact is that your are carrying a torch for a guy who sucked more often than not for some idiotic reason. GET OVER IT. HES GONE. Lean on me, when you're not strong And I'll be your friend I'll help you carry on SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 2 hours ago, BRONX DUDE said: BUTT FUMBLED hot dog sideline eating underage screwing # 6 Won more playoff games than any other Jets quarterback in history. Highest postseason QBR than any other Jets quarterback in history. Scored most postseason TD's than any other Jets quarterback in history. Records of 9-7, 11-5, and sitting at 8-5 in December of third year, tops of any other Jets quarterback in history. Went on a run of 16-4, best 20 game stretch in Jets history. You pathetic fools. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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