Mike Maccagnan and Todd Bolwes Battling Conflicting Interests?

[JetNation]

Are Jets General Manager Mike Maccagnan and head coach Todd Bowles on the same page?  One sees the team for the long-term in Maccagnan, while Bowles is trying to win now, with some speculating that he may even be trying to save his job.  While we don’t know if either one has been given any assurances behind closed doors, we do know that Bowles has given several older veterans far more playing time than you might expect for a team that’s building toward the future.

When healthy and active, Bowles has leaned heavily on veterans in positions where the Jets have some youngsters who could use some valuable playing time to show whether or not they’re part of the team’s long-term plans.

Running back Matt Forte, wide receiver Jeremy Kerley and cornerback Buster Skrine have seen a large chunk action this season while running back Elijah McGuire, wide receivers Chad Hansen and Ardarius Stewart and cornerbacks Derrick Jones and Rashard Robinson have had to live on the leftovers.

Are Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan on the same page?

It’s entirely possible that some of the kids have simply not looked good enough to earn more opportunities, or in some cases any opportunities, but there does seem to be a disconnect between Maccagnan and Bowles when it comes to the quarterback position as evidenced by the handling of Bryce Petty.

Because of the season-ending injury suffered by Josh McCown last week, Petty will finally get his shot after a stellar performance this pre-season.  This, however, does not change the fact that Bowles made himself clear before the injury in saying he could not envision a scenario in which he would bench McCown in favor of Petty.

That’s fair enough if the Jets brain trust has no faith in Petty, but if we’re to believe NFL insider Ian Rapoport in regards to Petty, McCagnan clearly saw something he liked as multiple teams contacted the Jets to make an offer for the third-year signal caller only to have Maccagnan refuse to make a deal.

As #Jets prepare to start Josh McCown today, worth noting: 2 teams inquired about trading for Bryce Petty this summer. NYJ wouldn’t deal him

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) September 10, 2017

When you have a player on your roster whom the coach has no interest in playing, and the GM has little interest in trading, something’s not adding up.

The Jets are one of several teams who employ a system in which Maccagnan and Bowles are on equal footing, meaning Maccagnan may like a player, but isn’t able to insist he be on the field.

Is the disconnect a lone incident, or will there be more to come as Maccagnan enters year two of his first teardown and rebuild?

 

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[Augustiniak]

ironically, a great way to justify firing bowles is if petty plays well the next few weeks.  that would go a long way to demonstrate that bowles is in fact holding back the development of the younger players, especially qb.  

[Warfish]

Having the GM and Coach be equal is the worst system I can think of.  Only slightly worse than having the GM and Head Coach be the same guy.

Owner hires ----> President of Operations (A Pro), who hires ----> GM, who hires -----> Head Coach, who hires (with GM Approval) -----> Coaching Staff

Anything else is just asking for trouble.  We are a perfect example of that. 

[MDL_JET]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Having the GM and Coach be equal is the worst system I can think of.  Only slightly worse than having the GM and Head Coach be the same guy.

Owner hires ----> President of Operations (A Pro), who hires ----> GM, who hires -----> Head Coach, who hires (with GM Approval) -----> Coaching Staff

Anything else is just asking for trouble.  We are a perfect example of that. 

Yep. Right now this team is a mess structure wise. Especially with the actual owner not even being in the same country right now. Does the brother even have total power? Can he fire Bowles if he wants or does he have to consult with Woody. 

Even though Mac has his issues, I really think he should get a chance at picking his own head coach and sharing the same vision throughout. Right now it's all over the place. 

[Ex-Rex]

33 minutes ago, JetNation said:

The Jets are one of several teams who employ a system in which Maccagnan and Bowles are on equal footing, meaning Maccagnan may like a player, but isn’t able to insist he be on the field.

I would LOVE to know the 'other teams' that use such a screwed up system.  We must be talking Cleveland, SF, Indy, TB and Chicago and NOT any winning teams. That is ONE of the main things I hope Woody / Chris Johnson get fixed after the season. Fire Bowles, who is a goner after next season anyway so why delay the inevitable and let Mac hire the next HC.

[Ex-Rex]

15 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

ironically, a great way to justify firing bowles is if petty plays well the next few weeks.  that would go a long way to demonstrate that bowles is in fact holding back the development of the younger players, especially qb.  

That would do it I believe, and I hope Petty plays well but the Jets lose. Draft position is the most important thing right now.

[JetFaninMI]

7 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Having the GM and Coach be equal is the worst system I can think of.  Only slightly worse than having the GM and Head Coach be the same guy.

Owner hires ----> President of Operations (A Pro), who hires ----> GM, who hires -----> Head Coach, who hires (with GM Approval) -----> Coaching Staff

Anything else is just asking for trouble.  We are a perfect example of that. 

Completely agree. There has to be a chain of command and two guys at the top never works out. I think Bowles may be gone, especially with Woody across the pond munching on tea and crumpets. Bowles as little as I think of him as an HC has shown some growth but still has a ways to go in a lot of area's. Will Macchole want to bring in his guy? Does Macchole even know who his guy is? The whole thing is just such bullspit when you think about it. You would think these guys would actually learn something from past mistakes instead of making the same ones over and over again. What's that called again? Oh yeah. INSANITY.

[MDL_JET]

20 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

ironically, a great way to justify firing bowles is if petty plays well the next few weeks.  that would go a long way to demonstrate that bowles is in fact holding back the development of the younger players, especially qb.  

I think that would demonstrate that Bowles can with even Petty and immediately get 5 year extension. 

[Augustiniak]

7 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

I think that would demonstrate that Morton can with even Petty and immediately get 5 year extension. 

nobody thinks bowles has anything to do with the offense.  and bowles has not shown any inclination that he can or wants to work with a young qb.  it was only a few weeks ago that bowles said he saw enough of petty and hack in preseason, and that mccown is his qb.  he implied both sucked.  if petty plays well, it would not prove, but it would provide ammo for those who believe bowles has been holding petty back and, thereby, not acting in the team's medium and long term best interests.

[JiFtheOracle]

If that rumor is true...I honestly don't even know what to say.  Blind leading the blind.  My god, this ******* organization. 

[Happy Clouds]

6 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Yep. Right now this team is a mess structure wise. Especially with the actual owner not even being in the same country right now. Does the brother even have total power? Can he fire Bowles if he wants or does he have to consult with Woody. 

 

Makes me wonder whether there will ALSO be conflicts of opinion between Woody and Chris Johnson regarding how to move forward.

[T0mShane]

58 minutes ago, JetNation said:

One sees the team for the long-term in Maccagnan,

lol

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Happy Clouds said:

Makes me wonder whether there will ALSO be conflicts of opinion between Woody and Chris Johnson regarding how to move forward.

i think bowles and mccags will both kiss ass behind closed doors, make their case to stay, and imply that the other is holding them back.  let the backstabbing begin.

[pajet]

22 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

I would LOVE to know the 'other teams' that use such a screwed up system.  We must be talking Cleveland, SF, Indy, TB and Chicago and NOT any winning teams. That is ONE of the main things I hope Woody / Chris Johnson get fixed after the season. Fire Bowles, who is a goner after next season anyway so why delay the inevitable and let Mac hire the next HC.

I don't disagree, but we are in no man's land.  I don't love or hate Mac.   He has been average and needs to find a QB.   he hasn't done enough to get fired and he hasn't done enough to earn an extension.   The problem is if you fire Bowles (which I am all for) and allow Mac to pick the new HC (as it should be) you almost have to extend Mac because no worthwhile HC candidate would come here knowing that Mac could be fired the next year and he just has not earned that leash. 

[T0mShane]

Mike Maccagnan is focused on the long-term. The evidence? He only drafts players that aren’t worth giving a second contract to and only sign free agents that can be dumped after two years with a reasonable dead money hit on the cap. #Future

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, pajet said:

I don't disagree, but we are in no man's land.  I don't love or hate Mac.   He has been average and needs to find a QB.   he hasn't done enough to get fired and he hasn't done enough to earn an extension.   The problem is if you fire Bowles (which I am all for) and allow Mac to pick the new HC (as it should be) you almost have to extend Mac because no worthwhile HC candidate would come here knowing that Mac could be fired the next year and he just has not earned that leash. 

the smartest thing mccags can do to help his own job security is to draft a qb high and go all in, hire a new coach and go develop that guy.  he'll get a few more years that way.

[varjet]

36 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Having the GM and Coach be equal is the worst system I can think of.  Only slightly worse than having the GM and Head Coach be the same guy.

Owner hires ----> President of Operations (A Pro), who hires ----> GM, who hires -----> Head Coach, who hires (with GM Approval) -----> Coaching Staff

Anything else is just asking for trouble.  We are a perfect example of that. 

I think a real president that oversees both a GM and HC can work.  In your structure, there are 2 layers above the HC, which may be too much.

in the triangle structure I prefer (the Jax structure) the GM is really head of scouting.  Caldwell has gotten much better with Coughlin to report to. 

The NFL is a copycat league.  If Jax gets a playoff run, people will notice.  It is a good but expensive structure.  Owners are cheap.  

[kmnj]

I think bowles is a terrible coach and has to go-Mac is a terrible gm and has to go. I dont fault Bowles for not wanting to play Hack who is a terrible qb that should have never been drafted. If I was the coach I would play the best players as that is my job to try and win. Mac failed to draft a QB and should be fired at seasons end. My solution has been the same for years but the jets wont do it and have not since Parcells.Hire a guy that has proven to be a winner. Most fans would tolerate yet another rebuild if they have belief the guy doing it can do it because he has done it before . If you want top talent you will have to over pay for it but money talks and the ownership should do the right thing. No more "cap" guys or guys with no real experience

[Warfish]

11 minutes ago, varjet said:

I think a real president that oversees both a GM and HC can work.  In your structure, there are 2 layers above the HC, which may be too much.

in the triangle structure I prefer (the Jax structure) the GM is really head of scouting.  Caldwell has gotten much better with Coughlin to report to. 

The NFL is a copycat league.  If Jax gets a playoff run, people will notice.  It is a good but expensive structure.  Owners are cheap.  

Why is it too much?

President manages the Business, including hiring the GM.  GM ONLY answers to him.

GM manages the Player and Coaching Personnel.  Head Coach ONLY reports to him, NOT to the President.

Head Coach coaches the team, helps pick his staff, makes gameday player decisions, offers opinions on players he wants, etc.  He ONLY answers to the GM.

This is the way a professional organization would be run.

[ASH1962]

Any HC that flat out quits on his squad before the end of the first half of any game needs to go work somewhere else, possibly in another line of work. I do not see how any self respecting Jet fan would want this guy back for another year of chicken $hit, quitting in games football. They were 5-11 last year, they will be 5-11 this year, zero improvement, zero change and the same old in game mistakes, penalties, and quitting.

This guy makes Rex Ryan look like Vince Lombardi.

[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Having the GM and Coach be equal is the worst system I can think of.  Only slightly worse than having the GM and Head Coach be the same guy.

Owner hires ----> President of Operations (A Pro), who hires ----> GM, who hires -----> Head Coach, who hires (with GM Approval) -----> Coaching Staff

Anything else is just asking for trouble.  We are a perfect example of that. 

Absolutely, though the owner needs to agree and sign off on HC hire, but by then hopefully the owner and GM are already aligned with their team development philosophy. Also, the GM needs to maintain control of the 53 man roster, the HC the 45 +1

[bla bla bla]

I wonder what we were offered for Petty, I think that would probably be the biggest question. If we were offered a 3rd or better then I'd be pissed we didn't take it but if the deal was a 5th-7th rounder than I could see holding onto him and seeing if his value can increase more since he was under contract for 2 more years. Or they liked him as the back up QB that could potentially budd into a good QB.

[dbatesman]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Mike Maccagnan is focused on the long-term. The evidence? He only drafts players that aren’t worth giving a second contract to and only sign free agents that can be dumped after two years with a reasonable dead money hit on the cap. #Future

It's called a competitive rebuild, ever heard of it

[jeremy2020]

4 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

I would LOVE to know the 'other teams' that use such a screwed up system.  We must be talking Cleveland, SF, Indy, TB and Chicago and NOT any winning teams. That is ONE of the main things I hope Woody / Chris Johnson get fixed after the season. Fire Bowles, who is a goner after next season anyway so why delay the inevitable and let Mac hire the next HC.

The Bills used the Coach/GM on the same level with Rex. A stunning endorsement of the system.

[section314]

4 hours ago, JetFaninMI said:

Completely agree. There has to be a chain of command and two guys at the top never works out. I think Bowles may be gone, especially with Woody across the pond munching on tea and crumpets. Bowles as little as I think of him as an HC has shown some growth but still has a ways to go in a lot of area's. Will Macchole want to bring in his guy? Does Macchole even know who his guy is? The whole thing is just such bullspit when you think about it. You would think these guys would actually learn something from past mistakes instead of making the same ones over and over again. What's that called again? Oh yeah. INSANITY.

This is a very important point. If we had a proper chain of command, a GM would always have a "dream list" of coaches that, if available, he would go to the owner and at least discuss the possibility of bringing him on board. That assumes, of course, you don't have a great coach in place already. Macc very well may have such a list(my guess O'Brien would be high on it) but it is a moot point in our current situation. Which is why the Jets will never be a major league organization until the Johnsons cash out and we get new ownership.No true professional coach or executive will ever come here until the ownership is different.

[rangerous]

11 hours ago, MDL_JET said:

Yep. Right now this team is a mess structure wise. Especially with the actual owner not even being in the same country right now. Does the brother even have total power? Can he fire Bowles if he wants or does he have to consult with Woody. 

Even though Mac has his issues, I really think he should get a chance at picking his own head coach and sharing the same vision throughout. Right now it's all over the place. 

agree. they have to rely on woody to step in and make a decision and he's just not competent as a football guy.  i can certainly see where petty doing well for these last couple of games can cause a shake up.

[rangerous]

10 hours ago, pajet said:

I don't disagree, but we are in no man's land.  I don't love or hate Mac.   He has been average and needs to find a QB.   he hasn't done enough to get fired and he hasn't done enough to earn an extension.   The problem is if you fire Bowles (which I am all for) and allow Mac to pick the new HC (as it should be) you almost have to extend Mac because no worthwhile HC candidate would come here knowing that Mac could be fired the next year and he just has not earned that leash. 

and? just to state the obvious, mac gets the players but bowles is the guy who puts them on the field.  for all we know mac can be drafting really good players that aren't being used properly.  oh, the 3 game win streak was a tease and they have won a few games more than they should've but they still have a poor oline and still need a starting qb.  at this point we can only hope that mac's assessment of the players closely matches bowles'.  if it doesn't, uh-oh.

[Bugg]

11 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Mike Maccagnan is focused on the long-term. The evidence? He only drafts players that aren’t worth giving a second contract to and only sign free agents that can be dumped after two years with a reasonable dead money hit on the cap. #Future

IT'S A PLAN. Not a good plan but...

[Charlie Brown]

12 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

ironically, a great way to justify firing bowles is if petty plays well the next few weeks.  that would go a long way to demonstrate that bowles is in fact holding back the development of the younger players, especially qb.  

If this is shown even remotely Bowles should be fired and I am someone who wanted him retained.

[BigO]

19 hours ago, Warfish said:

Having the GM and Coach be equal is the worst system I can think of.  Only slightly worse than having the GM and Head Coach be the same guy.

Owner hires ----> President of Operations (A Pro), who hires ----> GM, who hires -----> Head Coach, who hires (with GM Approval) -----> Coaching Staff

Anything else is just asking for trouble.  We are a perfect example of that. 

True but on the field HC should have final say so who plays and GM has final call on who he trades or drafts to be on roster. Petty’s lack of development totally falls on Bowles. If Mac truly wanted Petty to play it would have been cool to see him trade McClown thus forcing Bowles to play Petty....,like in Moneyball $ ⚾️

[Hitman Harris]

20 hours ago, Warfish said:

Having the GM and Coach be equal is the worst system I can think of.  Only slightly worse than having the GM and Head Coach be the same guy.

Owner hires ----> President of Operations (A Pro), who hires ----> GM, who hires -----> Head Coach, who hires (with GM Approval) -----> Coaching Staff

Anything else is just asking for trouble.  We are a perfect example of that. 

Yeah right... we WISH!! 

I only DREAM of that kind of scenario... instead we may have the least likeable owner in the bunch who happens to be completely clueless....Or he is intentionally building a punching bag and selling cancer intentionally. Seems to fit the mold in that regard... He's laughing all the way to the bank. Doesn't NEED to win. Dedicated fans to a loser team. He is selling soilent green and laughing about it to his buddies. Doesn't even have to try. Doesn't even need to pay a front office! Snake oil big pharma cokcsucker. 

[Hitman Harris]

20 hours ago, varjet said:

The NFL is a copycat league.  If Jax gets a playoff run, people will notice.  It is a good but expensive structure.  Owners are cheap.  

And only the richest, most greediest cokcsuckers on the planet, which they are basically destroying... along with their little side bltch the NFL.. which they swindle povery stricken tax money to build their temporary cathouses of extortion and then charge the same taxpayers for the privilege of seeing their rigged BS sorry excuse for broadway production of flag football. These ppl all have way too much power. Game is over. in all senses