Curtis Martin vs The Rest Of The NFL's RB's

[Savage69]

I heard that Aquaman was a little light in the loafers.

You should see him imitate a Blowfish..And he

always bends over for Eel or 2!! :wink:

[jetgreen13]

I can agree with that!! And I'll even say that

Martin at 31 performed eon's better then Emmitt

at that age..The last 3 yr's he played was for

Ego and Stats!!But some Young Jet Fans(Not You)

think Martin will be even better this year!! No

one beats Father time and neither will Martin!

Last year was a freak thing football wise! I've

never seen it in my years of watching Ball! Of

course we had a 6-10 schedule but I give Martin

huge props for his Career year at 31! Thank God

Holmes was hurt,Alexander didn't get 1 more carry

and Cory only played 15 games!!

Oh..And Hackett was the OC!! :idea:

just for laughs, name me 5 better backs in the NFL as we speak?

[Savage69]

name me 5 better backs in the NFL as we speak?

Why waste the Time!! You would say but have they

done it for 10 years?? But what the hell..

Holmes,Portis,Lewis,Alexander and Dillon! :wink:

[afosomf]

the point to be made is goog to great orgs get rid of a player a year too early rather than a year too

late.

CM is a fine person and a HOF RB, but this is a business, we had the chance to get a #1 for him over the last 2 years now we get nada for him and we do not have a viable replacement for him, DB is a backup

nothing more.

And we had LJ to retool with..................

[jetgreen13]

Why waste the Time!! You would say but have they

done it for 10 years?? But what the hell..

Holmes,Portis,Lewis,Alexander and Dillon! :wink:

i see you've added mind reading to your list of talents. PS martin is at least on par RIGHT NOW with all of those guys! :wink:

[YJF]

Why waste the Time!! You would say but have they

done it for 10 years?? But what the hell..

Holmes,Portis,Lewis,Alexander and Dillon! :wink:

I'll take this question. This is not based on total career. Because if we get into that. Martin wins on almost every case with the exception of a few. Two and three year players can't compare to Martin yet because they haven't played as many years.

Not fair to them and Not fair to Martin.

Talent wise, You can easily come to the equation that there are many backs with more physical talent than Martin.

It doesn't mean that they are better or will produce the same type of career Martin has.

Alot of extremely talented backs are tremendous at the outset and then their skill levels start to decline greatly as they get older. Being 31 and doing what Martin has done is an amazing accomplishment. He's maintained a level of excellence for a long time.

I think, Martin is a top 10 RB right now. Whether he will remain that. remains to be seen. Everyone is waiting for him to decline.

[jetgreen13]

I'll take this question. This is not based on total career. Because if we get into that. Martin wins on almost every case with the exception of a few. Two and three year players can't compare to Martin yet because they haven't played as many years.

Not fair to them and Not fair to Martin.

Talent wise, You can easily come to the equation that there are many backs with more physical talent than Martin.

It doesn't mean that they are better or will produce the same type of career Martin has.

Alot of extremely talented backs are tremendous at the outset and then their skill levels start to decline greatly as they get older. Being 31 and doing what Martin has done is an amazing accomplishment. He's maintained a level of excellence for a long time.

I think, Martin is a top 10 RB right now. Whether he will remain that. remains to be seen. Everyone is waiting for him to decline.

some are waiting for the decline more eagerly than others though.

[Savage69]

Talent wise, You can easily come to the equation that there are many backs with more physical talent than Martin.

It doesn't mean that they are better or will produce the same type of career Martin has.

Alot of extremely talented backs are tremendous at the outset and then their skill levels start to decline greatly as they get older. Being 31 and doing what Martin has done is an amazing accomplishment. He's maintained a level of excellence for a long time.

I think, Martin is a top 10 RB right now. Whether he will remain that. remains to be seen. Everyone is waiting for him to decline.

Top 10..That's fair..I also look at payroll in the

equation and how it affects the Cap Plus does the

player have any Value to the Club in a trade..That

is where going into the Season at 32 Martin is a

Zero..Bottom line at his Cost is Martin worth what

he brings to the team?? Without getting into the

emotional aspect is a 32 year old back worth that

much money?? I say no..But as the Hermophiles and

Martinette's love to say;..Deal with it!

[jetgreen13]

Top 10..That's fair..I also look at payroll in the

equation and how it affects the Cap Plus does the

player have any Value to the Club in a trade..That

is where going into the Season at 32 Martin is a

Zero..Bottom line at his Cost is Martin worth what

he brings to the team?? Without getting into the

emotional aspect is a 32 year old back worth that

much money?? I say no..But as the Hermophiles and

Martinette's love to say;..Deal with it!

hey savage..can you do card tricks too?

[Savage69]

hey savage..can you do card tricks too?

You got alot of Tex in you huh 13?? :wink:

[Boozer76]

Not really JW if Martin was such a Great Back

why didn't he get the Goal line Carries?? Can't

have it both ways..Excuses are something people

make for Martin because he's a nice Guy!But that

has nothing to do with Football! :wink:

And in 03 Jordan had a total of 46 carries and

only 1 in the month of Dec! In a 16 game season

that comes out to around 3 carries a game! Oh

yeah he hogged that ball from Cumar alright!!

Barry Sanders rarely had goal line carries. You're right Savage, he wasn't such a great back either. Guess you can't have it both ways either.

[jetgreen13]

You got alot of Tex in you huh 13?? :wink:

you tell me. you're the mind reader. :wink:

[Blackout]

curtis lead the league in rushing, no other RB in the NFL this year can say that

get off the guys ballsack, hes keeping up his end of the bargain

[PatsFanTX]

curtis lead the league in rushing, no other RB in the NFL this year can say that

He had one more yard than Alexander with 18 more carries.

If 5 or 6 other RB's had the number (373) carries than Martin did, they would have easily had more total yards.

[jetgreen13]

He had one more yard than Alexander with 18 more carries.

If 5 or 6 other RB's had the number (373) carries than Martin did, they would have easily had more total yards.

good point. he sucks.

[Blackout]

He had one more yard than Alexander with 18 more carries.

If 5 or 6 other RB's had the number (373) carries than Martin did, they would have easily had more total yards.

so its Curtis's fault that he has durability? give me a ******* break dude, staying healthy enough to carry the football is part of the job, your going to fault him for that?

[PatsFanTX]

so its Curtis's fault that he has durability? give me a farging break dude, staying healthy enough to carry the football is part of the job, your going to fault him for that?

Hey, I'm the last guy around here that is going to knock CuMar.

He's a gamer like very few.

The only point I wanted to make was that he only led the league by 1 yard with 18 more carries.

Average yards per carry is a much better stat when measuring RB productivity.

I learned that in Savage's RB class that he teaches. :wink:

[jetgreen13]

Hey, I'm the last guy around here that is going to knock CuMar.

He's a gamer like very few.

The only point I wanted to make was that he only led the league by 1 yard with 18 more carries.

Average yards per carry is a much better stat when measuring RB productivity.

I learned that in Savage's RB class that he teaches. :wink:

4.6

[Savage69]

Average yards per carry is a much better stat when measuring RB productivity.

I learned that in Savage's RB class that he teaches. :wink

4.6

Apparently you Guys missed the posts where I

praise him for having a Career year at 31! The

4.6 was his best..Certainly better then the 3.5

he had in 98! So it upped his Career avg to a

Whopping 4.1!In comparison Freeman had a Lifetime

4.5 Career avg..Here's what most of you can't seem

to get..I think Martin deserves the HOF based on

his Great Durability and Longevity!And if you want

to throw in Heart and leaves it all on the Field,I

also agree!But if you think he's the Best Back I've ever

seen or even the best Jet back..Sorry no can do!

Great Backs play great in Big games! Martin don't!

Snell and Boozer did..Freeman did! If you call 14 yds

a big time performance or 42 yds in the Super Bowl

Amazing I guess I'll have to respectfully disagree!

And one other thing..If I only take 20 more strokes

to complete 18 holes of Golf am I Tiger Woods equal?

[PFSIKH]

just for laughs, name me 5 better backs in the NFL as we speak?

Tomlinson

Alexander

Dillon

James

Ahman Green

Holmes

There is 6. As YJF pointed out, Curtis had a favorable amount of carries for 20 plus yards, but his long was only 25. Alexander and Dillon hit for 44. James hit one for 40. Green went for 90 and Holmes had a 33.

Curtis is a great back, but he is not flashy. He is as steady and dependable a back can be.

[jetgreen13]

Tomlinson

Alexander

Dillon

James

Ahman Green

Holmes

There is 6. As YJF pointed out, Curtis had a favorable amount of carries for 20 plus yards, but his long was only 25. Alexander and Dillon hit for 44. James hit one for 40. Green went for 90 and Holmes had a 33.

Curtis is a great back, but he is not flashy. He is as steady and dependable a back can be.

i'll say the same thing about your list as savages. martin is at least on par with all those guys, as we speak. lets not forget, nobody takes better care of the ball than curtis. you have to hold your breath every time green has the ball.

[YJF]

He had one more yard than Alexander with 18 more carries.

If 5 or 6 other RB's had the number (373) carries than Martin did, they would have easily had more total yards.

Even if Martin didn't lead the league in rushing. He's the wrong freaking guy to go after. This was one of the best damn players on the entire Jets team.

He had a great season last year. Yeah, He had alot of carries. That's not an insult...That's a testament to how good he is.

It's not like he averaged 3.1 yards a carry. He had 1,697 yards and 4.6 yards a carry with 12 rushing touchdowns. Considering the amount of carries, 4.6 is equivalent to 5.6 with 100 carries.

[YJF]

Apparently you Guys missed the posts where I

praise him for having a Career year at 31! The

4.6 was his best..Certainly better then the 3.5

he had in 98! So it upped his Career avg to a

Whopping 4.1!In comparison Freeman had a Lifetime

4.5 Career avg..Here's what most of you can't seem

to get..I think Martin deserves the HOF based on

his Great Durability and Longevity!And if you want

to throw in Heart and leaves it all on the Field,I

also agree!But if you think he's the Best Back I've ever

seen or even the best Jet back..Sorry no can do!

Great Backs play great in Big games! Martin don't!

Snell and Boozer did..Freeman did! If you call 14 yds

a big time performance or 42 yds in the Super Bowl

Amazing I guess I'll have to respectfully disagree!

And one other thing..If I only take 20 more strokes

to complete 18 holes of Golf am I Tiger Woods equal?

You make some valid points but YOU ARE WAY TOO HARD ON CURTIS MARTIN.

If Martin had gone down to injury last year in the preseason and Jordan had run for 1,200 yards on 4.1 yards a carry with 8 tds. You'd be kissing his fanny left and right.

By the way, Not only will Martin be a hall of famer when his career is over. How many Jets have made it to the hall of fame by the way.

Martin's #28 is going to be retired by The Jets when his career is over. He's the next guy to go on that wall. He owns every single Jets record imaginable.

You know all these teams that are looking for a RB or looking to draft one. They all hope that they find a back who can do what Martin has done.

If Corey Dillon rushes for 1,697 yards next year and scores 14 tds and has nearly 2,000 yards total offense next year. Pats fans are not going to rip him.

If Jordan duplicates what Martin did for Oakland. They are going to put him in canton.

Martin does it and he's still treated like a scrub.

I never get on Martin....WHY...Because he produces. He's one of the best damn things about this team and the level of disrespect and disregard for him is embarrassing.

The Jets finally get a player who produces and is big time on the field and off and we kill him every chance we get. :?

[PatsFanTX]

Even if Martin didn't lead the league in rushing. He's the wrong freaking guy to go after. This was one of the best damn players on the entire Jets team.

He had a great season last year. Yeah, He had alot of carries. That's not an insult...That's a testament to how good he is.

It's not like he averaged 3.1 yards a carry. He had 1,697 yards and 4.6 yards a carry with 12 rushing touchdowns. Considering the amount of carries, 4.6 is equivalent to 5.6 with 100 carries.

Yo, YJF, did you receive a gerbil bite this morning?

I'm not "going after Martin". I just made a comment to blackout about his leading the league in rushing comment.

I agree, Martin had a fantastic season last year, especially for someone who drinks geritol instead of gatorade when he's on the sidelines. :wink:

[SoFlaJets]

I hope Martin gets only(ahem) a thousand yards-I want to see some passing yards 3500 25 TD's from Chad Pennington INSTEAD of 1650 from our RB.Also,I'd be very happy if Blaylock put up the same type stats he accumulated last year with KC 500+ yrds and 8 TD's-If we can have those #'s we're going places folks.I'm gonna check the Titans stats from last year(I know Drew Bennett and Derrick Mason both had monster years receiving)and see what THAT model looks like.

[SoFlaJets]

OK here's some stats from the Titans last year to use as a model for the Dingers' offense-looks good to me esp.the way they spread it around in the passing game.

Name Att Com yrds pct TD Int

Billy Volek 357 218 2486 61.1 18 10

Steve McNair 215 129 1343 60.0 8 9

Chris Brown 220 1067 4.9 52 6

Antowain Smith 137 509 3.7 43 4

Player No Yds Avg Long TD

Drew Bennett 80 1247 15.6 48 11

Derrick Mason 96 1168 12.2 37 7

Ben Troupe 33 329 10.0 33 1

Eddie Berlin 20 278 13.9 31 1

Erron Kinney 25 193 7.7 21 3

Antowain Smith 22 169 7.7 31 0

Troy Fleming 19 164 8.6 37 2

Chris Brown 20 147 7.4 21 0

Shad Meier 25 127 5.1 29 2

Rbt. Holcombe 11 60 5.5 9 0

[Savage69]

If Jordan duplicates what Martin did for Oakland. They are going to put him in canton.

Martin does it and he's still treated like a scrub.

I never get on Martin....WHY...Because he produces. He's one of the best damn things about this team and the level of disrespect and disregard for him is embarrassing.

The Jets finally get a player who produces and is big time on the field and off and we kill him every chance we get.

Let me say this S-L-O-W..YJF!! I agree Martin can

run against bad Teams and sometimes against the

Ravens!LOL What does he do in the Big Games??

98 Championship or the 96 Super Bowl?? Or Pitt

this Year or the Pats or Buffalo?? If Jordan

couldn't run on them I would be on Jordan's

case! You talk about Martin HOF,Martin getting

his number retired..Martin Martin Martin..All

individual honors..You know what Impresses Me?

Jets win Bowl!! Not honor for 1 person..But the

whole frigging Team and Coaching Staff!!And when

that happens it would be nice if one could say Oh

yeah Martin did better then 14 yds..He got 20!LOL

But Blaylock got 134 and 2 TD's...

[PFSIKH]

Let me say this S-L-O-W..YJF!! I agree Martin can

run against bad Teams and sometimes against the

Ravens!LOL What does he do in the Big Games??

98 Championship or the 96 Super Bowl?? Or Pitt

this Year or the Pats or Buffalo?? If Jordan

couldn't run on them I would be on Jordan's

case! You talk about Martin HOF,Martin getting

his number retired..Martin Martin Martin..All

individual honors..You know what Impresses Me?

Jets win Bowl!! Not honor for 1 person..But the

whole frigging Team and Coaching Staff!!And when

that happens it would be nice if one could say Oh

yeah Martin did better then 14 yds..He got 20!LOL

But Blaylock got 134 and 2 TD's...

In all fairness, in XXXI he only got 12 carries. Of course, 18 of his 42 yards came on one play.