Bryce Petty really stinks

[Rangers9]

Next week vs the Chargers I would give him more long passes. He wasn't that inaccurate on those today. And he has the big arm. If they're doubling Robby go to Kearse etc. 

[NoBowles]

1 minute ago, greenwave81 said:

Gee...McCown with 15 years NFL experience and having played in the Morton WCO version previously looked better than Petty.  Color me surprised.  Then he's announced as the starter and Petty gets scout team reps.  Good times.

Sometimes Jets fans, and coaches apparently, can't see the forest for the trees.

It’s almost like reps and practice time actually helps, crazy sh*t!!

[Philc1]

6 minutes ago, jetswinbaby! said:

Hopefully Macc has learned something about drafting QB's after 2 complete failures...

Maybe he realizes that he can't draft QB's...

I think the Jets go hard for Cousins...

He’ll be a bronco or Cardinal

[Ghost]

23 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

It would insure both Mac and Bowles get fired so yes I’m in agreement 

I think it should signify their termination if they don’t. How do you draft a guy in the 2nd round when he might be a potential roster cut next off-season? I mean, don’t you want to at least see him play? Let the guy play!

[Philc1]

Just now, Ghost said:

I think it should signify their termination if they don’t. How do you draft a guy in the 2nd round when he might be a potential roster cut next off-season? I mean, don’t you want to at least see him play? Let the guy play!

Hack was a retarded pick. This guy would struggle to make a CFL roster

[Matthew007b]

I hope Hack gets the first start the last game of the season.

[Maxman]

9 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Hack was a retarded pick. This guy would struggle to make a CFL roster

This might need to go in a different thread so it gets the attention it deserves, but I think Hack would be good in the CFL.

The field is wider, you run combo routes with your wide receivers. If he misses the first receiver, he might hit the second guy in stride.

[Philc1]

Just now, Maxman said:

This might need to go in a different thread so it gets the attention it deserves, but I think Hack would be good in the CFL.

The field is wider, you run combo routes with your wide receivers. If he misses the first receiver, he might hit the second guy in stride.

Or maybe the second reporter 

[Philc1]

4 minutes ago, Matthew007b said:

I hope Hack gets the first start the last game of the season.

Macagnan will sign Kaepernick before that happens

[Bugg]

4 hours ago, gEYno said:

No.  Because unlike seemingly most of JN, I have the brain capacity to understand that he needs to go, but also that he's far from the problem with this team and his departure will be largely irrelevant to the teams future prospects.

Unless and until key positions are filled, true. Bowles is still a major problem though. He adds nothing of value. 

[Fantasy Island]

Run, Run, pass 3 and long, punt is not going to win many games.  Our punter sucks just as bad as Petty too.   

[BigO]

12 hours ago, FloridaJetsFan said:

And if Hackenburg is THAT much worse - hoo boy!

We are officially eliminated from the playoffs. It’s now time to play Hack. No excuses. 2 years in and he hasn’t taken 1 snap in a regular season game. Just absurd. It’s time the fans are allowed a good laugh and see Hack. We deserve the comic relief and hold Mac responsible for his putrid drafts. Hack is wack and so is Mac so expose this mess and don’t look back. 

[BigO]

6 hours ago, greenwave81 said:

Yes, it is an organizational problem...which requires an 'organizational' answer, not a 'Todd Bowles' answer because he wants a job with 5 wins when 2-3 wins nets them a better chance of long-term success.  And, Josh McCown developed NO ONE....not even Robby Anderson.

The easy part of our schedule was the beginning, and that was when the young QB's should have been playing...not now, in garbage time with 8-9 losses, when the team is deflated.

Josh McCown should never started a game unless the two young guys got hurt...he was never an 'organizational' answer.

The truth is out there.  But we may never know what the deal is with how Bowles/Mac has managed the QB position this year OR NEXT.  Regardless, this management is a running joke. They point at 5 wins like its some sort of moral victory when in fact it’s a mind boggling,  head scratching exercise in oblivious futility.  Not only have they deprived us of a top 2 pick to select a franchise QB, they have insulted us and put an inferior product on the field and destroyed any hope in the near future of building something that could have been special. Look at the Rams, Jags, Eagles, Vikes. All of them have done a 180 in just a few years by DRAFTING smart and filling key holes with competent FA’s. I have little hope for this team other than the occasional fall in your lap no brainer draft pick Mac is presented by the football gods. But even that has minimal effect since Mac and Bowles are 2 sides of the same clueless coin. Until both are gone, we are subject to this ever growing mess. 

[BigO]

5 hours ago, Bugg said:

Unless and until key positions are filled, true. Bowles is still a major problem though. He adds nothing of value. 

Not true. Bubba Shrimp ? special $9.95 bucket of shrimp. 

[BigO]

6 hours ago, Philc1 said:

He’ll be a bronco or Cardinal

Good call. Why on God’s good earth would Cousins want to come to this terrible team. Broncs and Cards have very good defenses and just need stability at the QB position. Cousins is going to get a major contract wherever he goes. He’s in the driving seat. 

[redlichtie]

11 hours ago, johnnysd said:

The great majority of misses were on short throws into traffic when the Saints were daring him to go deep. He looked poor but its what his 5th start? He also threw some beautiful passes that fit his game better. The offensive plan today did him no favors it did not fit his strengths at all. I think Petty is a very emotional player as well and it will be interesting to see his performance as he gets more comfortable. Only Jets fans would pine for a 38 year old JAG like McClown. Petty should have 15 starts by now, and most or all of this season to see if he develops. but it's the Jets so well just throw him off the deep end for 3 games and then go find another water-treading JAGOFF

Agree he threw a couple of peaches out there, the long completion to McGuire was a thing of beauty, but all those short and intermediate throws have got to be made and he was just so wildly inconsistent and what’s worse he just never really looked like he’d make them, there’s just a feeling with Petty that’s more hope than expectation. 

The bizarre thing is those hitches and quick outs that he was missing today were exactly the throws he was nailing time after time in college at Baylor. I think the game plan was vanilla to try to ease him into it and build some confidence and sure enough he was only down by 5 with his defence giving him ample opportunities and great field position all 2nd half and he couldn’t take that step. Sooner or later you have to take your chance and show something. He just doesn’t have any rhythm or feel and granted this offence isn’t the most helpful in that sense but you can’t always fall back on excuses about play-calling or lack of a running attack or a poor OL or inexperienced WR’s eventually you have to just do something.

[jack48]

14 hours ago, FloridaJetsFan said:

And if Hackenburg is THAT much worse - hoo boy!

Very inaccurate. Such easy completions badly thrown.  And he gets his passes blocked all the time.

[jack48]

14 hours ago, Larz said:

There is enough in petty to keep you interested, but he misses too many open guys with clean pockets bye a mile. 

Bryce

Petty

BP

Bounce 

Pass 

Hack will see the field this year because Petty always gets hurt

[ZachEY]

10 hours ago, greenwave81 said:

Gee...McCown with 15 years NFL experience and having played in the Morton WCO version previously looked better than Petty.  Color me surprised.  Then he's announced as the starter and Petty gets scout team reps.  Good times.

Sometimes Jets fans, and coaches apparently, can't see the forest for the trees.

It's not about McCown being better.  It's about Petty being so bad that he doesn't belong on the field.  Something that yesterday only furthered.

[ZachEY]

11 hours ago, NoBowles said:

Eh, I am not one to jump to conclusions on any QB until I see them do something consistently, one way or another. There are always going to be a ton of fans who love the backup QB. Hell, a lot of Jets fans loved Geno Smith when he was backing up Ryan Fitzpatrick.

As for running someone out of town too soon, I am not really of the theory that a QB can either play or cannot play, but rather the majority of good QB's are the right person, in the right place, with the right system, the right players around them and the right training. The Jets in all my years of being a fan have not had one coach or system I would look at and say was conducive to developing a QB. In addition, I am very much of the opinion that the first few years in the NFL are where a QB is made or destroyed. Very few good QB's have ever looked bad in one place and then gone on to become good somewhere else.

The odds of Petty or Hackenberg being a good QB are extremely low, regardless of what anyone thinks about them or Mac or Bowles, but rather just based on the numbers. There are about 10-15 people on earth at any point in time who can play NFL QB at a high level, so the odds that either of our 2 can, is not good. Then again, the odds of me cashing in on my term life policy is not very good either statistically, but that doesn't mean I should write off the idea of a term life policy of being a good one either.

I personally think the haste of judgement of a QB is extremely short sighted and shows a complete lack of understanding of the NFL and in particular the QB position and its complexity. Hell, Eli Manning was considered a colossal bust in week 16 of his 4th season by most of the NFL and even the most hard core Giants fans, and is now likely going to the hall of fame. And no, I don't think all QBs deserve 4 years of evaluation, but I think 5 starts is not the right number either. 

I don't think it's completely black and white, but I think, if I had to make up a number, about 80% of it is a QB being able to play or not.  We're even seeing solid predictive metrics of whether or not a QB will be able to play, based on things as simple as number of starts and completion percentage in college.  So, while I appreciate what you're saying, I simply don't agree.

[ChuckkieB]

It's actually quite alarming how badly Mac swung and missed with Petty AND Hackenberg.  Is this the guy we really want drafting a QB for us in 2018? 

[TuscanyTile2]

4 hours ago, BigO said:

We are officially eliminated from the playoffs. It’s now time to play Hack. No excuses. 2 years in and he hasn’t taken 1 snap in a regular season game. Just absurd. It’s time the fans are allowed a good laugh and see Hack. We deserve the comic relief and hold Mac responsible for his putrid drafts. Hack is wack and so is Mac so expose this mess and don’t look back. 

2nd year in and eliminated from the playoffs.  It is ABSOLUTELY time to see Hack in there.  The only way we differ though is that I still have some hope that Hack will be good.  I could easily be wrong on that (and clearly the CS thinks he stinks) but I'll withhold judgment until he gets a chance.

[MaxAF]

One game. Complete assessment of Petty for many on here. Some never had any confidence in him.. Hasn't started or practiced with the first team all year. O- line didn't give him much support. Run game was marginal. Game plan scheme sucked. I guess many on here expected him to go 32-38 with 4tds and no INTs. He threw a few nice balls. Looked shaky on some plays. He needs experience and game time for me to give him a full evaluation. 

[NoBowles]

13 minutes ago, gEYno said:

I don't think it's completely black and white, but I think, if I had to make up a number, about 80% of it is a QB being able to play or not.  We're even seeing solid predictive metrics of whether or not a QB will be able to play, based on things as simple as number of starts and completion percentage in college.  So, while I appreciate what you're saying, I simply don't agree.

I am more than happy to agree to disagree, but I would like to see some of these statistics you have seen that convince you, if you have them. I have looked, and quite frankly what I have seen, I don't agree with. I don't think its possible to normalize completion percentage in the NFL, let alone college which is 10x more complicated and has so many codependent variables.

In addition, the human brain does not universally develop the same way for all people, or at all ages, nor does everyone develop physically the same. There have been some parts of the world where physically they have been shown to develop much earlier or later than other parts of the world.

When I have looked at historic "franchise type QB's", not even HOF QB's, you cannot look at them and say the majority of them came in day 1 and showed they could play. I would argue today its even harder than it was 15-30 years ago to play QB in the NFL, in that the systems are so much different in college and the NFL than they were in years past. In years past they were considered more simplified versions of NFL offenses, now they are almost completely different. In addition NFL defenses are far more complicated than they ever have been as well. So even with the pass happy rule changes, I just don't see the argument for you can play or you cannot play, even though I would love to buy into it.

Look at a handful of guys, Goff, Marriota, Winston, Bortles, RGIII, Alex Smith. These are guys who have been called busts, stars and even in-between. Of course there are guys who come in on day 1 and are studs, but I believe that to be the exception not the norm.

I honestly don't believe most fans have even the slightest understanding of how complicated the NFL QB position is in today's NFL, and what goes into being successful. 

 

[NoBowles]

23 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

It's actually quite alarming how badly Mac swung and missed with Petty AND Hackenberg.  Is this the guy we really want drafting a QB for us in 2018? 

Is a 4th round draft pick really a swing? 

 

[BUM-KNEE]

38 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

One game. Complete assessment of Petty for many on here. Some never had any confidence in him.. Hasn't started or practiced with the first team all year. O- line didn't give him much support. Run game was marginal. Game plan scheme sucked. I guess many on here expected him to go 32-38 with 4tds and no INTs. He threw a few nice balls. Looked shaky on some plays. He needs experience and game time for me to give him a full evaluation. 

Agree

Petty looked like I figured he would, but I still have faith that he can be better. I see him as our 2nd string to our legit starter next season. (hopefully we actually get one)

[BCJet]

3 minutes ago, BUM-KNEE said:

Agree

Petty looked like I figured he would, but I still have faith that he can be better. I see him as our 2nd string to our legit starter next season. (hopefully we actually get one)

Petty cannot be getting reps in a competition to start for this organization next year, there is simply too little practice time and he has not shown nearly enough to be trusted to start games in the league.

We need to bring in a young player like McCarron or Bridgewater and draft a QB.  If the team wants to keep Hack as the 3rd QB thats fine, see if he makes any improvement in the mop up preseason games, but we need to start finding a long term solution.

[Maxman]

5 minutes ago, BUM-KNEE said:

Agree

Petty looked like I figured he would, but I still have faith that he can be better. I see him as our 2nd string to our legit starter next season. (hopefully we actually get one)

I am okay with him being the backup if a veteran starter is here. But I haven't seen anything from him that says let him compete for a starting job next year.

If you bring in Bridgewater he competes with the QB you draft in the 1st round. That is what I would do, they have to change the narrative here. Right now the narrative is no good QBs.

[BUM-KNEE]

2 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Petty cannot be getting reps in a competition to start for this organization next year, there is simply too little practice time and he has not shown nearly enough to be trusted to start games in the league.

We need to bring in a young player like McCarron or Bridgewater and draft a QB.  If the team wants to keep Hack as the 3rd QB thats fine, see if he makes any improvement in the mop up preseason games, but we need to start finding a long term solution.

Id rather see Petty as a backup, not starting. 

[BUM-KNEE]

2 minutes ago, Maxman said:

I am okay with him being the backup if a veteran starter is here. But I haven't seen anything from him that says let him compete for a starting job next year.

If you bring in Bridgewater he competes with the QB you draft in the 1st round. That is what I would do, they have to change the narrative here. Right now the narrative is no good QBs.

As long as we draft a goood QB, Petty shouldnt win the comp anyway in my opinion.

Either way, next year will have bumps in the road unless a Bridgewater comes in IMO.

[56mehl56]

11 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

Next week vs the Chargers I would give him more long passes. He wasn't that inaccurate on those today. And he has the big arm. If they're doubling Robby go to Kearse etc. 

Next week vs Chargers he might be laying on his back with Ingram and Bosa bringing the heat.  I see even more of the conservative BS next week , meaning don't expect many passes. 

[ZachEY]

1 hour ago, NoBowles said:

I am more than happy to agree to disagree, but I would like to see some of these statistics you have seen that convince you, if you have them. I have looked, and quite frankly what I have seen, I don't agree with. I don't think its possible to normalize completion percentage in the NFL, let alone college which is 10x more complicated and has so many codependent variables.

In addition, the human brain does not universally develop the same way for all people, or at all ages, nor does everyone develop physically the same. There have been some parts of the world where physically they have been shown to develop much earlier or later than other parts of the world.

When I have looked at historic "franchise type QB's", not even HOF QB's, you cannot look at them and say the majority of them came in day 1 and showed they could play. I would argue today its even harder than it was 15-30 years ago to play QB in the NFL, in that the systems are so much different in college and the NFL than they were in years past. In years past they were considered more simplified versions of NFL offenses, now they are almost completely different. In addition NFL defenses are far more complicated than they ever have been as well. So even with the pass happy rule changes, I just don't see the argument for you can play or you cannot play, even though I would love to buy into it.

Look at a handful of guys, Goff, Marriota, Winston, Bortles, RGIII, Alex Smith. These are guys who have been called busts, stars and even in-between. Of course there are guys who come in on day 1 and are studs, but I believe that to be the exception not the norm.

I honestly don't believe most fans have even the slightest understanding of how complicated the NFL QB position is in today's NFL, and what goes into being successful. 

 

I'm not arguing that a player should "show they can play day 1," but even Eli Manning showed plenty of reasons to believe he could put it all together and become a high-end guy even if he's wasn't there and wasn't consistent.  What I am saying, is generally that the cream rises to the top.  Guys who have the skill set will find their way to success, even if it's not immediate.  I think a QB being "ruined" is a concept vastly overstated by fans.  You don't see that potential from a Bryce Petty.  Sanchez is a guy that people were patient with, because every now and again, he would make a hell of a throw.  But, it was also clear, from his college tape, that he was inaccurate.  The best way to measure this is completion percentage, but ultimately, it's really just about his ability to put the ball in the right spot consistently.  Sanchez wasn't able to do that.  Add to it that he never learned to protect the football, and that it seems, as you kind of state above, that he struggled with things like processing speed, and it didn't work out for him.  I don't agree that the Jets were responsible for his failures, I think, he just couldn't throw a football accurately, and had some other problems.  No different, IMO, than how Stephen Hill was a phenomenal athlete, who happened to have bad hands.  Not much to do about that.

The stat I'm mostly referencing is QBASE, which has pretty good predictive validity, though it also has some big misses, as nothing is perfect nor should it be expected to be.

[ZachEY]

1 hour ago, NoBowles said:

Is a 4th round draft pick really a swing? 

 

Agreed.

The argument against Mac shouldn't be Petty.  It's kind of Hack, but it's really the total body of work at the most important position, by far, in the NFL.

We currently have no one, and we're in a position (barring major shake-up) to get at best, the 3rd best prospect in the draft.

This is pretty disastrous when, in today's NFL, you really only have one job.  Find a QB.

[UnitedWhofans]

2 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Agreed.

The argument against Mac shouldn't be Petty.  It's kind of Hack, but it's really the total body of work at the most important position, by far, in the NFL.

We currently have no one, and we're in a position (barring major shake-up) to get at best, the 3rd best prospect in the draft.

This is pretty disastrous when, in today's NFL, you really only have one job.  Find a QB.

I agree except that ranking the prospects is very tenuous.

Hackenberg is by far the biggest knock against Maccagnan

[Jet Life]

Hes terrible, sadly