Ryan Shazier

[RoadFan]

I will probably wake up a few times tonight looking for some positive news that he isn't paralyzed.

Far too often these days, this sport does not seem worth it.  I feel sick.

And for anybody that feels obligated to post that the players "know what they signed up for."

Save it. Just don't.

[David Harris]

Ugh- he looked paralyzed from the waist down. Those legs just flopped over when he rolled on his back, like zero muscle tone. Hopefully transient spinal shock or something that will recover. He’s a tremendous player- Darren Lee’s mentor at Ohio State. 

I felt queasy. 

[Pac]

Don't care how many people say I'm being overprotective but every time my 13 year old has talked about playing football I've vetoed it.  I tell him I might let him play in High School but ideally I'll drag it on long enough for him to forget about it. 

I've had him taking marital arts since 11' and he'll be over 6 FT and well over 200 lbs.  If anyone wants to claim he's a softie they can talk to him about in in a few years.

[RutgersJetFan]

7 minutes ago, Pac said:

I've had him taking marital arts since 11' and he'll be over 6 FT and well over 200 lbs. 

Specifics por favor.

[Guilhermezmc]

Holy sh*t, Im speechless one of my favorite players in the NFL. I Just hope he's fine.

[Pac]

38 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Specifics por favor.

If I didn't meet you years ago at the J-Ville game I'd think this was creepy...

So far as I can tell he's straight... uhh..  he's a Taurus..  likes playing board games with me and the lady friend...  big fan of video games and just made honor roll for the 1st marking period in 8th grade.  Oh he's a Jets fan and thinks the future is bright.

[PS17]

Now Burfict being stretchered off. Jesus. 

[RutgersJetFan]

1 minute ago, Pac said:

If I didn't meet your years ago at the J-Ville game I'd think this was creepy...

So far as I can tell he's straight... uhh..  he's a Taurus..  likes playing board games with me and the lady friend...  big fan of video games and just made honor roll for the 1st marking period in 8th grade.  Oh he's a Jets fan and thinks the future is bright.

I meant on the martial arts, creepy guy.

[Pac]

8 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I meant on the martial arts, creepy guy.

haha.. I know.. just trying to be funny..  game took a turn for the worse w/ Burfict and now the Brown hit as I was typing.

Had him in "regular" karate, then Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, back to "regular" karate...  currently a green belt with a black stripe and working his way up...  strong kid..  surprised me recently as when I've gone in to wrestle him he's held his own.  My guess is in 4 years he'll make quick work of me.

[RutgersJetFan]

1 minute ago, Pac said:

haha.. I know.. just trying to be funny..  game took a turn for the worse w/ Burfict and now the Brown hit as I was typing.

Had him in "regular" karate, then Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, back to "regular" karate...  currently a green belt with a black stripe and working his way up...  strong kid..  surprised me recently as when I've gone in to wrestle him he's held his own.  My guess is in 4 years he'll make quick work of me.

Put him back in BJJ. Let me know when you do it because I'd like to send him some tips on how to choke you the **** out.

[dbatesman]

22 minutes ago, Pac said:

If I didn't meet your years ago at the J-Ville game I'd think this was creepy...

So far as I can tell he's straight... uhh..  he's a Taurus..  likes playing board games with me and the lady friend...  big fan of video games and just made honor roll for the 1st marking period in 8th grade.  Oh he's a Jets fan and thinks the future is bright.

legit LOL

[Jet_Engine1]

This thread took a surprisingly creepy turn...

 

Hope Shazier is OK...

[Ghost]

This is not good for football. I feel like this season has been a failure in so many ways. 

[August]

That makes you don't want your kids to play football I hope he pulls through. 

[pointman]

3 hours ago, Pac said:

Don't care how many people say I'm being overprotective but every time my 13 year old has talked about playing football I've vetoed it.  I tell him I might let him play in High School but ideally I'll drag it on long enough for him to forget about it. 

I've had him taking marital arts since 11' and he'll be over 6 FT and well over 200 lbs.  If anyone wants to claim he's a softie they can talk to him about in in a few years.

I've done anything that involved contact including boxing. Football is by far the worst on the body and brain. I'm pro letting kids play, but I also get your decision and fully support it.

[neckdemon]

6 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

This thread took a surprisingly creepy turn...

 

Hope Shazier is OK...

seriously....

went from hoping shazier recovers from a spine injury to someone with possible latent homosexual tendencies threatening to have his green belt 13 year old kick our asses when he gets bigger in a few years

[neckdemon]

3 hours ago, pointman said:

I've done anything that involved contact including boxing. Football is by far the worst on the body and brain. I'm pro letting kids play, but I also get your decision and fully support it.

my kid plays. he absolutely loves it. it's his favorite thing in life.....

is there a risk of injury? sure but there's a risk of injury in almost everything. 

[Matt39]

The Ju-Ju hit was clean and to be honest Burfict had it coming anyways. 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Morning update;

Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker Ryan Shazier was hospitalized after suffering a spinal contustion during the first quarter of Monday's 23-20 victory over the Cincinnati Bengals, multiple team sources told NFL Network's Aditi Kinkhabwala.

In a statement released by the team, Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert said Shazier underwent a CT scan and an MRI at the hospital and that he will not need surgery at this time. He said Shazier will remain in the hospital overnight for further evaluation with "hopes of returning to Pittsburgh on Tuesday."

Doctors will know more about Shazier's injury once some of the injury's swelling recedes, Kinkhabwala reported. Steelers owner Art Rooney II, coach Mike Tomlin and Colbert visited Shazier in the hospital after the game.

Shazier was strapped to a backboard and carted off the field after he rammed his helmet into receiver Josh Malone's thigh. He immediately reached for his back and wiggled both arms into the air. His legs did not appear to move after the hit.

Teammates took a knee in support of Shazier as medical personnel tended to him. The linebacker was initially taken to the locker room for a back injury evaluation before being transported by ambulance to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center.

"This is a tough game, a tough business," coach Mike Tomlin said. "5-0 is our brother. Our thoughts and prayers out to him. ... We care about that man, we care about all the men. But that's just a tough element of our game, one that we all understand."

The 2016 Pro Bowl selection was enjoying another fine season as one of the league's premier defensive playmakers. Tyler Matakevich, a 2016 seventh-round draft pick, entered the game as Shazier's replacement next to Vince Williams at linebacker.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000888327/article/steelers-lb-ryan-shazier-suffers-spinal-contusion

[nyjunc]

8 hours ago, Pac said:

Don't care how many people say I'm being overprotective but every time my 13 year old has talked about playing football I've vetoed it.  I tell him I might let him play in High School but ideally I'll drag it on long enough for him to forget about it. 

I've had him taking marital arts since 11' and he'll be over 6 FT and well over 200 lbs.  If anyone wants to claim he's a softie they can talk to him about in in a few years.

In martial arts they can get kicked in the head or slammed on their head, etc...  It's also very dangerous and watching both sports up close I can argue martial arts are more dangerous for a kid than football.  You have the right to hold him out and there's nothing wrong with that, we held out as long as could but training martial arts(especially if competing in tournaments) can be very dangerous as well. 

[nyjunc]

I hope Shazier is ok.  Sounds like he will be but who knows?

 

Last week was the 25th anniversary of the Dennis Byrd injury, the worst moment in our history.  I will never forget that day and I'm surprised it was forgotten this weekend especially since Dennis passed about a year ago.

[Savage69]

1 hour ago, neckdemon said:

my kid plays. he absolutely loves it. it's his favorite thing in life.....

is there a risk of injury? sure but there's a risk of injury in almost everything. 

There are deaths in NASCAR racing, moto cross or any motorized sport.. There are many injuries in Rodeo events especially bull riding.. Hell traffic accidents alone kill 37,000 people a year and injure 2.3 million.. And if you stay home that's where many accidents happen as well..

[Charlie Brown]

Thank you for this post.    

Thesetypes of injuries are precisely why I am so against cheap shots, because even knowing how to protect oneself you can get still get hurt.  

[Adoni Beast]

9 hours ago, Pac said:

Don't care how many people say I'm being overprotective but every time my 13 year old has talked about playing football I've vetoed it.  I tell him I might let him play in High School but ideally I'll drag it on long enough for him to forget about it. 

I've had him taking marital arts since 11' and he'll be over 6 FT and well over 200 lbs.  If anyone wants to claim he's a softie they can talk to him about in in a few years.

I also don’t want either of my sons playing. I played, but it comes down to risk vs reward. Not worth it. Try baseball, they get paid more anyway.

[ChuckkieB]

My son was gung-ho to play football at a very young age but our local little league and high school both eliminated football years ago, so his options were limited.  A local travel team a few towns away was his only option and as a result, his interest over time shifted to baseball which is now his life.  He's starting his third year on his high school varsity baseball team.

[FidelioJet]

Yes, I didn't watch last night and woke up to the news.

The older I get (I'm 45) the harder this game is to watch.  It honestly makes NFL less enjoyable.

Maybe I'm getting older, maybe I'm just sick of it - but I used to love watching big hits - now, I cringe every time I see one.  

I am all for the NFL to continue to tighten the restriction of excessive violence.  Something has to be done or the league will be finished in the next 20 years.

[Bugg]

3 hours ago, neckdemon said:

my kid plays. he absolutely loves it. it's his favorite thing in life.....

is there a risk of injury? sure but there's a risk of injury in almost everything. 

There is a much, much greater risk of injury if you lead with your head, either in tackling or blocking or trying to put a big hit on a player. And yet despite the fact that simply wrapping somebody up is the safest and most effective method of tackling players continue to lead with their heads. now with the helmet, some contact with the head is inevitable; it may even be instictual. If you could go back to leather helmets you could discourage or even eliminate that. But it will never happen. 

Hope Shazier makes a complete recovery.  

MY son plays football past HS and so far, so good. The worst injury anyone I know has sustained in youth sports is my cousin's son, who sustained a really bad concussion playing HS soccer goalie.This was a long recovery but he's completely fine. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

Hopefully Shazier just had one of those stingers where you lose feeling for awhile.  Maybe when the swelling goes down he'll have a full recovery.

 

 

imo- Bufict's a scumbag that goes out of his way to try to injury people every chance he gets.  He deserves to be taunted.   He's the bully from your childhood that you finally knocked out.

 

 

 

 

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For those who haven't seen the play

[Matt39]

Just now, bla bla bla said:

For those who haven't seen the play

That technique is awful. It's the first thing you learn when putting pads on- sky your eyes and dont lead with your head.

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Just now, Matt39 said:

That technique is awful. It's the first thing you learn when putting pads on- sky your eyes and dont lead with your head.

Agreed but this is also a relatively common type of play. This wasn't at crazy high speeds or launching at someones head, this is a play that scares the NFL because it looks like any other play you see on a Sunday. It may not be for 10-15 years but we will see an effect of little kids not being pushed into football.

[Matt39]

8 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Agreed but this is also a relatively common type of play. This wasn't at crazy high speeds or launching at someones head, this is a play that scares the NFL because it looks like any other play you see on a Sunday. It may not be for 10-15 years but we will see an effect of little kids not being pushed into football.

Anything with the spine whether it be football or biking etc is scary. Those hits that dont look bad/relatively low impact can be the most damaging. Recent family friend fell off his bike last month, wearing a helmet, hit his head in the wrong place and is now paralyzed. Scary sh*t.

[nyjunc]

36 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Agreed but this is also a relatively common type of play. This wasn't at crazy high speeds or launching at someones head, this is a play that scares the NFL because it looks like any other play you see on a Sunday. It may not be for 10-15 years but we will see an effect of little kids not being pushed into football.

it's already happening, the war on football is real.  Despite similar dangers in other sports w/ regards to head injuries it's all focused on football.  The NFL is still thriving but it is also dying a slow death. 

[Warfish]

34 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Anything with the spine whether it be football or biking etc is scary. Those hits that dont look bad/relatively low impact can be the most damaging. Recent family friend fell off his bike last month, wearing a helmet, hit his head in the wrong place and is now paralyzed. Scary sh*t.

A perfect example of why worrying about football more than any other activity is a bit silly IMO.  You can literally wind up paralyzed by near on any activity, especially the childish silly fun stuff kids do, at any time.  No football, but skateboarding, snowboarding, soccer, basketball, baseball, hockey, etc. are all ok?  People get concussed, people get paralyzed in all those activities.  

I find it interesting that modern society seems to have a belief that every single job or activity must be 100% safe, which is a bit of a pipe dream and frankly, a bit ignorant.  Jobs should be expected to maximize safety, but injuries occur at every job, as do (sadly) serious injuries and even death.  You're far FAR safer in the NFL than you are in many jobs today in industry or other hard dirty fields of labor.

We all feel for injured players.  We all want less injuries and better tech developed to help prevent injuries.  With that said, injuries happen, it's a part of life, and work, and the NFL is no more or less "bad" about injuries than any other physically active sport or profession.  And I know it gets folks all pissy, but yes, the amount of compensation is materially higher for NFL players than it is for almost anyone else who works a job.  

The hysteria over the NFL of late is just that, hysteria.  It's just another modern day version of helicopter parents who don't let their kids play alone outside (PREDATORS!), play in the creek (GERMS!) or play any sports (INJURIES!) or face criticism for (heaven forbid) bad grades (MUH CONFIDENCE!) and somehow expect well formed durable hard working and free thinking kids to come out at the end of the process.

I'd bet most of us here played sports in highs school at least, and college for many of us.  None of us died.  None of us have CTE.  And even if one of us did, it could just as easily have happened if someone nailed a line drive from my weak-ass hanging curveball that hit me in the head or chest.  Or if I fell wrong on the court going for a rebound.  Or went skiing.  Or worked in a warehouse as a high school part time job.  All of which I did, and many of you probably did too.

Life is scary.  Every single aspect of it.  Protecting kids from playing sports (or riding bikes) doesn't protect them from some unique risk, like most parental attempts at protection, it just weakens them.  

In before the usual 50 Negreps on this topic I suppose.  /shrug.

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1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

it's already happening, the war on football is real.  Despite similar dangers in other sports w/ regards to head injuries it's all focused on football.  The NFL is still thriving but it is also dying a slow death. 

Ooo yes I'm well aware. I think we'll see more Basketball, Soccer, and Baseball players in 10-15 years. We are already starting to see the beginnings of the end with players retiring early and giving up on playing midseason during losing seasons to prevent injury. Once the kids grow up who are being pushed into other sports get older we are going to see a much smaller talent pool. I think that may not be for another 10 years though.