Bowles elected to punt down 11 points with 6 minutes left in the game

[Matt39]

Basically conceding the game. If it's for the tank - I guess, ok. But there's no chance that was the reason. Not sure how you can pay a coach millions of dollars who doesnt understand basic probability. The only way the Jets can win after that punt is by forcing a 3 and out, scoring rather quickly and then a successful onsides kick followed by another score. Keep in mind its Drew Brees on the road.

This situation has come up a handful of times and each time we've lost.

[joewilly12]

This is how Todd Bowles coaches he coaches like he's scared he is not a good NFL coach. 

[Larz]

I have an idea

the players convert the ******* 3rd down

[Patriot Killa]

He played scared all game. He had no confidence he could get all these 1st round picks to play well enough to make a stop. He was praying NO would kneel it for us before half time..which they showed mercy. 

 

All in on all it was pretty f*cking pathetic and I’m so ready to name Matt Nagy our guy.

[JiFtheOracle]

12 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Basically conceding the game. If it's for the tank - I guess, ok. But there's no chance that was the reason. Not sure how you can pay a coach millions of dollars who doesnt understand basic probability. The only way the Jets can win after that punt is by forcing a 3 and out, scoring rather quickly and then a successful onsides kick followed by another score. Keep in mind its Drew Brees on the road.

This situation has come up a handful of times and each time we've lost.

It feels like this happens a lot.  He’s a bozo.

They admitted to quitting last week.  And no it’s not on purpose.  They were mathematically in it till today and you know they wanted to win. 

 

[Gen X Jet]

The radio announcers were outraged.

[Bugg]

If you are on the road against a quality QB, you are gonna have to take some chances to win games. Instead Bowles/Morton devise a conservative run heavy gameplan. That run the ball/control the lock thing is folly if your defense cannot stop Brees.Even when they got some turnover in the 3rd, did nothing to take advantage. And when he could've gone for it on 4th with 6 minutes, don't tell us you're trying to win , you are not. What's scary is he doesn't even consider that, unless you don't understand strategy at all. And this is the problem. Like a lot of coordinators who get overpromoted, Bowles calls plays, he doesn't coach the game and the game situation. You could probably get a 13 year old who plays Madden all day who understands the basics of NFL game strategy better than Todd Bowles. The man is a failure, so is his team. 

[bla bla bla]

Our defense was stopping them at that point so trusting them over the inept offense isn't that crazy. We had a chance to tie it up if we got that onside kick

[HawkeyeJet]

Bowles is the most confusing coach I've had coach for the team I root for.

He clearly wanted nothing to do with playing any young guys, and nothing to do with any sort of plan to tank, from a personnel playing time stand point.  Yet he has waived a white flag in multiple games this year and refuses to gamble on anything when he's likely already playing with house money.  Just very confusing. 

[Maxman]

I think this is why they lost.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

Our defense was stopping them at that point so trusting them over the inept offense isn't that crazy. We had a chance to tie it up if we got that onside kick

The Saints had scored a TD on their previous possession.

[joewilly12]

The minute they fire Todd Bowles this team instantly improves, the man is a moron and should have never been hired. 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Maxman said:

I think this is why they lost.

Because they would have probably lost anyways- we should ignore these dopey decisions that go against basic probability that any 12 year old Madden player gets? Cmon Max

[Maxman]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Because they would have probably lost anyways- we should ignore these dopey decisions that go against basic probability that any 12 year old Madden player gets? Cmon Max

I didn't say to ignore it. I just don't agree with the premise.

Petty isn't good. They didn't convert on 3rd down. They weren't going to convert on 4th down. Going for it would have lowered the chances of winning, not increased them.

This team isn't good.

[Matt39]

Just now, Maxman said:

I didn't say to ignore it. I just don't agree with the premise.

Petty isn't good. They didn't convert on 3rd down. They weren't going to convert on 4th down. Going for it would have lowered the chances of winning, not increased them.

This team isn't good.

You know they wouldnt convert on 4th down and yet you had more faith they'd force a 3 and out, score, recover an onsides kick and score again within 6 minutes?

Going for it and failing in that situation you have zero to lose. If you give up the ball there the game is over regardless of punt or loss on downs. You get 4 downs- utilize them.

[bla bla bla]

Turning the ball over on downs may not have lead to our TD or could have lead to more Saints points which would have meant that final onside kick either doesn't happen or we need a TD instead of a FG. 

[Maxman]

Just now, Matt39 said:

You know they wouldnt convert on 4th down and yet you had more faith they'd force a 3 and out, score, recover an onsides kick and score again within 6 minutes?

Going for it and failing in that situation you have zero to lose. If you give up the ball there the game is over regardless of punt or loss on downs. You get 4 downs- utilize them.

They were losing either way. The defense had been playing pretty well in the 2nd half. Until the 50 yard run melt down where tiny linebacker Lee got knocked over by the wind.

But back on topic, I get what you are saying. They just don't have any confidence in Petty so they did what they did. 

[TuscanyTile2]

 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Maxman said:

They were losing either way. The defense had been playing pretty well in the 2nd half. Until the 50 yard run melt down where tiny linebacker Lee got knocked over by the wind.

But back on topic, I get what you are saying. They just don't have any confidence in Petty so they did what they did. 

If they were going to lose either way just go for it. And this isnt specific to Petty- it's happened with Mccown and most notably Fitzpatrick at Pittsburgh last year. Its ridiculous. Bowles has absolutely nothing to do with anything on offense until 4th down where he punts to end the game because he doesnt understand the clock.

[Maxman]

Just now, Matt39 said:

If they were going to lose either way just go for it. And this isnt specific to Petty- it's happened with Mccown and most notably Fitzpatrick at Pittsburgh last year. Its ridiculous. Bowles has absolutely nothing to do with anything on offense until 4th down where he punts to end the game because he doesnt understand the clock.

Good to know. A lot of people were blaming him for the play calling the last two weeks. Guess that is on Morton lol.

[Matt39]

 But to recap: The Jets trailed the Bills by nine points, facing a 4th-and-8 from their own 44-yard line with four minutes remaining in regulation. With three timeouts still in his back pocket, Bowles opted to punt the ball, hoping his defense could find a way to stop LeSean McCoy and a Buffalo offense that had dominated all afternoon.

To the surprise of no one, that didn’t happen. The Bills gained a first down and forced Bowles to use all three timeouts. The Jets didn’t get the ball back until 1:44 remained, and Josh McCown threw an interception on the next play, effectively ending the contest and handing the Jets a 21-12 defeat.

[Bugg]

Bowles acts like the Jets' first round bye was in jeopardy if they lost.

They literally had NOTHING TO LOSE.

Go for it. 

Alas, tough defense first Todd Bowles is a weak, scared pussy of a coach. And worse, a dumb one who doesn't understand probability, the clock, game strategy; stuff successful coaches get very quickly. 

[pointman]

Bowles has the best decision making skills, only beaten by Brian Schottenheimer. 

[Jetsbb]

To put this simply Bowles believes there is a better chance of converting an onside kick than a 4th down conversion. This scenario has played out multiple times and he has always kicked down 2 possessions with limited time guaranteeing needing the onside kick to win. It is asinine logic and will bite us in the ass if they keep this idiotic head coach and they somehow make the playoffs and the scenario presents itself.

[Matt39]

17 minutes ago, Jetsbb said:

To put this simply Bowles believes there is a better chance of converting an onside kick than a 4th down conversion. This scenario has played out multiple times and he has always kicked down 2 possessions with limited time guaranteeing needing the onside kick to win. It is asinine logic and will bite us in the ass if they keep this idiotic head coach and they somehow make the playoffs and the scenario presents itself.

I dont think it's even his logic. I just dont think he cares to understand. He's  thinking more about field position than trying to win.

[Larz]

Oline stinks 

Can't run or pass 

This is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic 

You are going swimming either way 

[ChuckkieB]

The decision to punt was a terrible move by a terrible coach. It's been happening for 3 years and should surprise no one at this point. The fact that Bowles has shown no intuition or desire to get better and learn from his mistakes over three years is one of the many reasons this clown deserves to be fired ASAP.  

[Stark]

12 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

This is how Todd Bowles coaches he coaches like he's scared he is not a good NFL coach. 

 

12 hours ago, Larz said:

I have an idea

the players convert the ******* 3rd down

 

12 hours ago, JiF said:

It feels like this happens a lot.  He’s a bozo.

They admitted to quitting last week.  And no it’s not on purpose.  They were mathematically in it till today and you know they wanted to win. 

 

 

12 hours ago, Bugg said:

If you are on the road against a quality QB, you are gonna have to take some chances to win games. Instead Bowles/Morton devise a conservative run heavy gameplan. That run the ball/control the lock thing is folly if your defense cannot stop Brees.Even when they got some turnover in the 3rd, did nothing to take advantage. And when he could've gone for it on 4th with 6 minutes, don't tell us you're trying to win , you are not. What's scary is he doesn't even consider that, unless you don't understand strategy at all. And this is the problem. Like a lot of coordinators who get overpromoted, Bowles calls plays, he doesn't coach the game and the game situation. You could probably get a 13 year old who plays Madden all day who understands the basics of NFL game strategy better than Todd Bowles. The man is a failure, so is his team. 

 

11 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Bowles is the most confusing coach I've had coach for the team I root for.

He clearly wanted nothing to do with playing any young guys, and nothing to do with any sort of plan to tank, from a personnel playing time stand point.  Yet he has waived a white flag in multiple games this year and refuses to gamble on anything when he's likely already playing with house money.  Just very confusing. 

This is why we should move on from Bowles. he isn't the coach to get us where the team needs to go.

He won't win the division, be consistent playoff contender, win a championship... he doesn't even make simple coaching decisions correctly & not since he got here.

[Ex-Rex]

12 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

This is how Todd Bowles coaches he coaches like he's scared he is not a good NFL coach. 

Why should ANYONE be surprised that Bowles gives up. He essentially quit in Denver BEFORE HALFTIME. This guy has got to go and I don't care how many players come out of the woodwork expressing love for this loser.

[Ex-Rex]

11 hours ago, Bugg said:

Bowles acts like the Jets' first round bye was in jeopardy if they lost.

They literally had NOTHING TO LOSE.

Go for it. 

Alas, tough defense first Todd Bowles is a weak, scared pussy of a coach. And worse, a dumb one who doesn't understand probability, the clock, game strategy; stuff successful coaches get very quickly. 

Very good point Bugg. The Jets are going nowhere fast and Bowles plays it close to the vest like he is afraid to make a wrong call. Throw caution to the freakin wind man and try to shake the team up. At least you would be giving the impression of a guy trying to win.

[Stark]

Bowles is always making these same "conservative" & "bone headed" decisions. 3 years in... same coach.

He is not the guy. Move on..... please.

[UnitedWhofans]

13 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Basically conceding the game. If it's for the tank - I guess, ok. But there's no chance that was the reason. Not sure how you can pay a coach millions of dollars who doesnt understand basic probability. The only way the Jets can win after that punt is by forcing a 3 and out, scoring rather quickly and then a successful onsides kick followed by another score. Keep in mind its Drew Brees on the road.

This situation has come up a handful of times and each time we've lost.

What was the distance?

[jetrider]

Blowes is bored silly when the offense is on the field. It's not a football language he understands. It's like an irrelevant tv commercial to him. Extended drives are pure agony. He only cares to watch his treasured defense and pet project safeties.

[southparkcpa]

14 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Basically conceding the game. If it's for the tank - I guess, ok. But there's no chance that was the reason. Not sure how you can pay a coach millions of dollars who doesnt understand basic probability. The only way the Jets can win after that punt is by forcing a 3 and out, scoring rather quickly and then a successful onsides kick followed by another score. Keep in mind its Drew Brees on the road.

This situation has come up a handful of times and each time we've lost.

Punting gave us the best chance to win.....

[Mike135]

This happens when your punter is more accurate than your QB.