Hypothetical: Jim Harbaugh and Scot McCloughan to replace Bowles and Mac, with one condition

[T0mShane]

Harbaugh looks miserable in Michigan because he hates alumni and recruiting and parents, and the fan base for that program is possibly the most entitled group of douches in all of college football. He’s probably not going to last two more years there, especially if he can’t land a top QB, which he won’t because he won’t kiss anyone’s ass. 

 

McCloughan has some personal issues, but he’s a proven, brilliant talent evaluator who, along with Harbaugh, built that once-awesome Niners team, and made a bunch of savvy personnel moves for the Redskins.

 

Question: if you could hire both of them to take over the Jets—getting both Bowles and Maccagnan out of here immediately—would you do it? The caveat: they’ll only take the job if they’re allowed to sign Colin Kaepernick.

[Scott Dierking]

If it's a package deal_NO! I want no part of Harbaugh in the NFL, and no part of Kaepernick.

I would kick the tires on McCloughan, but I already know that he does not fit the Jets "character" test, which is a thing.

 

[Beerfish]

McCloughin is simply too much of a risk.  Not sure about Harbaugh, I would not touch Kapernick with a 100 foot pole.

[T0mShane]

Early results: you guys are self-defeating whackjobs.

[Kleckineau]

I pass.

McCloughan? Personal experience tells me alcoholics are notoriously tough to depend on.

Kaep would create a mushroom cloud media circus. His talent is not worth the price.

Harbaugh? I think he has lost his luster and the new car smell has faded.

[nyjunc]

No thanks.  would love Harbaugh and he's the only one that got anything out of the Castro supporter but the gimmick keep O was a long time ago.  I don't think he would be able to duplicate that success and Kaep at best is a decent backup now not worth the headache for the things he has said and done(and I'm not even talking about taking a knee)

[Kleckineau]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Early results: you guys are self-defeating whackjobs.

That would be Mr. Whackjob to you buddy.

[Warfish]

McCloughan the drunk/addict?  Why?

[T0mShane]

Just now, Kleckineau said:

That would be Mr. Whackjob to you buddy.

I am offering zero noble salutations to people who vote “no” on this.

[T0mShane]

Just now, Warfish said:

McCloughan the drunk/addict?  Why?

Because the caffeine addict we currently have is inept.

[FTL Jet Fan]

Fu*k it, what do we have to lose. That is where I am at right now. 

[Warfish]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Because the caffeine addict we currently have is inept.

I like my Scotch too mate, but I'm not sure that qualifies me for GM.

[Beerfish]

The jets have already driven most of us to drink, how is this going to be good for a new GM?

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I like my Scotch too mate, but I'm not sure that qualifies me for GM.

But it wouldn’t disqualify you, either ?

[Warfish]

Just now, T0mShane said:

But it wouldn’t disqualify you, either ?

If only my tastes in players was as class as my tastes in single-malt.

[Adoni Beast]

Id sign up for that in a heartbeat and thr condition that they draft a quarterback high, to sit behind Kap. 

[sourceworx]

35 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Harbaugh looks miserable in Michigan because he hates alumni and recruiting and parents, and the fan base for that program is possibly the most entitled group of douches in all of college football. He’s probably not going to last two more years there, especially if he can’t land a top QB, which he won’t because he won’t kiss anyone’s ass. 

 

McCloughan has some personal issues, but he’s a proven, brilliant talent evaluator who, along with Harbaugh, built that once-awesome Niners team, and made a bunch of savvy personnel moves for the Redskins.

 

Question: if you could hire both of them to take over the Jets—getting both Bowles and Maccagnan out of here immediately—would you do it? The caveat: they’ll only take the job if they’re allowed to sign Colin Kaepernick.

Abso-motherf*cking-lutely.

[T0mShane]

22 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

No thanks.  would love Harbaugh and he's the only one that got anything out of the Castro supporter but the gimmick keep O was a long time ago.  I don't think he would be able to duplicate that success and Kaep at best is a decent backup now not worth the headache for the things he has said and done(and I'm not even talking about taking a knee)

But if it doesn’t work, they’ll bench Kaepernick after a handful of starts and you still get a high level coach and talent evaluator to clean up this disaster. Worst case scenario is one year of bad Kaepernick and three good offseasons with a coach that knows QBs. Best case scenario is Harbaugh and Kaepernick bring the Jets to the Super Bowl.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

But if it doesn’t work, they’ll bench Kaepernick after a handful of starts and you still get a high level coach and talent evaluator to clean up this disaster. Worst case scenario is one year of bad Kaepernick and three good offseasons with a coach that knows QBs. Best case scenario is Harbaugh and Kaepernick bring the Jets to the Super Bowl.

He caught lightning in a bottle w/ Kaep in 2012.  the best case is not going to the SB and the worst case is far worse than you imagine.  If all Kaep did was take a knee I'd give him a chance but he has done so many dumb things since.  he would be a disaster here. 

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

He caught lightning in a bottle w/ Kaep in 2012.  the best case is not going to the SB and the worst case is far worse than you imagine.  If all Kaep did was take a knee I'd give him a chance but he has done so many dumb things since.  he would be a disaster here. 

Explain “far worse.”

[jmat321]

Yes I would.  I’d even let Kaep put an Antifa sticker on his helmet if meant getting Harbaugh.

[HighPitch]

51 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I like my Scotch too mate, but I'm not sure that qualifies me for GM.

No but if u r talented who cars if u like to drink

[Matt39]

Sure. But I dont really think Kapernick wants to play, nor do I think Harbaugh would go in that direction. If the premise was Cousins long term, it'd be a more interesting debate.

[T0mShane]

Dude: I see you drive an ‘86 Chevy Malibu. Here, take my Lamborghini.

Jets fan: What’s the catch?

Dude: I was eating a Filet O’Fish in there and part of it fell off and slid under the seat.

Jets fan: Whoa, no way. Keep your fish car.

[ZachEY]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Dude: I see you drive an ‘86 Chevy Malibu. Here, take my Lamborghini.

Jets fan: What’s the catch?

Dude: I was eating a Filet O’Fish in there and part of it fell off and slid under the seat.

Jets fan: Whoa, no way. Keep your fish car.

In this scenario the lamborghini ... Just lost his 3rd OSU game in a row, has never beaten his teams biggest rival (only the 2nd Michigan HC to fail to do so in his first 3 years) and this time, blew a lead at home against a back-up QB in the second half.

He is 0-4 against OSU and Michigan State at home.  He is 0-7 against top 10 teams, and will finish in 4th in the Big East this year.

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, gEYno said:

In this scenario the lamborghini ... Just lost his 3rd OSU game in a row, has never beaten his teams biggest rival (only the 2nd Michigan HC to fail to do so in his first 3 years) and this time, blew a lead at home against a back-up QB in the second half.

He is 0-4 against OSU and Michigan State at home.  He is 0-7 against top 10 teams, and will finish in 4th in the Big East this year.

I’m with you that Harbaugh hasn’t gotten Michigan over the hump and not beating Meyer is a demerit, but I also don’t think he’s cut out to do the things one has to do to recruit at that level. He didn’t have to get in the dirt at Stanford like the does at UM. The kids that Saban and Meyer happily and vigorously recruit aren’t even allowed on Stanford’s campus. That’s why I think he’s destined to flee UM before long. 

[ZachEY]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I’m with you that Harbaugh hasn’t gotten Michigan over the hump and not beating Meyer is a demerit, but I also don’t think he’s cut out to do the things one has to do to recruit at that level. He didn’t have to get in the dirt at Stanford like the does at UM. The kids that Saban and Meyer happily and vigorously recruit aren’t even allowed on Stanford’s campus. That’s why I think he’s destined to flee UM before long. 

Shouldn't he just be "coachin' 'em up?"

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Shouldn't he just be "coachin' 'em up?"

I think he coaches a lot of them up, then loses games to players whose fathers are awarded cush no-show “jobs” at the shell companies of corrupt Ohio State alumni. I’m 100% applying an excuse to Harbaugh’s failures at UM, but I don’t think there’s any question he can coach at the highest levels. It’s the peripheral sh*t he’s never been good at.

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Early results: you guys are self-defeating whackjobs.

Have you watched Michigan? Have you seen their offense this year? For a guy whose prowess is supposedly an imaginative offense and a qb guru, his offense has been entirely uninspiring. During his Michigan tenure, he has won on defense, and it was a defense that he inherited.

His claim to fame of glory is riding the coattails of Andrew Luck. He is a college coach if he is anything, and he may be more of a mid-major guy.

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 It’s the peripheral sh*t he’s never been good at.

Oh, sign me up for that guy, then.

[T0mShane]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

Have you watched Michigan? Have you seen their offense this year? For a guy whose prowess is supposedly an imaginative offense and a qb guru, his offense has been entirely uninspiring. During his Michigan tenure, he has won on defense, and it was a defense that he inherited.

His claim to fame of glory is riding the coattails of Andrew Luck. He is a college coach if he is anything, and he may be more of a mid-major guy.

No offense, Scott, but six months ago you were telling me how awful James Franklin is. Your coaching eye is SKEWED, pal.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said:

Oh, sign me up for that guy, then.

By “peripheral sh*t” I mean that he’s socially awkward and hates most people. Which appeals to me, personally.

[ZachEY]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think he coaches a lot of them up, then loses games to players whose fathers are awarded cush no-show “jobs” at the shell companies of corrupt Ohio State alumni. I’m 100% applying an excuse to Harbaugh’s failures at UM, but I don’t think there’s any question he can coach at the highest levels. It’s the peripheral sh*t he’s never been good at.

I'm kind of giving you a hard time... I agree that he can succeed at the highest levels.  I made that thread the other day because, if you subbed out OSU for New England, people here would be throwing fits.  We simply ignore it because we like the idea of Harbaugh.

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, T0mShane said:

No offense, Scott, but six months ago you were telling me how awful James Franklin is. Your coaching eye is SKEWED, pal.

James Franklin is NOT a great coach. He is an AWESOME recruiter. James Franklin is Herm Edwards heavy. Noit a game day manager.

PSU, with the talent they have this year, should be undefeated. They had a big lead on OSU, and decided to go into a shell. They came out flat after sitting in the locker room during a thunderstorm at MSU, and that has to sit on him as well. 

Just wait until you see the number of first and second round picks that PSU has in the draft this year. Franklin squandered that.

[Jet Blast]

I voted yes.

Harbaugh, I could take or leave and I am no fan of Colin Kaepernick. However, Scot McCloughan is a savant. He can be my GM any day and I think having him here would trump all the negatives.