SALARY CAP dept. - " the absurd amount of cap space the Jets could have this offseason " ~ ~ ~

[kelly]

>    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/11/the_absurd_amount_of_cap_space_the_jets_could_have.html#incart_river_index

[Joe Jets fan]

And the defense rests....

[prime21]

We have some good young players currently on the team and hopefully a top 10 pick too.  Now with some money to spend and perhaps adding in a last place schedule (not that big of a deal but anything helps), 2018 could be a nice step towards building a solid team.  Yes I know, it all depends on who is the QB. 

[kelly]

On 11/30/2017 at 11:49 AM, prime21 said:

We have some good young players currently on the team and hopefully a top 10 pick too.  Now with some money to spend and perhaps adding in a last place schedule (not that big of a deal but anything helps), 2018 could be a nice step towards building a solid team.  Yes I know, it all depends on who is the QB. 

agreed !.. the QB is the " key ". we have to get one of the top QB's coming out of college in 2018   

[#27TheDominator]

How many players will be on the roster if they follow this insane plan?  I am not even sure that guys like Natson and Keaton do even count against the cap because there are too many players making more.  You do not "save cap space" by cutting minimum deal players.

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27 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

How many players will be on the roster if they follow this insane plan?  I am not even sure that guys like Natson and Keaton do not even count against the cap because there are too many players making more.  You do not "save cap space" by cutting minimum deal players.

If my math is correct 33 players would be under contract for 2018 with these moves. I agree I don't think we have $108M when all is said and done but we could have $90M with 37 players under contract. We have 7 draft picks so that brings us to 44 players and $80M in cap (plus or minus a little) so that would leave 9 spots open for FAs and UDFAs. I'd like to believe we'll bring back ASJ, Claiborne, Ealy, Enunwa, Davis, & a kicker. Which would leave 3 spots available with $40-50M in cap space. 

 

[Pcola]

18 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

If my math is correct 33 players would be under contract for 2018 with these moves. I agree I don't think we have $108M when all is said and done but we could have $90M with 37 players under contract. We have 7 draft picks so that brings us to 44 players and $80M in cap (plus or minus a little) so that would leave 9 spots open for FAs and UDFAs. I'd like to believe we'll bring back ASJ, Claiborne, Ealy, Enunwa, Davis, & a kicker. Which would leave 3 spots available with $40-50M in cap space. 

 

The amount of cap space we are going to have is incredibly misleading.

The starters who will be FA or possibly released: Johnson, Claiborne, Ealy, Davis, ASJ, Forte, Wilkerson, & Skrine.

To resign or replace these players is going to eat up at least 40-50% of our available cap. 

We will need two starting corners unless they feel that Roberts or Robinson can take on a bigger role.

And of course the worst unit on the team, the OL, 4/5 are coming back. 

And there is no QB.

And we will be fortunate to get two starters in this draft.

2015 - Only starter we got was Leo.

2016 - Only first year starters were Lee and Jenkins

2017 - We got Adams and Maye.

So we will need starting QB, C, TE, DE, MLB, 1CB, 2CB, and another RB.

Not to mention we need upgrades at least at LT and RG.

So for everyone claiming that this huge FA splurge is going to turn us into playoff contenders, I would warn them to temper their expectations.

[dbatesman]

So what is everyone more excited for: the part where Maccagnan gives exorbitant contracts to half a dozen mediocre players, or the part where the JN brain tells us all the deals are great because we can get out of them after two years?

[T0mShane]

“The Jets have a lot of cap space!” is the new “it’s got electrolytes!”

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

IIRC, at least 16 teams will have 50+ million in cap space. Anyone acting like having cap room in 2018 is an accomplishment is a dope.

So, would it be better for the team if they did not have much cap room?

[JiFtheOracle]

Big Mac had an insane amount of money to spend when he got here and boy did that work out well. 

[bostonmajet]

big difference between 50 and a 100; more to the point, the people they are talking about releasing aren't very good; with the exception to Mo who plays well but not up to the contract, we will miss any of them. They will sign 3-4 FA; hopefully a CB, OLB, and 2 lineman. These most likely will be gap fillers; then they will draft BPA in the first and likely 2 OL early on; biggest need of course is QB; the 'extra' players will be filled via bottom of draft and UDFAs; the team still won't be complete, but it should be much better.

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12 minutes ago, Pcola said:

The amount of cap space we are going to have is incredibly misleading.

The starters who will be FA or possibly released: Johnson, Claiborne, Ealy, Davis, ASJ, Forte, Wilkerson, & Skrine.

To resign or replace these players is going to eat up at least 40-50% of our available cap.

I could be off base but I don't think we resign Wilk, Skrine, Forte, or Johnson and I don't believe losing any of those players are going to hurt the overall production of this team.

I don't see why we can't resign Davis, Enunwa, Claiborne, ASJ, Ealy and Catanzaro for $35-40M. That would leave us with $50M, assuming teams will want to resign some of their own players you'd have to imagine $50M is going to look pretty solid. 

17 minutes ago, Pcola said:

We will need two starting corners unless they feel that Roberts or Robinson can take on a bigger role.

And of course the worst unit on the team, the OL, 4/5 are coming back. 

And there is no QB.

And we will be fortunate to get two starters in this draft.

I'm not sure we need 2 starting corners, I think Skrines contributions are easily replaced. I would like to add 1 corner and it appears as though that free agency will have some to choose from. Let's say we devote $15M to a CB that would set us back to $35M. I'm of the belief that Johnson is a huge issue with how the rest of our line has looked, if that is indeed the case then you'd be replacing the one lineman that is not coming back either through the draft (Price) or FA (Linsley) for arguments sake let's say FA and we give him $10M that's down to $25M remaining. The QB is the trickiest part, I think how we handle that in FA will dictate how we use our draft picks. Let's say we sign someone in the $15M range (don't care who it is but the idea is a competition with a rookie) then you leave $10M for draft picks and in season moves.

Fast forward to the draft we'll have 4 picks in the top 80 selections. It's not outrageous to think we could go QB round 1 and then double dip at Pass Rusher in 2 of the next 3 picks. You could take a LT with whichever other pick to hopefully take over if Beachum gets hurt or leaves after next season and it's not crazy to think a RB in the 4th could contribute once Powella contract is up after next season.

31 minutes ago, Pcola said:

So we will need starting QB, C, TE, DE, MLB, 1CB, 2CB, and another RB.

With the moves I've suggested we would have taken care of QB (FA + rookie), C (Linsley), TE (ASJ), DE (Ealy + the double dip), MLB (Davis), CB1 (Claiborne), CB2 (Trumaine Johnson) and RB (4th round rookie). We'd also have someone to groom at LT.

36 minutes ago, Pcola said:

So for everyone claiming that this huge FA splurge is going to turn us into playoff contenders, I would warn them to temper their expectations.

Playoffs will largely depend on QB play so I agree we should not expect playoffs but with a 4th place AFC schedule and how weak the conference already is before losing Big Ben to retirement, I'd say it's not exactly a huge leap. Heck we are in the playoff hunt this year and it was in an season we were expected to tank.

[Pcola]

2 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I could be off base but I don't think we resign Wilk, Skrine, Forte, or Johnson and I don't believe losing any of those players are going to hurt the overall production of this team.

I don't see why we can't resign Davis, Enunwa, Claiborne, ASJ, Ealy and Catanzaro for $35-40M. That would leave us with $50M, assuming teams will want to resign some of their own players you'd have to imagine $50M is going to look pretty solid. 

I'm not sure we need 2 starting corners, I think Skrines contributions are easily replaced. I would like to add 1 corner and it appears as though that free agency will have some to choose from. Let's say we devote $15M to a CB that would set us back to $35M. I'm of the belief that Johnson is a huge issue with how the rest of our line has looked, if that is indeed the case then you'd be replacing the one lineman that is not coming back either through the draft (Price) or FA (Linsley) for arguments sake let's say FA and we give him $10M that's down to $25M remaining. The QB is the trickiest part, I think how we handle that in FA will dictate how we use our draft picks. Let's say we sign someone in the $15M range (don't care who it is but the idea is a competition with a rookie) then you leave $10M for draft picks and in season moves.

Fast forward to the draft we'll have 4 picks in the top 80 selections. It's not outrageous to think we could go QB round 1 and then double dip at Pass Rusher in 2 of the next 3 picks. You could take a LT with whichever other pick to hopefully take over if Beachum gets hurt or leaves after next season and it's not crazy to think a RB in the 4th could contribute once Powella contract is up after next season.

With the moves I've suggested we would have taken care of QB (FA + rookie), C (Linsley), TE (ASJ), DE (Ealy + the double dip), MLB (Davis), CB1 (Claiborne), CB2 (Trumaine Johnson) and RB (4th round rookie). We'd also have someone to groom at LT.

Playoffs will largely depend on QB play so I agree we should not expect playoffs but with a 4th place AFC schedule and how weak the conference already is before losing Big Ben to retirement, I'd say it's not exactly a huge leap. Heck we are in the playoff hunt this year and it was in an season we were expected to tank.

You make a lot of assumption here.  Like the starting QB we are going to sign for $15M.  Is that McCown, Bradford, or Taylor (when he is released?)

And drafting a QB when we are behind at least three other teams desperate for QB.  So how many of those 4 top 80 picks do need to give up to move high enough to get our QB?

And by the looks of the available free agents, there are no game changers out there so while we are spending $100M of Woody’s money, I have a hard time seeing how we make enough upgrades to make a difference.

Also, the 4th place schedule is still up in the air because Miami also has 4 wins.  And you know how much our franchise loves meaningless wins down the stretch during so many of our forgettable 4 - 7 win seasons.

And to even acknowledge that people think this team was ever in the playoff hunt is the most ludicrous statement ever.  Not from you, but people who get paid to write this crap.  We have been in the high twenties in basically every power rankings since preseason.  We have lost 5 of 6 games is absolute magnificent fashion, and of the four wins we do have, Cle needed to turn the ball over three times in the red zone for us to squeak by, OT for Jax, and then two games where Buffalo and Miami didn’t bother to show up.

Record wise, we are one of the worst teams in the league.  And we are much worse than our record.  So let’s take a look at the NFL playoffs in two years:

Playoff QBs will likely be Darnold, Rosen, Goff, Wentz, Mariota, and possibly Watson and Mahomes.  

But no worries, We can sit back stress free as our team was eliminated from the playoff hunt again in November, and think back to how awesome those 4 wins were in 2017.  Or the wins over Ten and Miami in December of 2014.  Or how after 4 red shirt seasons, Hack is ready to challenge for our Backup QB behind (insert 40 yo jag bum here.)

 

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16 minutes ago, Pcola said:

You make a lot of assumption here.  Like the starting QB we are going to sign for $15M.  Is that McCown, Bradford, or Taylor (when he is released?)

And drafting a QB when we are behind at least three other teams desperate for QB.  So how many of those 4 top 80 picks do need to give up to move high enough to get our QB?

I do think we will draft no worse than #10 and I don't see Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph and Allen all go before we pick. I don't think we will trade up unless we can get in the top 2, since that is not likely I think we pick whoever falls to us. I said $15M as an arbitrary number, the only QB in FA I want to pay is Cousins. If we can't get him a placeholder like McCown or someone of that caliber should be well under that number. Don't get me wrong we'd be gambling on our first round QB but I don't see that big of a difference between #3-6 QBs in this draft. 

I think how we want to address QB will change how we look at the rest of our offseason. This was just one of the many scenarios. You could go with Cousins and then resign the players I said and then draft a Pass Rusher in the top 10 and go BPA after that. It also depends on how we finish the season, if we lose out maybe we like a rookie QB. If we win some games we could get more aggressive with a trade up or with Cousins. Still too much football left to play to say for sure. Also depends on who declares for the draft. The idea is we have a good amount of potential scenarios available to us.

However if you are grading the QB class as the top 2 or bust then I can't really have much of a discussion because if that's the case it's Cousins or nothing.

[Pcola]

2 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I do think we will draft no worse than #10 and I don't see Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph and Allen all go before we pick. I don't think we will trade up unless we can get in the top 2, since that is not likely I think we pick whoever falls to us. I said $15M as an arbitrary number, the only QB in FA I want to pay is Cousins. If we can't get him a placeholder like McCown or someone of that caliber should be well under that number. Don't get me wrong we'd be gambling on our first round QB but I don't see that big of a difference between #3-6 QBs in this draft. 

I think how we want to address QB will change how we look at the rest of our offseason. This was just one of the many scenarios. You could go with Cousins and then resign the players I said and then draft a Pass Rusher in the top 10 and go BPA after that. It also depends on how we finish the season, if we lose out maybe we like a rookie QB. If we win some games we could get more aggressive with a trade up or with Cousins. Still too much football left to play to say for sure. Also depends on who declares for the draft. The idea is we have a good amount of potential scenarios available to us.

However if you are grading the QB class as the top 2 or bust then I can't really have much of a discussion because if that's the case it's Cousins or nothing.

To be honest with you, if we don’t get Cousins, than McCown will be our starting QB in 2018.  Assuming that Darnold and Rosen are out of reach, the rest of the draft class is way behind those two.

When you say there is little difference between 3-6 QBs, you are probably right.  Baker Mayfield has enough baggage that I would be shocked if this team takes a chance on him in the first.  Scouts compare Rudolph to Bryce Petty.  Allen is literally on Hackenberg level of inaccurate.  That leaves Lamar Jackson.  Don’t know what to think about him except he does not fit the mold in the type of QBs that Mac has scouted or drafted since being here.

I would add that Jarrett Stidham is a better prospect that any of those 4 but with such limited experience, he’s not going to make an impact in 2018, possibly longer.

So we sit here stuck in a 7 year playoff drought that’s reaching historical levels.  This current drought is the longest since the 1970’s.  Meaning even the 90’s Jets that included Kotite and Coslet, didn’t go this long.  And there is no sign that it will get turned around any time soon.

[JetFaninMI]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

“The Jets have a lot of cap space!” is the new “it’s got electrolytes!”

[j4jets]

3 hours ago, dbatesman said:

So what is everyone more excited for: the part where Maccagnan gives exorbitant contracts to half a dozen mediocre players, or the part where the JN brain tells us all the deals are great because we can get out of them after two years?

The two year deals thing. It’s always a great deal when we can get Revis for only $39mil for 2 years at a near league worse performance. Ditto for Mo, who now knows his next year’s salary depends on his effort, which he’s trying to show. Definitely want him gone. As Randy Moss would call him, he’s a “slouch”. What sucks is even Macs only good major $ signing (Carpenter) has started to suck! 

But that Davis trade though. 

[rangerous]

3 hours ago, j4jets said:

The two year deals thing. It’s always a great deal when we can get Revis for only $39mil for 2 years at a near league worse performance. Ditto for Mo, who now knows his next year’s salary depends on his effort, which he’s trying to show. Definitely want him gone. As Randy Moss would call him, he’s a “slouch”. What sucks is even Macs only good major $ signing (Carpenter) has started to suck! 

But that Davis trade though. 

mo will have a cap hit of 9 million if he's launched after this season.  carpenter comes in around 2 million. winters is 7 million. johnson is a free agent. beachum is at 7 million.  so it looks like the two oline moves would be johnson and carpenter.  the problem with all of these cap estimates is that whoever they cut need to be replaced not to mention that it doesn't account for the players who will become free agents or rfa's.  so while 108 million in cap sounds like a lot, it can be gone in a heartbeat.

[Beerfish]

8 hours ago, T0mShane said:

“The Jets have a lot of cap space!” is the new “it’s got electrolytes!”

 

[Beerfish]

Re cap space., ONLY use it if you are signing younger players who will be here long term, ala carpenter.  Do not sign aging guys on the downslide.  I'd rather them not spend to the cap then than to sign more dogs to big bucks like revis and mowilk....yeah yeah i know mo wilk has not utterly stunk the last two weeks.,

[j4jets]

3 hours ago, rangerous said:

mo will have a cap hit of 9 million if he's launched after this season.  carpenter comes in around 2 million. winters is 7 million. johnson is a free agent. beachum is at 7 million.  so it looks like the two oline moves would be johnson and carpenter.  the problem with all of these cap estimates is that whoever they cut need to be replaced not to mention that it doesn't account for the players who will become free agents or rfa's.  so while 108 million in cap sounds like a lot, it can be gone in a heartbeat.

True what you say. But those players need to be cut cuz their price tags are not being justified on the field. Their replacements even at their talent level shouldn’t be a whole lot. They are essentially the 3rd/4th day of FA signing type players. None are first day FA type if that’s making sense. Mo may demand more in the FA simply because of the name and reputation. Else others won’t cost more than a few mil to replace. Hopefully premium position players can be filled through the draft. 

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6 hours ago, rangerous said:

mo will have a cap hit of 9 million if he's launched after this season.  carpenter comes in around 2 million. winters is 7 million. johnson is a free agent. beachum is at 7 million.  so it looks like the two oline moves would be johnson and carpenter.  the problem with all of these cap estimates is that whoever they cut need to be replaced not to mention that it doesn't account for the players who will become free agents or rfa's.  so while 108 million in cap sounds like a lot, it can be gone in a heartbeat.

Mo's cap hit gets spread over 3 seasons if he is a designated June 1st cut, so only $3M per year. I don't think we cut Carpenter, IMO it makes more sense to upgrade the center position and see if he plays well again rather than opening up another hole on the OL.

[Fantasy Island]

On 11/30/2017 at 11:43 AM, kelly said:

>    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/11/the_absurd_amount_of_cap_space_the_jets_could_have.html#incart_river_index

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/entertainment/kaley-cuoco-engaged/index.html

[#27TheDominator]

On 12/2/2017 at 10:52 AM, bla bla bla said:

I could be off base but I don't think we resign Wilk, Skrine, Forte, or Johnson and I don't believe losing any of those players are going to hurt the overall production of this team.

I don't see why we can't resign Davis, Enunwa, Claiborne, ASJ, Ealy and Catanzaro for $35-40M. That would leave us with $50M, assuming teams will want to resign some of their own players you'd have to imagine $50M is going to look pretty solid. 

I'm not sure we need 2 starting corners, I think Skrines contributions are easily replaced. I would like to add 1 corner and it appears as though that free agency will have some to choose from. Let's say we devote $15M to a CB that would set us back to $35M. I'm of the belief that Johnson is a huge issue with how the rest of our line has looked, if that is indeed the case then you'd be replacing the one lineman that is not coming back either through the draft (Price) or FA (Linsley) for arguments sake let's say FA and we give him $10M that's down to $25M remaining. The QB is the trickiest part, I think how we handle that in FA will dictate how we use our draft picks. Let's say we sign someone in the $15M range (don't care who it is but the idea is a competition with a rookie) then you leave $10M for draft picks and in season moves.

Fast forward to the draft we'll have 4 picks in the top 80 selections. It's not outrageous to think we could go QB round 1 and then double dip at Pass Rusher in 2 of the next 3 picks. You could take a LT with whichever other pick to hopefully take over if Beachum gets hurt or leaves after next season and it's not crazy to think a RB in the 4th could contribute once Powella contract is up after next season.

With the moves I've suggested we would have taken care of QB (FA + rookie), C (Linsley), TE (ASJ), DE (Ealy + the double dip), MLB (Davis), CB1 (Claiborne), CB2 (Trumaine Johnson) and RB (4th round rookie). We'd also have someone to groom at LT.

Playoffs will largely depend on QB play so I agree we should not expect playoffs but with a 4th place AFC schedule and how weak the conference already is before losing Big Ben to retirement, I'd say it's not exactly a huge leap. Heck we are in the playoff hunt this year and it was in an season we were expected to tank.

I agree with some of this and disagree with some.  You think that Trumaine Johnson is going to be a CB2?  I think he'd be far and away our #1 and probably would cost a good chunk of that Kirk Cousins money.  He's on his 2nd consecutive tag making over $16M. 

I also do not believe there is such a thing as a later round LT.  The only guys who are LTs are taken at the top of the draft.  The rest you start at RT and hope you can move them in 2-3 years.  Even guys in the top 10 are question marks at LT - Flowers #9 has sucked, Scherff #5 couldn't even cut it at RT and moved inside, Peat #13 moved inside.  OTOH, I guess it appears to have worked out this year.  I think Bolles#20, Ramczyk#32 and Robinson#34 all starting LTs. 

On 12/2/2017 at 9:25 PM, j4jets said:

True what you say. But those players need to be cut cuz their price tags are not being justified on the field. Their replacements even at their talent level shouldn’t be a whole lot. They are essentially the 3rd/4th day of FA signing type players. None are first day FA type if that’s making sense. Mo may demand more in the FA simply because of the name and reputation. Else others won’t cost more than a few mil to replace. Hopefully premium position players can be filled through the draft. 

You think that you can replace Wilkerson for "a few mil?"  I don't think that is particularly feasible, but it shows WHY YOU DON'T WASTE TOP ******* 6 PICKS ON 3/4 DE!  I think Wilkerson is typical of the Jet that the fans sour on because once he gets paid he is not allowed to have a down play or game.  If they had drafted Wilkerson where they drafted Lee people would be over the moon with his performance the past 2 years.  Personally, I think they are keeping him and I don't think they are redoing his deal. 

[Jetsplayer21]

They are saving it to pay McCown the big bucks with a fat 2 yr deal ?

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1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

I agree with some of this and disagree with some.  You think that Trumaine Johnson is going to be a CB2?  I think he'd be far and away our #1 and probably would cost a good chunk of that Kirk Cousins money.  He's on his 2nd consecutive tag making over $16M. 

I should have written that differently, didn't really mean that the way it looked, I meant you have 2 starting corners on the field at all times and those would be the two out there. Johnson would absolutely be the guy you want on the other teams top receiver. He's making over $16M because he is on the tag for his 2nd year, I think he will sign a deal at $15M with $40M in guarantees ($4M more than Norman). I think his signing would be contingent on signing Cousins first. If the deal can't get done I'd be okay with Malcolm Butler too. We'll have $90M in cap, unless our own FAs are going to cost us an arm and a leg, I think we'll have the money to add a CB and Cousins.

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

I also do not believe there is such a thing as a later round LT.  The only guys who are LTs are taken at the top of the draft.  The rest you start at RT and hope you can move them in 2-3 years.  Even guys in the top 10 are question marks at LT - Flowers #9 has sucked, Scherff #5 couldn't even cut it at RT and moved inside, Peat #13 moved inside.  OTOH, I guess it appears to have worked out this year.  I think Bolles#20, Ramczyk#32 and Robinson#34 all starting LTs. 

If we go with Cousins then we wouldn't be using that 1st pick on a QB that could go towards a LT. If we don't sign Cousins that opens $30-40M to explore FA LTs but I'll be honest I'm not really overly upset with Beachum, his injury history scares me more than his current play.

[Jetfan13]

I guess I don’t understand the dead money part, is that owed to the player but doesn’t count against the cap?

[#27TheDominator]

47 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I should have written that differently, didn't really mean that the way it looked, I meant you have 2 starting corners on the field at all times and those would be the two out there. Johnson would absolutely be the guy you want on the other teams top receiver. He's making over $16M because he is on the tag for his 2nd year, I think he will sign a deal at $15M with $40M in guarantees ($4M more than Norman). I think his signing would be contingent on signing Cousins first. If the deal can't get done I'd be okay with Malcolm Butler too. We'll have $90M in cap, unless our own FAs are going to cost us an arm and a leg, I think we'll have the money to add a CB and Cousins.

If we go with Cousins then we wouldn't be using that 1st pick on a QB that could go towards a LT. If we don't sign Cousins that opens $30-40M to explore FA LTs but I'll be honest I'm not really overly upset with Beachum, his injury history scares me more than his current play.

I thought you budgeted $15M for CB.  What do think it will take to get Claiborne and Johnson (or Butler)?  I'm guessing it will be closer to $25M than $15M.  Maybe $22M?  

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2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I thought you budgeted $15M for CB.  What do think it will take to get Claiborne and Johnson (or Butler)?  I'm guessing it will be closer to $25M than $15M.  Maybe $22M?  

$15M for the FA CB being Butler or Johnson. I included Claiborne in my resigning portion that I expect will cost us $35-40M.

[j4jets]

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

 

You think that you can replace Wilkerson for "a few mil?"  I don't think that is particularly feasible, but it shows WHY YOU DON'T WASTE TOP ******* 6 PICKS ON 3/4 DE!  I think Wilkerson is typical of the Jet that the fans sour on because once he gets paid he is not allowed to have a down play or game.  If they had drafted Wilkerson where they drafted Lee people would be over the moon with his performance the past 2 years.  Personally, I think they are keeping him and I don't think they are redoing his deal. 

When Mo was paid, I believe he had the second highest pay behind only JJ Watt. Is he really the second best DE in the league? Not even close. He’s a slacker. He didn’t have a down game. He’s in the midst of a 29-game “down” slump. And it shows on tape. And yes, that kind of effort can be replaced with a fraction of his cap charge...or his cap savings. 

[#27TheDominator]

24 minutes ago, j4jets said:

When Mo was paid, I believe he had the second highest pay behind only JJ Watt. Is he really the second best DE in the league? Not even close. He’s a slacker. He didn’t have a down game. He’s in the midst of a 29-game “down” slump. And it shows on tape. And yes, that kind of effort can be replaced with a fraction of his cap charge...or his cap savings. 

You'll see.  

I agree that they should not have paid him, but that doesn't mean he isn't a good player.  His "29 game down slump" includes this entire season where he has been as good or better than board darling Leonard Williams.  I know, I know the numbers lie, right?

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32 minutes ago, j4jets said:

When Mo was paid, I believe he had the second highest pay behind only JJ Watt. Is he really the second best DE in the league? Not even close. He’s a slacker. He didn’t have a down game. He’s in the midst of a 29-game “down” slump. And it shows on tape. And yes, that kind of effort can be replaced with a fraction of his cap charge...or his cap savings. 

His effort can be replaced for sure but his quality of play this season hasn't really been bad. I would consider him renegotiating his salary maybe but won't be that upset if he is shown the door.

[#27TheDominator]

Prediction for board's most hated player 2018 - Claude Pelon.  That's assuming that Maccagnan doesn't go all Maccagnan and sign someone like Frostee Rucker or Jared Crick.  I assume that he is off Jarvis Jenkins at this point.

[j4jets]

4 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

You'll see.  

I agree that they should not have paid him, but that doesn't mean he isn't a good player.  His "29 game down slump" includes this entire season where he has been as good or better than board darling Leonard Williams.  I know, I know the numbers lie, right?

No dude, his lazy ass has been under fire lately and he’s only starting to show some effort in the last few games. Otherwise, he’s been a slacker...or slouch. And for the record, you can’t replace the “board darling” within his cap charge. If Mo was making 5-6mil, no one would’ve been making any noise. Leonard over Mo any day. No has no desire in him but to get paid and that’s why he’s forging his way back to get another year worth of overpaid salary from the Jets, a very common theme during the Mac era.