How Do You Feel...

[DMan77]

Let's take a really broad, zoomed out view of the team... 

How do you feel about the overall state of the roster? Are you happier with it this year than the past? Do you like the general direction it's going? Do you feel the talent level is on the rise? Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future? 

[T0mShane]

I feel like the roster is so threadbare and depressing that Jets fans are twisting themselves into knots over the play of Lee and Adams, who are playing at levels that on any other team would make them average starters. Our best player is Josh McCown. Our second best player is Demario Davis. The most encouraging young talent is Robbie Anderson, followed closely by Marcus Maye. I feel like giving Robbie Anderson a lot of money would be a mistake because he seems like a fruitbag off the field. Maye is a huge win for Macc, which somewhat ironically makes the Adams pick much more dubious. 

[Philc1]

On a scale of 1-10?  0.0

[ZachEY]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I feel like the roster is so threadbare and depressing that Jets fans are twisting themselves into knots over the play of Lee and Adams, who are playing at levels that on any other team would make them average starters. Our best player is Josh McCown. Our second best player is Demario Davis. The most encouraging young talent is Robbie Anderson, followed closely by Marcus Maye. I feel like giving Robbie Anderson a lot of money would be a mistake because he seems like a fruitbag off the field. Maye is a huge win for Macc, which somewhat ironically makes the Adams pick much more dubious. 

Is this too many words to fly off the back of a plane?

[Warfish]

28 minutes ago, DMan77 said:

Let's take a really broad, zoomed out view of the team... 

How do you feel about the overall state of the roster? Are you happier with it this year than the past? Do you like the general direction it's going? Do you feel the talent level is on the rise? Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future? 

Roster is fine for what it is, a team in mid-rebuild.

We are horrible at QB, that clearly needs addressed.

We are very weak on the O-line, that too needs addressed.

We are fine at WR, TE and RB.  Our talent there is acceptable, if Forte is cut and another back brought in.

We are fine on the D-Line, they need to play better (Coaching).

We are fine at LB, could use a little help, again, needs better play from the talent there.

We are a bit weak at CB, that's need #3 behind QB and O-line.

We are (or should be) set at Safety.

We could use a decent returner, but return is a lost cause in the current NFL.  All that matters is catching it and not fumbling it tbqh.

We're five-six players from being as good as anyone in the AFC.  QB (difficult I admit), two (or three) O-linemen, a #1 CB, and maybe a LB.  5 guys.  Add in a mid-round RB, and call it 6 guys.

The Jets can (and should) be a competitive playoff-chasing team in 2018 if managed and coached correctly.   

2018 Plan:

1. Round 1 Baker Mayfield, QB
2. Round 2, BAP O-Line
3. Round 2, BAP O-Line/CB/LB
4. Round 3, BAP CB/LB/RB
5. Round 4, BAP O-Line/CB/LB/RB as needed
Rest is backfill and depth.

Free Agency, look hard at CB.  Look hard at LB.  And see whos about at RB just to be sure.

This is VERY doable.

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Roster is fine for what it is, a team in mid-rebuild.

We are horrible at QB, that clearly needs addressed.

We are very weak on the O-line, that too needs addressed.

We are fine at WR, TE and RB.  Our talent there is acceptable, if Forte is cut and another back brought in.

We are fine on the D-Line, they need to play better (Coaching).

We are fine at LB, could use a little help, again, needs better play from the talent there.

We are a bit weak at CB, that's need #3 behind QB and O-line.

We are (or should be) set at Safety.

We could use a decent returner, but return is a lost cause in the current NFL.  All that matters is catching it and not fumbling it tbqh.

We're five-six players from being as good as anyone in the AFC.  QB (difficult I admit), two (or three) O-linemen, a #1 CB, and maybe a LB.  5 guys.  Add in a mid-round RB, and call it 6 guys.

The Jets can (and should) be a competitive playoff-chasing team in 2018 if managed and coached correctly.   

2018 Plan:

1. Round 1 Baker Mayfield, QB
2. Round 2, BAP O-Line
3. Round 2, BAP O-Line/CB/LB
4. Round 3, BAP CB/LB/RB
5. Round 4, BAP O-Line/CB/LB/RB as needed
Rest is backfill and depth.

Free Agency, look hard at CB.  Look hard at LB.  And see whos about at RB just to be sure.

This is VERY doable.

I think you’re understating somewhat that the roster is barren at QB, CB1, OLT, and pass rusher. None of those positions are easy to find and they’re all max-dollar expensive. 

[Philc1]

No Oline

Best WR is a glorified Dwight Clowney 

no qb

Defense has no pass rush and can’t stop the likes of Matt Moore and Ryan Fitzpatrick 

 

but out our roster is “fine”

[the Claw]

I’m pretty much lock and step with Fish on this. QB, Center, Pass Rusher, CB (don’t care whether it’s through the draft or FA) are the priorities.

Overall I’m pleased with the rebuild. Roster looks somewhat thin now, but a couple of solid acquisitions could make a huge difference. This could be a fun team to watch with the right pieces. I’m optimistic.

[Warfish]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think you’re understating somewhat that the roster is barren at QB, CB1, OLT, and pass rusher. None of those positions are easy to find and they’re all max-dollar expensive. 

No, not understating, those needs are real and nothing in the NFL is easy.  These are expensive and highly coveted positions.

But finding competent players to fill those needs, given our draft picks and massive FA War chest, is absolutely doable.

Although I would say pass rusher is not a primary need, we have talent that can rush, they need better coaching and scheme to better utilize that talent.  Bowles, like Rex, is a "my special scheme" guy, and he wastes alot of our talent and relies far too heavily on "Surpise! Blitz! Aren't I a smart DC" schemes and players out of position to generate rush.  We need a more traditional scheme that puts players in their best position to do what they do best, not a gimmick scheme that has D-Ends in pass coverage and Skrine as a primary blitzer, lol.

[dbatesman]

47 minutes ago, DMan77 said:

Let's take a really broad, zoomed out view of the team... 

How do you feel about the overall state of the roster? Are you happier with it this year than the past? Do you like the general direction it's going? Do you feel the talent level is on the rise? Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future? 

Is this supposed to be a joke, or

[Mecca]

Team is boring. 

 

Our top tier of talent is:

Robby Anderson, ASJ, Carptenter, Leo, Lee, Maye, Claiborne

Adams has been underwhelming to be honest. I preferred Hooker if we were getting a S. Pushed for Watson all Spring. We need an injection on offense still. QB/RB/OL round 1-2-2.

[MDL_JET]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No, not understating, those needs are real and nothing in the NFL is easy.  These are expensive and highly coveted positions.

But finding competent players to fill those needs, given our draft picks and massive FA War chest, is absolutely doable.

Although I would say pass rusher is not a primary need, we have talent that can rush, they need better coaching and scheme to better utilize that talent.  Bowles, like Rex, is a "my special scheme" guy, and he wastes alot of our talent and relies far too heavily on "Surpise! Blitz! Aren't I a smart DC" schemes and players out of position to generate rush.  We need a more traditional scheme that puts players in their best position to do what they do best, not a gimmick scheme that has D-Ends in pass coverage and Skrine as a primary blitzer, lol.

I was gonna bring this up. I think the defense is fine as it is, could use more depth and experience but feel like they could be even better with a top DC coming in (like wade philips does for a defense). But are there even any hot DC out there anymore? Feel like it's all OC being talked about now. 

Either way, i'd rather this team focus on building a better offense. Even if they were staring at the top pass rusher in the draft, i'd wanna take offense. Build the oline and running game. 

[Warfish]

Just now, MDL_JET said:

Even if they were staring at the top pass rusher in the draft, i'd wanna take offense. 

[kelly]

15 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

No Oline

Best WR is a glorified Dwight Clowney 

no qb

Defense has no pass rush and can’t stop the likes of Matt Moore and Ryan Fitzpatrick 

 

but out our roster is “fine”

[Pac]

Another solid draft and a couple key FA pickups and we are in the playoffs next year.

This notion that we are the beginning of a long stretch of dark days is tripe.  I blame the ilk for infecting so many impressionable minds with this defeatist rubbish mindset.

[peebag]

The influx of the new coaches has brought in a new "espirt de corps" which is getting the most of what is a talent bare team.

We lack at the most important positions, QB LT CB1 and WR1

 

Leo is our best player and Kearse is our best WR.  

 

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, Pac said:

Another solid draft and a couple key FA pickups

 

2 minutes ago, Pac said:

Another solid draft 

 

2 minutes ago, Pac said:

Another

 

[DMan77]

13 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Is this supposed to be a joke, or

Nope, it's a question. 

[#27TheDominator]

The funny thing to me is:

I don't think we are facing a long dark stretch.  This is not because I think our current administration has done a decent job.  It is because it only takes 3 years to completely overturn any NFL roster.  That does not coincide with the sentiment that poor Maccagnan and Bowles were saddled with an impossible task to build a winner in 3 years, spotted #6 overall and a sh*tload of cap space.

[Beerfish]

Well my main issue with who we have picked the last few years is that for where these guys were picked and their non premium positions the have to end up being stars, not just a decent starter.

If Lee is just a decent starter who is getting better a bit and if Adams is a decent starter those picks are fails.

Almost none of the other parts of the roster mean a thing until we get a QB and our oline is worse than people think in my mind.

[DMan77]

31 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

No Oline

Best WR is a glorified Dwight Clowney 

no qb

Defense has no pass rush and can’t stop the likes of Matt Moore and Ryan Fitzpatrick 

 

but out our roster is “fine”

So let's say (because everyone loves the hypothetical game) they fix 2 of those issues this offseason. Be it drafting or signing a QB, some OL help, a pass rusher, a better run stuffer, etc... Or some mix of other moves. How would that change your mind?

In other words, if they're able to fix one or two of the most glaring weaknesses, how would you feel about the whole roster? 

Because I do agree with you here in a lot of ways. There is a glaring lack of talent at the most important positions...

But I think the roster at the "less" essential spots is actually fine. I think it's in a good place to supplement the team when we get some true talent in those more important positions.

If I think about it like a baseball team... I picture it as having the batting order set from spots 5-9, and having an acceptable bullpen, and some good guys on the bench... But you're missing a couple aces, a leadoff man, a cleanup hitter, a closer, a manager...

You're missing the true pieces you need to win, but you have the "back end" of things figured out. I understand how some people would find it lame... I understand how that's not exciting... But I do think it's good to at least have some talent in those lower level/less important spots as part of a rebuild as well... It's like having a good foundation to eventually build the actual house on. 

[rex-n-effect]

Macc hasn't rushed to grab the star positions on the roster which makes it look worse than it actually is. He's said in the past that part of his plan is to develop positions with depth--like PIT--so the team doesn't have to rely on overspending in FA on non-star talent rolls. We also have a lot of young talent with 1-2 years of pro experience and not everybody becomes a great player immediately. Developing a solid roster takes time, especially when it's a team with a poor history where nobody wants to play.

That doesn't ignore Macc has made some clunker picks or that we have key needs. 

Roster is pretty bad if you judge it by the greatest skill positions on the roster. Less so if you judge it by the plan to develop a long term successful roster.

[nycdan]

Here's a question.

If you put Carson Wentz or Jared Goff (this year's version) on this team, this season, how many wins do you think we would have.  If you go with 6-5 or higher, then the roster is in pretty decent shape.  Given that we're 4-7 with Josh McCown and his inability to play competent football in the last 15 minutes of a game, I don't see that as a stretch. 

Definitely holes.  Definitely more issues than QB.  But if you do manage to fix that and LT, I think everything else is manageable and we are a legitimate playoff contender.  Remember we get Enunwa back next year.  I think we still need one 'star' offensive player, either at WR or RB, but I think with Kearse, Anderson, Enunwa, Powell and ASJ we have at least some young talent that can make plays.

Honestly, I think our biggest talent hole after QB is Head Coach.

 

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Roster is fine for what it is, a team in mid-rebuild.

We are horrible at QB, that clearly needs addressed.

We are very weak on the O-line, that too needs addressed.

We are fine at WR, TE and RB.  Our talent there is acceptable, if Forte is cut and another back brought in.

We are fine on the D-Line, they need to play better (Coaching).

We are fine at LB, could use a little help, again, needs better play from the talent there.

We are a bit weak at CB, that's need #3 behind QB and O-line.

We are (or should be) set at Safety.

We could use a decent returner, but return is a lost cause in the current NFL.  All that matters is catching it and not fumbling it tbqh.

We're five-six players from being as good as anyone in the AFC.  QB (difficult I admit), two (or three) O-linemen, a #1 CB, and maybe a LB.  5 guys.  Add in a mid-round RB, and call it 6 guys.

The Jets can (and should) be a competitive playoff-chasing team in 2018 if managed and coached correctly.   

2018 Plan:

1. Round 1 Baker Mayfield, QB
2. Round 2, BAP O-Line
3. Round 2, BAP O-Line/CB/LB
4. Round 3, BAP CB/LB/RB
5. Round 4, BAP O-Line/CB/LB/RB as needed
Rest is backfill and depth.

Free Agency, look hard at CB.  Look hard at LB.  And see whos about at RB just to be sure.

This is VERY doable.

pretty much agree with this team assessment.  imo the best thing can come of this season is figuring out if bowles should coach the team going forward.

[Saul Goodman]

I think the team is likeable, fun to watch, and they play hard, which is all that I would ask for in year 1 if a rebuild. Unfortunately we are in year 3 so that needs to be considered.

At least we are rid of lazy, malcontented, cancerous players.

There’s a foundation being laid with good-character, young, hungry players. We just need the elusive QB. I’d love to see Cousins on this team. 

[Saul Goodman]

15 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

Macc hasn't rushed to grab the star positions on the roster which makes it look worse than it actually is. He's said in the past that part of his plan is to develop positions with depth--like PIT--so the team doesn't have to rely on overspending in FA on non-star talent rolls. We also have a lot of young talent with 1-2 years of pro experience and not everybody becomes a great player immediately. Developing a solid roster takes time, especially when it's a team with a poor history where nobody wants to play.

That doesn't ignore Macc has made some clunker picks or that we have key needs. 

Roster is pretty bad if you judge it by the greatest skill positions on the roster. Less so if you judge it by the plan to develop a long term successful roster.

Good post

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, DMan77 said:

Let's take a really broad, zoomed out view of the team... 

How do you feel about the overall state of the roster? Are you happier with it this year than the past? Do you like the general direction it's going? Do you feel the talent level is on the rise? Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future? 

Im saying nothing, until Im laying supine on GeYno's therapeutic chaise lounge to the scent of Lavender and the music of YanI.

[Skeet Ulrich]

They don't have a QB and don't have anyone to rush the passer. If they fix that, they'll be OK, but it's not like that's an easy feat.

 

[BrickTamland]

I feel that the team is somewhere between 18-22 talent wise and is pretty young and still developing.

I feel that the right moves would make this team a real playoff contender next year and for several years thereafter. 

I feel that we are lacking at the biggest positions, unfortunately.

I believe that many of the more reasonable fans on here, including myself, would have this team in the playoffs next year if we were to be inserted as GM.

I feel that our actual FO will let us down.

[dbatesman]

27 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

Macc hasn't rushed to grab the star positions on the roster which makes it look worse than it actually is. He's said in the past that part of his plan is to develop positions with depth--like PIT--so the team doesn't have to rely on overspending in FA on non-star talent rolls.

Then why did he try to give $40 million to Dont'a Hightower?

[T0mShane]

16 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Here's a question.

If you put Carson Wentz or Jared Goff (this year's version) on this team, this season, how many wins do you think we would have.  If you go with 6-5 or higher, then the roster is in pretty decent shape.  Given that we're 4-7 with Josh McCown and his inability to play competent football in the last 15 minutes of a game, I don't see that as a stretch. 

Definitely holes.  Definitely more issues than QB.  But if you do manage to fix that and LT, I think everything else is manageable and we are a legitimate playoff contender.  Remember we get Enunwa back next year.  I think we still need one 'star' offensive player, either at WR or RB, but I think with Kearse, Anderson, Enunwa, Powell and ASJ we have at least some young talent that can make plays.

Honestly, I think our biggest talent hole after QB is Head Coach.

 

Ahhhhhhh, see here’s the thing now: too many fans are referring to the fact that we’re lacking on offense and defense at some very crucial, expensive positions as a passive event—like they’re just unfortunate occurrences that need to be remedied. It exonerates Maccagnan and Bowles for consciously ignoring those positions since the day they walked in the door, and it was entirely predictable that they would be here going into Year Four without those positions being even remotely filled. And to suggest that they can or will somehow fill them in the future is what we’ve been saying about this regime for three years. Your draft ILBs and strong safeties in the first round, there’s a cost for that, and that bill is coming due.

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Ahhhhhhh, see here’s the thing now: too many fans are referring to the fact that we’re lacking on offense and defense at some very crucial, expensive positions as a passive event—like they’re just unfortunate occurrences that need to be remedied. It exonerates Maccagnan and Bowles for consciously ignoring those positions since the day they walked in the door, and it was entirely predictable that they would be here going into Year Four without those positions being even remotely filled. And to suggest that they can or will somehow fill them in the future is what we’ve been saying about this regime for three years. Your draft ILBs and strong safeties in the first round, there’s a cost for that, and that bill is coming due.

The way people handwave away acquiring a QB, or a pass rusher, or a #1 corner, is nothing short of astounding to me. The best teams in the league have trouble filling these positions, but we're supposed to believe these two cretins haven't done so because they haven't felt like it yet, and they're just biding their time, and they'll totally do it this offseason, just wait and see.

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

The way people handwave away acquiring a QB, or a pass rusher, or a #1 corner, is nothing short of astounding to me. The best teams in the league have trouble filling these positions, but we're supposed to believe these two cretins haven't done so because they haven't felt like it yet, and they're just biding their time, and they'll totally do it this offseason, just wait and see.

What if—and stay with me now—what if they keep overdrafting non-premium positions and whiffing on premium positions (Devin Smith, Mauldin, Hackenberg, Petty) because they simply lack the ability to identify talent at those positions.

[HighPitch]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Roster is fine for what it is, a team in mid-rebuild.

We are horrible at QB, that clearly needs addressed.

We are very weak on the O-line, that too needs addressed.

We are fine at WR, TE and RB.  Our talent there is acceptable, if Forte is cut and another back brought in.

We are fine on the D-Line, they need to play better (Coaching).

We are fine at LB, could use a little help, again, needs better play from the talent there.

We are a bit weak at CB, that's need #3 behind QB and O-line.

We are (or should be) set at Safety.

We could use a decent returner, but return is a lost cause in the current NFL.  All that matters is catching it and not fumbling it tbqh.

We're five-six players from being as good as anyone in the AFC.  QB (difficult I admit), two (or three) O-linemen, a #1 CB, and maybe a LB.  5 guys.  Add in a mid-round RB, and call it 6 guys.

The Jets can (and should) be a competitive playoff-chasing team in 2018 if managed and coached correctly.   

2018 Plan:

1. Round 1 Baker Mayfield, QB
2. Round 2, BAP O-Line
3. Round 2, BAP O-Line/CB/LB
4. Round 3, BAP CB/LB/RB
5. Round 4, BAP O-Line/CB/LB/RB as needed
Rest is backfill and depth.

Free Agency, look hard at CB.  Look hard at LB.  And see whos about at RB just to be sure.

This is VERY doable.

Now u are making sense

[The Crusher]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

What if—and stay with me now—what if they keep overdrafting non-premium positions and whiffing at premium position (Devin Smith, Mauldin, Hackenberg, Petty) because they simply lack the ability to identify talent at those premium positions.

Or nobody gave them the "premium position" memo.