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7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

It's quite a struggle to list off the things Macc does WELL.  Find a few decent receivers off the mid-late round/UDFA pile is about all I can come up with.  

The roster is just straight up brutal otherwise, from top to bottom.  Just brutal.  

But he needs to pick his own coaching staff now!

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8 hours ago, Pac said:

Not to dredge up the whole Geno debate but I believe he wasn't given any help while here.  Like him or not he was the QB during an 8-8 season with worse talent on offense than we have today.

My contention at the time was to see what he could do with a professional NFL offense.  I'm positive it would have been much better than that disgusting, disgraceful, unprofessional, selfish display we saw from Fitz in 16'.  But I digress.

Agreed, but I think his lack of leadership played a role in his demise so I'm not as hung up on it. I'm not sure the rest of the players wanted him to be the guy that year. I'd like to see him get significant starting time elsewhere to see for sure.

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8 hours ago, Dcat said:

Petty seems to get hurt easily so I'm sure we'll get to see Hackenberg at some point.  Sure to be a spectacle.

I'm looking forward to it. There is literally no downside to seeing him play. Worst case he is awful and we lose and get a better draft pick. At this point in the season the last thing any of us wanted to see was Mccown fighting fo meaningless wins. It was cute at the start of the season when there was a glimmer of false hope....

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Petty is a career back up. He's got a strong arm but not very good instincts. He has problems with his accuracy. I'm not sure if it's that he simply doesn't have timing down with his receivers, but when he passes he tends to aim the ball, rather than throw it to the spot where receivers will be. 

In short, expect the Jets to finish with a 5-11 record once again.

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3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

But he needs to pick his own coaching staff now!

I hear what you are saying and I do agree to a degree. 

But what the hell does the pick of the HC have to do with Maccagnan’s inability to bring in quality QBs???

He has personally passed on quality QBs in the draft and elsewhere so as to give Fitzpatrick and McCown the staring roles and to have backups whom no one believes in and none of that IMO has to do with the HC. 

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On 12/10/2017 at 8:12 PM, joewilly12 said:

Bryce Petty had 0 reps with the first team this week for that I give him a pass in todays performance, if he continues to play the the way he did then you open the door for Christian Hackenberg to start the last 2 games no ifs ands or buts. 

Evaluate the all the QB's and make an educated decision going into next season 

I think the reason Bowles did that is the game was out of reach and the O-line was a sieve. No sense knocking out 2 QB's in one game. 

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I'm gonna make a strong statement on Petty and Hack. These guys are going to get 2-3 games to be evaluated. And I know how brutal Jet Nation bloggers can be. Some positive guys on here, some negative and some knuckleheads. What if the Jets got Wentz or Goff and evaluated them their first 3 games of the whole season last year for that matter. Some would say they suck, dump them, bad draft. The point I'm attempting to make is it's nearly impossible to gauge the ability, ceiling or career of a QB in 3 games, or six games or even a season. Even McCown exceeded expectations and how many years has he been around. QB development has never been a strong point with the Jets through many different HC's and their staff. If Petty of Hack have to deal with the same O-line play we saw last week they will suck. I would say most if not all QB's would have been unsuccessful. No ground game and no blocking. Good luck to Petty and Hack. They're gonna need it.

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My only thought is I'd prefer to see Hack play these final three games.

Petty has had a number of opportunities so far, where he either under-performed badly, got hurt, or both.  He's not shown even once time in a regular season appearance that he is worth additional investment of time.

Now, I don't personally believe Hack is better.....but unlike Petty, Hack has not played a Pro down as yet.  And frankly, as a 2nd round pick, in his 28th NFL game being on the roster, he simply must be able to step-in and play at the vest least.  Not saying play well, I'm saying just play.

The ideal outcome is A. Hack proves he's a games-not-practice type player (unlikely) and B. proves he is absolutely horrible even now, and can be cut loose (more likely).

I fear Macc is protecting Hack by not playing him, allowing the ongoing fantasy of "he's learning, he'll be ready when he's ready".

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1 hour ago, MaxAF said:

I think the reason Bowles did that is the game was out of reach and the O-line was a sieve. No sense knocking out 2 QB's in one game. 

Thank you... Thank you... thank you!!!

This is obviously the key point!  This isn't FF you can't put folks in harms way cause people in the stands want a good show!

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1 hour ago, MaxAF said:

I'm gonna make a strong statement on Petty and Hack. These guys are going to get 2-3 games to be evaluated. And I know how brutal Jet Nation bloggers can be. Some positive guys on here, some negative and some knuckleheads. What if the Jets got Wentz or Goff and evaluated them their first 3 games of the whole season last year for that matter. Some would say they suck, dump them, bad draft. The point I'm attempting to make is it's nearly impossible to gauge the ability, ceiling or career of a QB in 3 games, or six games or even a season. Even McCown exceeded expectations and how many years has he been around. QB development has never been a strong point with the Jets through many different HC's and their staff. If Petty of Hack have to deal with the same O-line play we saw last week they will suck. I would say most if not all QB's would have been unsuccessful. No ground game and no blocking. Good luck to Petty and Hack. They're gonna need it.

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

My only thought is I'd prefer to see Hack play these final three games.

Petty has had a number of opportunities so far, where he either under-performed badly, got hurt, or both.  He's not shown even once time in a regular season appearance that he is worth additional investment of time.

Now, I don't personally believe Hack is better.....but unlike Petty, Hack has not played a Pro down as yet.  And frankly, as a 2nd round pick, in his 28th NFL game being on the roster, he simply must be able to step-in and play at the vest least.  Not saying play well, I'm saying just play.

The ideal outcome is A. Hack proves he's a games-not-practice type player (unlikely) and B. proves he is absolutely horrible even now, and can be cut loose (more likely).

I fear Macc is protecting Hack by not playing him, allowing the ongoing fantasy of "he's learning, he'll be ready when he's ready".

That is where I have been for a while. Just watching Petty, I am certain he won't be a starter in this league. Durability is a huge reason why.

If Hack is worse than Petty was (2 of 9) they should seriously both be cut and just play a waiver wire QB. Get these guys on the field, find out what they are all about or move on.

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Just now, Maxman said:

That is where I have been for a while. Just watching Petty, I am certain he won't be a starter in this league. Durability is a huge reason why.

If Hack is worse than Petty was (2 of 9) they should seriously both be cut and just play a waiver wire QB. Get these guys on the field, find out what they are all about or move on.

I won't quite go that far.....I'm content for the remainder of this non-winning season to see Hack play, for better, or worse.

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Just now, Warfish said:

I won't quite go that far.....I'm content for the remainder of this non-winning season to see Hack play, for better, or worse.

Yeah that was too far. I take it back. No waiver wire QB, that wouldn't be good.

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On 12/10/2017 at 7:12 PM, joewilly12 said:

Bryce Petty had 0 reps with the first team this week for that I give him a pass in todays performance, if he continues to play the the way he did then you open the door for Christian Hackenberg to start the last 2 games no ifs ands or buts. 

Evaluate the all the QB's and make an educated decision going into next season 

you are not going to evaluate anything with 2 QB's and 3 games this should have been done 3 games ago.

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20 hours ago, Maxman said:

That is where I have been for a while. Just watching Petty, I am certain he won't be a starter in this league. Durability is a huge reason why.

If Hack is worse than Petty was (2 of 9) they should seriously both be cut and just play a waiver wire QB. Get these guys on the field, find out what they are all about or move on.

i agree re Petty.. i don't know about Hack.

play Hack & let's see how he does.

i think we're gonna end up having to get our qb in the draft/free agency/trade dept.   

 

oh well.. cheers ~ ~ 

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On 12/12/2017 at 10:35 AM, Charlie Brown said:

I hear what you are saying and I do agree to a degree. 

But what the hell does the pick of the HC have to do with Maccagnan’s inability to bring in quality QBs???

He has personally passed on quality QBs in the draft and elsewhere so as to give Fitzpatrick and McCown the staring roles and to have backups whom no one believes in and none of that IMO has to do with the HC. 

Macc has no ability to evaluate the qb position 

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23 hours ago, MaxAF said:

I'm gonna make a strong statement on Petty and Hack. These guys are going to get 2-3 games to be evaluated. And I know how brutal Jet Nation bloggers can be. Some positive guys on here, some negative and some knuckleheads. What if the Jets got Wentz or Goff and evaluated them their first 3 games of the whole season last year for that matter. Some would say they suck, dump them, bad draft. The point I'm attempting to make is it's nearly impossible to gauge the ability, ceiling or career of a QB in 3 games, or six games or even a season. Even McCown exceeded expectations and how many years has he been around. QB development has never been a strong point with the Jets through many different HC's and their staff. If Petty of Hack have to deal with the same O-line play we saw last week they will suck. I would say most if not all QB's would have been unsuccessful. No ground game and no blocking. Good luck to Petty and Hack. They're gonna need it.

Your post highlighted the real issue though.  Goff and Wentz and now Trubisky are being given playing time and lots of it early on, even Kizer.  These teams decided to live with the short term pain for long term gain.

The jets refuse to do that.  If you want to blame anyone for 'not giving the qbs a shot before judging put that directly at the feet of the new york jets.

In very few cases does a rookie even a good one give you the 'best chance to win' in his rookie year and you certainly do not know this unless you get a fluke injury that shows they are ready,  (Dak and D Watson)

Geno Smith got a legit shot as a young QB and the guys we have now have not had a legit shot because the incumbent got hurt and geno was forced to play and the team decided to stick with him rather than sign some 38 year old marginally better QB.

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I will say it one more time; if Petty comes in and lights it up as opposed to stinking up the joint as everyone out here seems to surmise, then the whole Jets organization should be held up to derision and ridicule.  

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49 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

I will say it one more time; if Petty comes in and lights it up as opposed to stinking up the joint as everyone out here seems to surmise, then the whole Jets organization should be held up to derision and ridicule.  

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1 hour ago, Charlie Brown said:

I will say it one more time; if Petty comes in and lights it up as opposed to stinking up the joint as everyone out here seems to surmise, then the whole Jets organization should be held up to derision and ridicule.  

If and it's a big if, the O-line can give him time, the gunslinger may be unleashed. It's probably his only opportunity to make an impact. I'm routing for him.

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2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

I will say it one more time; if Petty comes in and lights it up as opposed to stinking up the joint as everyone out here seems to surmise, then the whole Jets organization should be held up to derision and ridicule.  

Agreed. I think that is the long shot of all long shots based on how bad he has played in the games. But if he turns out to be good pretty much everyone should be let go because they all seem to agree that he sucks.

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