Jetsplayer21 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I wonder if he is trying hard, knowing if giants pick #2 in the draft he definitely has to find a new home next yr. If he wins a game or two, giants probably just miss out on a ready to go rookie qb. He def doesn’t want them picking 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinamite Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 We want the Giants to win. Better that the colts are at #2 than Giants. More willing trade partner (and colts hired one of Macc's guy as assistant GM or something). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Eli is closing in on that .500 career record, what a legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 55 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Eli is closing in on that .500 career record, what a legend! Joe Namath had a sub .500 career record and 1 less Super Bowl, so not a legend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, JiF said: Joe Namath had a sub .500 career record and 1 less Super Bowl, so not a legend? Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 21 hours ago, Dinamite said: We want the Giants to win. Better that the colts are at #2 than Giants. More willing trade partner (and colts hired one of Macc's guy as assistant GM or something). We can’t win a game if we want to trade up. Of course would be much easier for giants to move up a spot or 2 than us. Mac won’t wsnt to over pay to move up, he will be another hackenberg in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 30 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Who? Well I could be wrong but Joe Namath was an old wooden ship used in the Civil War era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Eli will be the starting QB for the Giants next year regardless where the Giants draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, faba said: Eli will be the starting QB for the Giants next year regardless where the Giants draft Is he taking a drastic pay cut ? If they get darnold, which they likely will, he won’t be the starter for long if he continues his downward spiral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 22 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said: I wonder if he is trying hard, knowing if giants pick #2 in the draft he definitely has to find a new home next yr. If he wins a game or two, giants probably just miss out on a ready to go rookie qb. He def doesn’t want them picking 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Hate to tell you Eli is not the reason Giants are 2 and 12 far from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, faba said: Eli will be the starting QB for the Giants next year regardless where the Giants draft I feel like this is the most likely scenario. None of these QB's are pro ready day 1. I could totally see the Giants "bringing along" a QB and letting Eli start the season. For as sh*tty as they've been, they dealt with a lot of injuries this year. I don't think they're as bad as that record indicated. This was a team many people picked to go to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, faba said: Hate to tell you Eli is not the reason Giants are 2 and 12 far from it Thank you. Eli showed he was not the problem...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, faba said: Hate to tell you Eli is not the reason Giants are 2 and 12 far from it I agree they all suck. But he looks a lot slower than he ever was, not aging as well as Josh McCown ha. They definately are not going to pay him 23 mil next yr while they have darnold on the bench. Eli may want out anyway, there are 1 -2 teams that would sign him if he gets cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Big Bang Theory still sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/18/2017 at 1:50 PM, JiF said: Joe Namath had a sub .500 career record and 1 less Super Bowl, so not a legend? Joe Namath played in a different era, Joe had durability issues, Joe was actually great for a time(something Eli never was) and Joe is the most overrated player in the history of the league. Joe made the Hall b/c of everything he meant to the growth of the game, Eli has done nothing in that regard. the roots of the NFL becoming our favorite sport trace back to the days of Joe. He was bigger than the game and belongs in the Hall b/c of it, if it was based just on his play on the field he never would have made just as Eli should never make it based on his play on the field. Namath actually made a a 1st team all pro team in the NFL(even though his best days were behind him by the time the merger happened. Eli has never made any all pro team whether 1st or 2nd team. he was a league player of the year, led in passing yds 3 times, pass TDs 1x,. The only area Elik is close to Joe is iNTs, Joe led 4x, Eli 3x but Eli did so in an era where INTs are way down. Joe won a SB leading a team to an 11-3 reg season record in a 14 game season. In 16 game seasons Eli led his SB teams to 10 and 9 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/18/2017 at 2:58 PM, faba said: Hate to tell you Eli is not the reason Giants are 2 and 12 far from it the reason? No, just like he wasn't the reason the giants won SB but it's hard to ignore the QB when a team has missed the playoffs 7 times in 9 seasons in a weak division as they changed HCs multiple times in the span. the players changed, the coaches changed, the QB remains the same as did the results. b/c Eli had ONE good game does not change the fact that he was atrocious this season, last season and the season before that. He's been bad for a while and was never great. Eli is a major reason they are 2-12 though far from the only reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/18/2017 at 3:13 PM, Charlie Brown said: Thank you. Eli showed he was not the problem...... b/c he had one good game he showed he was not the problem? what about the other 13 games this season where he sucked? even when they won he couldn't lead his O to points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: Joe Namath played in a different era, Joe had durability issues, Joe was actually great for a time(something Eli never was) and Joe is the most overrated player in the history of the league. Joe made the Hall b/c of everything he meant to the growth of the game, Eli has done nothing in that regard. the roots of the NFL becoming our favorite sport trace back to the days of Joe. He was bigger than the game and belongs in the Hall b/c of it, if it was based just on his play on the field he never would have made just as Eli should never make it based on his play on the field. Namath actually made a a 1st team all pro team in the NFL(even though his best days were behind him by the time the merger happened. Eli has never made any all pro team whether 1st or 2nd team. he was a league player of the year, led in passing yds 3 times, pass TDs 1x,. The only area Elik is close to Joe is iNTs, Joe led 4x, Eli 3x but Eli did so in an era where INTs are way down. Joe won a SB leading a team to an 11-3 reg season record in a 14 game season. In 16 game seasons Eli led his SB teams to 10 and 9 wins. Where did the goal post go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 obvious future Hall of Famer leading his offense to a shutout this week, the 5th shutout led by Eli since 2012. Congrats Eli! we have witnessed true greatness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 People here are so upbeat about the Giants. They got crushed by Arizona WITH Eli Manning as their QB. A new QB is not fixing that alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted December 26, 2017 Author Share Posted December 26, 2017 4 hours ago, nyjunc said: obvious future Hall of Famer leading his offense to a shutout this week, the 5th shutout led by Eli since 2012. Congrats Eli! we have witnessed true greatness! For career Only completed 59% of his passes with a qb rating of 84. He certainly was nowhere near the talent of big bro manning. Two rings but The Giants D was the anchor. We see now Eli can not carry a team like a HOF qb could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 16 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said: For career Only completed 59% of his passes with a qb rating of 84. He certainly was nowhere near the talent of big bro manning. Two rings but The Giants D was the anchor. We see now Eli can not carry a team like a HOF qb could Josh McCown 2017: 94.5 rating, Eli never had a 94.5 rating 67.3 comp %, Eli's high 63.1 7.4 YPA, Eli had ONE season higher(and a guy catching a 5 yd pass and turning it into a 99 yd TD probably helped that # for him) Eli has NEVER won a playoff game where his D allowed more than 20 pts, NEVER. He's only won playoff games in 2 postseasons. His D was dominant in both runs, he led his SB caliber teams to 10-6 and 9-7 records in the reg season. He's never been an all pro(not even a PFF or Sporting News AP team), he's only made 2 real Pro Bowls(made 2 others as 5th injury replacement), he's missed playoffs 7 of 9 seasons, his career record is creeping close to .500(and McAdoo saved him a loss at Oakland), he's thrown at least 10 INTs in every season except his rookie year where he only started 7 games(taking over w/ the team in playoff position and going 1-7 to end the season), the only major category he has ever led in has been interceptions and he did it THREE times w/ 2 of them in his prime. In 2010 he threw 25 INTs including 4 in week 16 in what ultimately decided the final NFC playoff spot btw them and the Packers. In 2013 he threw 27 INTs, he's led the Giants to 1 winning season in the last 5 years and they had that winning season b/c of the D and Odell. Even w/ a weapon like Odell he led the O to less than 20 PPG but somehow he's a Hall of Famer b/c he led his offense to 17 & 19 pts to beat Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 2 hours ago, nyjunc said: Josh McCown 2017: 94.5 rating, Eli never had a 94.5 rating 67.3 comp %, Eli's high 63.1 7.4 YPA, Eli had ONE season higher(and a guy catching a 5 yd pass and turning it into a 99 yd TD probably helped that # for him) Eli has NEVER won a playoff game where his D allowed more than 20 pts, NEVER. He's only won playoff games in 2 postseasons. His D was dominant in both runs, he led his SB caliber teams to 10-6 and 9-7 records in the reg season. He's never been an all pro(not even a PFF or Sporting News AP team), he's only made 2 real Pro Bowls(made 2 others as 5th injury replacement), he's missed playoffs 7 of 9 seasons, his career record is creeping close to .500(and McAdoo saved him a loss at Oakland), he's thrown at least 10 INTs in every season except his rookie year where he only started 7 games(taking over w/ the team in playoff position and going 1-7 to end the season), the only major category he has ever led in has been interceptions and he did it THREE times w/ 2 of them in his prime. In 2010 he threw 25 INTs including 4 in week 16 in what ultimately decided the final NFC playoff spot btw them and the Packers. In 2013 he threw 27 INTs, he's led the Giants to 1 winning season in the last 5 years and they had that winning season b/c of the D and Odell. Even w/ a weapon like Odell he led the O to less than 20 PPG but somehow he's a Hall of Famer b/c he led his offense to 17 & 19 pts to beat Brady. It’s amazing people who are not giants fans actually believe Eli is HOF worthy. He shouldn’t get in on his last name alone. The giants have been one of best franchises in NFL over decade, Of course they are going to win some Super Bowls like they do every few decades. If Manning last name wasn’t Manning, or if he played for Browns, of course he wouldn’t be even thought of as HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 19 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said: It’s amazing people who are not giants fans actually believe Eli is HOF worthy. He shouldn’t get in on his last name alone. The giants have been one of best franchises in NFL over decade, Of course they are going to win some Super Bowls like they do every few decades. If Manning last name wasn’t Manning, or if he played for Browns, of course he wouldn’t be even thought of as HOF it's mind boggling to me how some talk as if he is a lock when in reality he's not even a borderline candidate. The Hall is supposed to be for the best of the best, the all time greats. How can a guy who isn't even a great of his generation be considered? I hope w/ the 5 year waiting period the media and voters will come to their senses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Fun fact ☺ If Eli was a Jet wearing two rings, the very same present day Eli belongs in the HOF deniers would instead be waxing his missile insisting he is first ballot material and screaming about the anti-Jet bias if it doesnt happen. Deniers gonna deny........ have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kleckineau said: Fun fact ☺ If Eli was a Jet wearing two rings, the very same present day Eli belongs in the HOF deniers would instead be waxing his missile insisting he is first ballot material and screaming about the anti-Jet bias if it doesnt happen. Deniers gonna deny........ have at it. so if the Jets D showed up in 2009 and 2010 title games and we won SBs those 2 years you guys would be saying Mark sanchez is a HOFer? If Eli helped us win 2 SBs I'd love him but it wouldn't make me overrate him and call him a HOFer. If Eli was here we never win a SB b/c he gets run out of town by Jet fans before he has a chance. I don't judge based on teams. I hate the Giants and the Pats, LT is the greatest defensive player and Brady the best QB of all time. I think Joe Namath is the most overrated player in league history and last I checked he was a Jet and helped us win our only SB. Eli Manning is not even worthy of discussion for the Hall, he's a modern day Jim Plunkett which is a good, solid starter but not HOF material. Just b/c you win 2 SBs(thanks to the D holding Brady to 14 & 17 pts) doesn't mean you belong in the Hall w/ the greatest QBs of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 That entire class is borderline if we're going to be hard markers. Ben , Eli and Rivers will all be inducted on the first ballot though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: That entire class is borderline if we're going to be hard markers. Ben , Eli and Rivers will all be inducted on the first ballot though. Ben is head and shoulders better than Eli & Rivers, he's a deserving HOFer. The other 2 don't belong anywhere near the Hall w/o a ticket. Both Eli and Rivers are compilers, neither were ever real difference makers. they were solid starting QBs who underachieved w/ the talent they had around them. Eli was fortunate his D played lights out in those 2 SB runs but he has never won a playoff game where his D allowed more than 20 pts and has PO wins in only 2 postseasons. That's not a HOFer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Ben is head and shoulders better than Eli & Rivers, he's a deserving HOFer. The other 2 don't belong anywhere near the Hall w/o a ticket. Both Eli and Rivers are compilers, neither were ever real difference makers. they were solid starting QBs who underachieved w/ the talent they had around them. Eli was fortunate his D played lights out in those 2 SB runs but he has never won a playoff game where his D allowed more than 20 pts and has PO wins in only 2 postseasons. That's not a HOFer. Ben probably has the worst SB performance for a winning QB in its history. They are all going to get in, but Eli and Ben's numbers are close enough that the Super Bowls will put them in easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Ben probably has the worst SB performance for a winning QB in its history. They are all going to get in, but Eli and Ben's numbers are close enough that the Super Bowls will put them in easily. so what? he was also incredible in the 3 road games to get to the SB and as bad as he was they scored 21 points on offense which was more than any Eli led his O's to in his 2 SBs. the only reason their #s are close is b/c Eli has played many more games and attempted many more passes. If all things were equal it wouldn't be close. Eli has attempted 875 more passes, that's almost 2 more seasons worth yet Eli only has 9 more TDs, 53 more INTs, 485 more yds. remember when Ben took over Pitt had gone 6-10 the year before and he was 13-0 as a starter his rookie year, Eli took over w/ team at 5-4 and went 1-6. Ben won 2004 rookie of the year and was on all rookie team, Eli was not. Ben has made an all pro team, Eli has not. Ben made 6 legit pro bowls, Eli only 2(2 more as injury replacement) Ben won Player of the week 15 times, Eli 4 Players vote of top 100 Ben made it every year(began in 2011) which was 7 times, Eli made it 3 times. Eli's high was 31, Ben finished 31 or higher 5 times Ben led a season in pass yds, Eli's highest finish was 4th Ben has been top 10 in passer rating 9 times, Eli ONCE(7th) Ben led once in INTs w/ 23, his only season w/ more than 16 INTs. Eli led THREE times including 25 & 27 INT seasons and he has thrown as many as 16 INTs 7 times Eli has won playoff games in just 2 postseasons, Ben in 6 postseasons Eli has led his team to missing 7 of the last 9 postseasons, Ben has only missed 4 times in his career and has played in the MUCH TOUGHER division Eli has never won a playoff game where his D allowed more than 20, Ben has done it 3 times including in a SB. Ben has career 94 rating, Eli 83.6 YPA: Ben 7.9, Eli 7 Ben is 135-63 as a starter(again in MUCH tougher division), Eli 110-103 The two aren't close, Ben is light years better. The only area Eli gets the nod in is durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 5 hours ago, nyjunc said: so if the Jets D showed up in 2009 and 2010 title games and we won SBs those 2 years you guys would be saying Mark sanchez is a HOFer? If Eli helped us win 2 SBs I'd love him but it wouldn't make me overrate him and call him a HOFer. If Eli was here we never win a SB b/c he gets run out of town by Jet fans before he has a chance. I don't judge based on teams. I hate the Giants and the Pats, LT is the greatest defensive player and Brady the best QB of all time. I think Joe Namath is the most overrated player in league history and last I checked he was a Jet and helped us win our only SB. Eli Manning is not even worthy of discussion for the Hall, he's a modern day Jim Plunkett which is a good, solid starter but not HOF material. Just b/c you win 2 SBs(thanks to the D holding Brady to 14 & 17 pts) doesn't mean you belong in the Hall w/ the greatest QBs of all time. If Eli only had 1 Super Bowl ring he definately doesn’t get in with his stats alone. His stats don’t come close to “ modern day “ qbs worthy of HOF mention. Being a little bro of top 3 qb of all time will help to. The Hall with think it’s cute two brother qbs share hall together. So Eli will only get in because of giants HOF D, and his brother’s talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: If Eli only had 1 Super Bowl ring he definately doesn’t get in with his stats alone. His stats don’t come close to “ modern day “ qbs worthy of HOF mention. Being a little bro of top 3 qb of all time will help to. The Hall with think it’s cute two brother qbs share hall together. So Eli will only get in because of giants HOF D, and his brother’s talents. Eli Manning is 6th all time in yards and completions and 8th all time in TD's with probably a few more season to add to those stats and jump a few more guys. He 100% has the resume from a stats perspective. The rings just make the conversation about when? First ballot or 2nd time around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, JiF said: Eli Manning is 6th all time in yards and completions and 8th all time in TD's with probably a few more season to add to those stats and jump a few more guys. He 100% has the resume from a stats perspective. The rings just make the conversation about when? First ballot or 2nd time around? ???? I’m glad the closet Eli fans are coming out. Yes I forgot one more thing Eli did manage to do, stay healthy. His streak was impressive, which got him the yards, ect. But How can honestly say only completing 59% of your passes is hall worthy ? A career 84 qbr? The all time list is owned by all current era players do too changing of came to make it a heavily favored passing league. For example Carson Palmer has played in 33 less games than Eli and only trails him by 5k yards. Is Carson Palmer hof too?? He doesn’t have a great td/ int ratio, he has taking a hec of a lot of sacks because he is one of the least mobile qbs in history. I think you have been hanging around two many giants fans Man lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 On 12/18/2017 at 1:50 PM, JiF said: Joe Namath had a sub .500 career record and 1 less Super Bowl, so not a legend? Eli and Joe, two QB he thinks are overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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