The Good, bad and Ugly…Jets PFF Ratings

[JetNation]

There’s no denying that Pro Football Focus has their share of critics and believers in regards to just how much weight their player analysis should carry, but it’s fair to say that at the very least, they can give fans an idea as to how well a player is performing.

With that in mind, let’s take a look at some of their current grades on Gang Green.  A few of the best and a few of the worst among players with a minimum of 250 snaps.

The Best:

DL Leonard Williams (84.1)- Williams may not be lighting up the stat sheet with impact plays, but he’s played as well as could be expected as he’s been nursing a wrist injury for the majority of the season, limiting his hand work.  As he seems to be fully recovered, he’s logged 14 quarterback pressures over his past four games.

LB Demario Davis (81.4)- Acquired by Mike Maccagnan in exchange for former wasted first round pick Calvin Pryor, Davis has looked like one of Gang Green’s best players for much of the season and his PFF grade backs up what our eyes are telling us.

DL Steve McClendon (81.4)- Underrated and underappreciated by far too many fans, McCleondon does a lot of the dirty work up front for this defense and has improved significantly since last season, one in which he was a solid performer.  McCleondon’s success has been discussed many times over on JetNation radio and his performance is accurately reflected by PFF.

CB Morris Claiborne (80.1)- The biggest concern regarding Claiborne coming in to this season was his health, and while he’s been nursing a minor foot injury, Claiborne has  missed just one start this season.  Per PFF, Claiborne is one of only a handful of cornerbacks who has yet to allow a touchdown this season.

DL Muhammad Wilkerson (79)- The first head-scratcher on the list, Wilkerson has been invisible for much of the season with the exception of a few games but is still somehow grading out at a more than respectable level.  The biggest concern on his mind has to be how the Jets front office views him as they can cut ties with the lineman and save $17 million in cap space next season.

WR Robby Anderson (78.9), DL Kony Ealy (78.7), S Marcus Maye (77.9), QB Josh McCown (77.4), RB Matt Forte (76.3)

The Worst:

C Wesley Johnson (32.0)- This should come as no surprise to anyone who has been watching Gang Green this season as Johnson has been little more than a punching bag for opposing defenders all season.  Failing to upgrade or bring in a young player to compete with Johnson was a major oversight by GM Mike Maccagnan as we discussed here.

LG James Carpenter (37.4)- Easily the most surprising name on this list as Carpenter had been a fantastic signing by the Jets in his first two seasons.  Carpenter’s struggles, paired with Johnson, have been a major reason for the team’s inability to hold on to leads late in games.

RG Brian Winters (40.3)- Are we noticing a theme here?  The three players who make up the interior of the Jets’ offensive line are the three worst rated players by PFF.  The Jets’ inability to create space for their running backs all season along with many of the sacks taken by Josh McCown confirm that the grades are right in line with what we’re seeing on the field.

ILB Darron Lee (43.1)- Lee’s rating is more of a reflection of how bad he was early on this season when he looked like the same overmatched, undersized player who was pushed around by opposing defenses last season.  However, Lee’s rating was in the low 30’s just a few weeks ago and his recent surge has sent his overall grade ticking in the right direction.  Lee picked up his third sack of the season last week after picking up only two all of last season.

CB Buster Skrine (45.5)- No surprise at all here.  Skrine has turned in three strong performances all season.  Aside from that, he’s been an outright disaster.  These final five games will likely be Skrine’s last as a Jet.

OL Brent Qvale (47.3), TE Eric Tomlinson (49), RT Brandon Shell (56.1)

So take it for what you will.  Is it gospel or just a guide?

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[Maxman]

I think Johnson has been bad, but the grades that Johnson and Carpenter have are just wow. I am not defending either player. I am surprised they are that low. Moving on from Johnson next year is a no-brainer. He seems like you can bring him back as a back up. Winters concerns me on the OLine because of the contract.

Wilk's grade seems high because he took the first five games of the year off. He has been solid of late, I am beginning to think he is back on a restructured contract next year.

Darron Lee and Buster Skrine are both having similar seasons. They are either really good or really bad. Need more consistency from both positions.

[Spoot-Face]

49 minutes ago, JetNation said:

LB Demario Davis (81.4)- Acquired by Mike Maccagnan in exchange for former wasted first round pick Calvin Pryor, Davis has looked like one of Gang Green’s best players for much of the season and his PFF grade backs up what our eyes are telling us.

Thanks, Mike.

 

Tannenbaum, that is.

[Beerfish]

5 poor oline grades.  Better ignore it yet next year again, we can make due.

[peebag]

20 minutes ago, Maxman said:

I think Johnson has been bad, but the grades that Johnson and Carpenter have are just wow. I am not defending either player. I am surprised they are that low. Moving on from Johnson next year is a no-brainer. He seems like you can bring him back as a back up. Winters concerns me on the OLine because of the contract.

Wilk's grade seems high because he took the first five games of the year off. He has been solid of late, I am beginning to think he is back on a restructured contract next year.

Darron Lee and Buster Skrine are both having similar seasons. They are either really good or really bad. Need more consistency from both positions.

The sooner we get rid of Brian Winters, the better the line play will be.

[rangerous]

the poor oline grades speak volumes and explain most of the jets fall off in the 4th quarter of games.  they need to use some fairly high draft picks on the oline and not try to fill it out with free agents.

[Tinstar]

IMO, the most depressing thing about the Jets offensive line this season has been the play of LG Carpenter .

[JohnnyLV]

Just a thought: the interior lineman grades could be because of McClown failing to set proper protections. Johnson and Carpenter played solid last year. Difference is McClown

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, JetNation said:

LB Darron Lee (43.1)- Lee’s rating is more of a reflection of how bad he was early on this season when he looked like the same overmatched, undersized player who was pushed around by opposing defenses last season.  However, Lee’s rating was in the low 30’s just a few weeks ago and his recent surge has sent his overall grade ticking in the right direction.  Lee picked up his third sack of the season last week after picking up only two all of last season.

I’m no math guru, but I don’t think you’re being truthful about how averages work here.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, johnnysd said:

Just a thought: the interior lineman grades could be because of McClown failing to set proper protections. Johnson and Carpenter played solid last year. Difference is McClown

Because the center is so bad, the two guys next to him pay the price for it. 

[T0mShane]

Btw, what is Adams’ score?

[chirorob]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

5 poor oline grades.  Better ignore it yet next year again, we can make due.

Just put a young QB back there, what's the worst that could happen?

[jeremy2020]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Btw, what is Adams’ score?

70.7

[UnitedWhofans]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Btw, what is Adams’ score?

I believe PFF ranked him as average. Which for a rookie in the backfield is okay. I think he was ranked highly by so many people because of leadership qualities.

Correction: 70,7 is about right

[jeremy2020]

2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I believe PFF ranked him as average. Which for a rookie in the backfield is okay.

or you draft a corner in the 2nd round and he's rated 89.0 higher than anyone on the Jets

[BurnleyJet]

PFF has Mo "Captain Invisible", higher than Robbie Anderson,who had near 150 yards and 2 TD's lol

#credibility  

[k-met57]

we need OL help.

[dbatesman]

2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I believe PFF ranked him as average. Which for a rookie in the backfield is okay. I think he was ranked highly by so many people because of leadership qualities.

Correction: 70,7 is about right

PFF currently has nine rookie DBs ranked above him, including three safeties: 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2017-nfl-rookie-rankings-through-week-12

[Mogglez]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I’m no math guru, but I don’t think you’re being truthful about how averages work here.

I'm not Lee's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination, but he's played pretty damn well since his nightmare start to the season.  Kid took a great game against New England and turned it into a very solid stretch of games.  His overall PFF number is nowhere near a good indication of his recent play and is a prime example as to why that website is nothing more than a bunch of Sashi Browns' jerking themselves off over "analyticz".  It's not always bad but, more often than not, it falls flat on it's face.

2 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

PFF has Mo "Captain Invisible", higher than Robbie Anderson,who had near 150 yards and 2 TD's lol

#credibility  

See: Exhibit A??.

[varjet]

18 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

PFF currently has nine rookie DBs ranked above him, including three safeties: 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2017-nfl-rookie-rankings-through-week-12

Don't get me started.  Good guy.  Bad pick.

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, varjet said:

Don't get me started.  Good guy.  Bad pick.

Jesus Christ, talk about an overreaction.  It's 11 f*cking games through his rookie year and his number is skewed by a very bad game against, arguably, one of the best Tight Ends to ever play the game of football.  IIRC, he's also out-snapping a ton of those guys by an large amount (However, I might be wrong here).

You can argue that taking back to back Safeties and I won't dispute that, but Adams and Maye look like they both can be stud players.  When you double dip on a position like we did, it's all you can ask for.  

[Lith]

4 hours ago, JetNation said:

DL Muhammad Wilkerson (79)- The first head-scratcher on the list, Wilkerson has been invisible for much of the season with the exception of a few games but is still somehow grading out at a more than respectable level.  The biggest concern on his mind has to be how the Jets front office views him as they can cut ties with the lineman and save $17 million in cap space next season.

Pretty sure we would only save $11MM of Mo's cap hit next year.  He is due $17MM in base and workout bonus, but $6MM of his signing bonus will be accelerated into 2018 if he is cut.

[dbatesman]

7 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Jesus Christ, talk about an overreaction.  Adams and Maybe look like they're going to be stud players.

[varjet]

15 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Jesus Christ, talk about an overreaction.  It's 11 f*cking games through his rookie year and his number is skewed by a very bad game against, arguably, one of the best Tight Ends to ever play the game of football.  IIRC, he's also out-snapping a ton of those guys by an large amount (However, I might be wrong here).

You can argue that taking back to back Safeties and I won't dispute that, but Adams and Maye look like they're both going to be stud players.  When you double dip on a position like we did, it's all you can ask for.  

 I am not even saying that he is not going to be a good or even great player.  

I am saying that he is not a player that should have been picked 6th in that or virtually any other draft.  We are already seeing the players that were better picks in that spot from a value perspective.  If they wanted Adams, they should have traded down with someone who wanted a QB (or picked the QB).

People will say that because Watson was picked 10th last year that the Jets will certainly have options to pick good QBs.  I am not believing that.  The QBs will fly off the shelf this year.

[jetscrazey]

Makes sense.  O-line is the weak link of the offense.  If they draft a franchise QB they will need to spend on o-line to support him.

Jamal Adams nowhere to be seen in that article.  He's hitting the rookie wall it seems.

[JoJoTownsell1]

10 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

It bothers you so much that young jet players are doing well. You are the definition of a SOJF. Pathetic...

[Mogglez]

36 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Well since this a thread where people are cherry picking PFF stats to fit their arguments, I'll let the stupid website do the talking for me.  I didn't really need "analytics" to tell me that they're playing well.  It shows up every Sunday on film. They're, obviously, not perfect, but they're not making or breaking their careers 11 games in the NFL and, so far, they have done more than hold their own.

Look, I'm not defending the double dipping.  Re-do that draft and, personally, I'm taking Watson 11 times out of 10.  As well as Maye has played, im probably taking Dalvin Cook in the 2nd, injury be damned.  That said, the guys look really good and all of this is in hindsight so I'm not gonna sh*t on them because I can't get over the fact we passed up Deshaun and he looks like the question marks surrounding him were wrong.  It is what it is. 

[Mogglez]

11 minutes ago, varjet said:

 I am not even saying that he is not going to be a good or even great player.  

I am saying that he is not a player that should have been picked 6th in that or virtually any other draft.  We are already seeing the players that were better picks in that spot from a value perspective.  If they wanted Adams, they should have traded down with someone who wanted a QB (or picked the QB).

People will say that because Watson was picked 10th last year that the Jets will certainly have options to pick good QBs.  I am not believing that.  The QBs will fly off the shelf this year.

Really?  Right now I'm sure some of the Bears brass is probably wishing that they picked him over Mitch Trubisky.  Other than Watson, I can't think of someone who has been better value.  No one here wanted Marshon Lattimore after the Dee Milliner experiment so I hope that isn't a guy that you're gonna mention.  Malik Hooker, another safety (FS), has been another good young player that you could make the argument for, but Marcus Maye has totally out played him while vastly out-snapping him.  Dalvin Cook, who I loved, isn't a player we had any business taking 6th overall.  The only guy that I have personally felt bad about is Watson, which I have already conceded.  

Jamal was a top 5 prospect who went top 10.  He was taken below where he belonged.  Being pissed about Deshaun Watson doesn't change that.

[Matt39]

22 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Well since this a thread where people are cherry picking PFF stats to fit their arguments, I'll let the stupid website do the talking for me.  I didn't really need "analytics" to tell me that they're playing well.  It shows up every Sunday on film. They're, obviously, not perfect, but they're not making or breaking their careers 11 games in the NFL and, so far, they have done more than hold their own.

Look, I'm not defending the double dipping.  Re-do that draft and I'm taking Watson 11 times out of 10 and, as well as Maye has played, taking Dalvin Cook in the 2nd, injury be damned.  That said, the guys look really good.  I'm not gonna sh*t on them because I can't get over the fact we passed up Deshaun.  It is what it is. 

For the Adams pick to even be remotely justified he needs to start creating turnovers. Through 11 games, he has zero. He didnt generate many in college either.

[detectivekimble]

4 hours ago, Maxman said:

I think Johnson has been bad, but the grades that Johnson and Carpenter have are just wow. I am not defending either player. I am surprised they are that low. Moving on from Johnson next year is a no-brainer. He seems like you can bring him back as a back up. Winters concerns me on the OLine because of the contract.

Wilk's grade seems high because he took the first five games of the year off. He has been solid of late, I am beginning to think he is back on a restructured contract next year.

Darron Lee and Buster Skrine are both having similar seasons. They are either really good or really bad. Need more consistency from both positions.

Not a fair comparison.  Skrine is what he is.  Lee, like a lot of young players, is on the rise.  Look at his first five games vs his last five games. 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

PFF currently has nine rookie DBs ranked above him, including three safeties: 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2017-nfl-rookie-rankings-through-week-12

Is one Marcus Maye by any chance?

[detectivekimble]

52 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Jesus Christ, talk about an overreaction.  It's 11 f*cking games through his rookie year and his number is skewed by a very bad game against, arguably, one of the best Tight Ends to ever play the game of football.  IIRC, he's also out-snapping a ton of those guys by an large amount (However, I might be wrong here).

You can argue that taking back to back Safeties and I won't dispute that, but Adams and Maye look like they're both going to be stud players.  When you double dip on a position like we did, it's all you can ask for.  

Adams looks like he'll be a pretty good player, but not way in hell he was worth a top 10 pick.  Pretty good safeties are not hard to find.  He's not even better than Maye.  

[dbatesman]

32 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Well since this a thread where people are cherry picking PFF stats to fit their arguments, I'll let the stupid website do the talking for me.  I didn't really need "analytics" to tell me that they're playing well.  It shows up every Sunday on film. They're, obviously, not perfect, but they're not making or breaking their careers 11 games in the NFL.

That’s kind of my point. Then again, I’m not the guy crowing about overreactions two sentences before declaring that both Adams and Maye “look like they’re going to be stud players.”

[detectivekimble]

6 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Is one Marcus Maye by any chance?

Yes.  Maye is ranked the 39th overall safety and Adams the 62nd overall safety.  

[The Crusher]

2 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

Yes.  Maye is ranked the 39th overall safety and Adams the 62nd overall safety.  

Thank you. “ Take a safety every round before you find one baby !”