Teddy Bridgewater or Case Keenum

[BCJet]

Bridgewater:  Given the success he has had in the league, and the fact that he will be fully recovered, 2 years after his surgery, Im curious what people think about Bridgewater on a Glennon type contract, while also using a draft pick on a QB?  Bridgewater's biggest issue is arm strength as he will never be someone who can consistently drive the ball vertically down the field, however in a west coast system he could be very good as he is extremely accurate and a cerebral player.  

Case:  Siimilar issues as he does not have elite arm strength, but seems to be able to move his team down the field.   Has an excellent completion % and good TD/Int however he also has the dreaded UDFA tag which will undoubtedly lower his name recognition among fan bases.  The thing is that he also is a good fit for this offense given his accuracy and ability to move in the pocket.  

Minnesota will also be in an interesting spot as they have 3 QBs all of whom are unrestricted (they will let Bradford walk), but have also made a small investment in their 3rd string QB Kyle Sloter, so they may not keep both Case and Bridgewater, meaning one of those guys could shake loose.

[ChuckkieB]

Pass on both.  No more veterans or one year wonders.  The Jets need to address the QB position via the draft and inject some excitement and hope into this franchise. 

[BrickTamland]

I’d take Case on a deal that paid him about 15-18 per year, given that we could walk away after 3 years with minimal damage.

First I would have to see some tape showing that he can handle windy/cold temperature though, concerns about his weakish arm. 

He would be a legitimate starting NFL player. 

This would take away some of our desperation heading into the draft. We would still need to spend a draft pick on someone with more upside, but it wouldn’t necessarily have to be in the first round anymore.

Imagine if we did this and actually spent significant capital on improving the rest of the offense.

JK BROS, DEFENSE 4 LIFE!

 

 

[bla bla bla]

The only FA option for us is Cousins, if we don't land him we need to trade up and get a QB.

[JoJoTownsell1]

Pass on  both. I think both are Alex Smith types. Very solid but not long term answers. This team needs to find  a long term answer via the draft or with a guy like Cousins. 

[BCJet]

2 minutes ago, BrickTamland said:

I’d take Case on a deal that paid him about 15-18 per year, given that we could walk away after 3 years with minimal damage.

First I would have to see some tape showing that he can handle windy/cold temperature though, concerns about his weakish arm. 

He would be a legitimate starting NFL player. 

This would take away some of our desperation heading into the draft. We would still need to spend a draft pick on someone with more upside, but it wouldn’t necessarily have to be in the first round anymore.

Imagine if we did this and actually spent significant capital on improving the rest of the offense.

JK BROS, DEFENSE 4 LIFE!

 

 

I dont see Case in the $15 million range, but at 3 years and $30 million, while also investing a draft pick in a young QB I think this team could be very competitive, especially if we are in a spot to add Bradley Chubb to be an actual edge rusher, and use our other picks to build the Oline.

[Warfish]

14 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Bridgewater:  Given the success he has had in the league, and the fact that he will be fully recovered, 2 years after his surgery, Im curious what people think about Bridgewater on a Glennon type contract, while also using a draft pick on a QB?  Bridgewater's biggest issue is arm strength as he will never be someone who can consistently drive the ball vertically down the field, however in a west coast system he could be very good as he is extremely accurate and a cerebral player.  

Case:  Siimilar issues as he does not have elite arm strength, but seems to be able to move his team down the field.   Has an excellent completion % and good TD/Int however he also has the dreaded UDFA tag which will undoubtedly lower his name recognition among fan bases.  The thing is that he also is a good fit for this offense given his accuracy and ability to move in the pocket.  

Minnesota will also be in an interesting spot as they have 3 QBs all of whom are unrestricted (they will let Bradford walk), but have also made a small investment in their 3rd string QB Kyle Sloter, so they may not keep both Case and Bridgewater, meaning one of those guys could shake loose.

No.

[j4jets]

Fitzy!!!

[The Crusher]

18 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Bridgewater:  Given the success he has had in the league, and the fact that he will be fully recovered, 2 years after his surgery, Im curious what people think about Bridgewater on a Glennon type contract, while also using a draft pick on a QB?  Bridgewater's biggest issue is arm strength as he will never be someone who can consistently drive the ball vertically down the field, however in a west coast system he could be very good as he is extremely accurate and a cerebral player.  

Case:  Siimilar issues as he does not have elite arm strength, but seems to be able to move his team down the field.   Has an excellent completion % and good TD/Int however he also has the dreaded UDFA tag which will undoubtedly lower his name recognition among fan bases.  The thing is that he also is a good fit for this offense given his accuracy and ability to move in the pocket.  

Minnesota will also be in an interesting spot as they have 3 QBs all of whom are unrestricted (they will let Bradford walk), but have also made a small investment in their 3rd string QB Kyle Sloter, so they may not keep both Case and Bridgewater, meaning one of those guys could shake loose.

Sounds nice enough but we all know if we get one of those  two QBs we won’t be picking a QB until 5th round or so. In itself it’s fine bevcause with some nice veteran blood like that around who the hell needs a rookie QB? Not Todd Bowles. Tell you that right now. 

[Kleckineau]

Bridgewater's leg is like Pennington's shoulder.

He is one hit away from a different career.

[sourceworx]

Because we aren't going to be picking at the top of the draft, this is a direction we may have to consider going in. Bring in a Bridgewater, Tyrod Taylor, or AJ Mccarron (maybe even two of these guys), to compete with one of the second tier QBs in the draft.

 

[BrickTamland]

8 minutes ago, BCJet said:

I dont see Case in the $15 million range, but at 3 years and $30 million, while also investing a draft pick in a young QB I think this team could be very competitive, especially if we are in a spot to add Bradley Chubb to be an actual edge rusher, and use our other picks to build the Oline.

I hear you about the 15m being high. On the other hand 10m sounds low.

These next weeks are huge for his bank account one way or the other.

[BrickTamland]

10 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No.

The Vet FA route is probably not what anybody really “wants” but it might be the only reasonable option due to 5 wins.

Shocking if Rosen or Darnold would be available. Getting them via trade would be very difficult and expensive.

Mayfield/Jackson might be in play. Bowles and McCagnan’s semi-conservatism make those options less likely in my eyes. Interesting prospects though.

[August]

I'd take Bridgewater on a reasonable prove it deal. If he plays well then I'd give him the big money.

[BCJet]

15 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No.

Curious - did you like Bridgewater coming out of the 2014 draft?

The Board never ceases to surprise me, that a guy who Im sure a lot of people clamored for us to draft, now may become available due to an injury that he is fully healed from, will be 25 on opening day 2018, and has 2 seasons of proven NFL play, but is viewed as "not a long term solution at the position".  

What is a long term solution, drafting someone who is 23?

[Warfish]

Just now, BrickTamland said:

The Vet FA route is probably not what anybody really “wants” but it might be the only reasonable option due to 5 wins.

Yeah, no.  This draft class is full of QB's.  

Just now, BrickTamland said:

Shocking if Rosen or Darnold would be available.

They won't be where we pick or can reasonably trade up to pick.

Just now, BrickTamland said:

Getting them via trade would be very difficult and expensive.

Impossible is the word you're looking for.

Just now, BrickTamland said:

Mayfield/Jackson might be in play. Bowles and McCagnan’s semi-conservatism make those options less likely in my eyes. Interesting prospects though.

You'e not wrong, Macc and Bowles thus far have shown a disturbing penchant for old, worthless JAG castoff veteran QB's of no real value to sit at the #1 spot and win a few games here and there in generally poor and disappointing seasons.

Not sure why we fans would want to see that path be taken, giving Bowles yet another excuse to not play the youth but to play for mediocrity and another 5-6 win season, this time under CaseJAG or Teddy Pennigntonwater Brokeknee.

[Warfish]

Just now, BCJet said:

Curious - did you like Bridgewater coming out of the 2014 draft?

Lol, no.  Not at all.

Just now, BCJet said:

The Board never ceases to surprise me, that a guy who Im sure a lot of people clamored for us to draft, now may become available due to an injury that he is fully healed from, will be 25 on opening day 2018, and has 2 seasons of proven NFL play, but is viewed as "not a long term solution at the position".

Chad Pennington is available too I hear.

Just now, BCJet said:

  What is a long term solution, drafting someone who is 23?

Yes, drafting and developing a QB is the long term solution to the QB position, just like it is the long term solution to every position.

[BCJet]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Lol, no.  Not at all.

Chad Pennington is available too I hear.

Yes, drafting and developing a QB is the long term solution to the QB position, just like it is the long term solution to every position.

Ok, I just wasnt sure.  I thought 25 year old QBs were young enough to be developed or long term solutions, but I guess thats too old????

[Bleedin Green]

14 minutes ago, BrickTamland said:

I hear you about the 15m being high. On the other hand 10m sounds low.

These next weeks are huge for his bank account one way or the other.

Keenum had shown little-to-nothing for 5 years prior to this.  That kind of a deal is a huge gamble for any team.  Odds are he's much more likely to level back off to the mediocrity that defined his career before this season.  He's probably destined to be the next Matt Flynn / Nick Foles / Mike Glennon.  Any team that brings him in, including the Jets, should take the approach of him being nothing more than a short-term band aid.  If really willing to bid that high on a contract, which I think would be excessive, there should be nothing guaranteed beyond the first year, and it should have no influence on the team still having a need to find their franchise QB.  I can't imagine there being some major bidding war for Keenum, but if there is, I don't think he's worth it.

[JetsFanatic]

Bridgewater

[Warfish]

Just now, BCJet said:

Ok, I just wasnt sure.  I thought 25 year old QBs were young enough to be developed or long term solutions, but I guess thats too old????

It's not his age.  He's not that good, and he has a huge flashing red light over his head screaming "injury threat, injury threat".

Are we all forgetting his non-contact injury and the near on two years he missed?  Have we all forgotten Chad and what life with an egg back there is like already?

[SR24]

Case is this years 2015 Fitz. 1 year wonder going into a contract year playing with a defense that balls out every game. Absolutely not. Our qb needs to be Rosen,Darnold,Mayfield or maybe Jackson. I'm not big on any free agent qbs hell if I had to pick one I'd go with Tyrod over Cousins.

[JiFtheOracle]

Keenum or Bridgewater, Cousins, Joshy, Fitz, Tyod, Smith - soooooo many veteran QB's to choose from.  It's going to be great to pair that savvy veteran QB with a 1st round CB.

[Nick Blitz]

1 hour ago, BCJet said:

Bridgewater:  Given the success he has had in the league...

What success?

[Saul Goodman]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Keenum or Bridgewater, Cousins, Joshy, Fitz, Tyod, Smith - soooooo many veteran QB's to choose from.  It's going to be great to pair that savvy veteran QB with a 1st round CB.

Forgot the Sanchize 

[Philc1]

Bridgewater- was never that good even before the horrific leg injury

 

keenum - see Rex Grossman/Fitzpatrick 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, BCJet said:

Bridgewater:  Given the success he has had in the league, and the fact that he will be fully recovered, 2 years after his surgery, Im curious what people think about Bridgewater on a Glennon type contract, while also using a draft pick on a QB?  Bridgewater's biggest issue is arm strength as he will never be someone who can consistently drive the ball vertically down the field, however in a west coast system he could be very good as he is extremely accurate and a cerebral player.  

Granted it was only their gimmicky Sports Science thing, but when he came out Bridgewater had the fastest velocity of his draft class (54 mph). Have to go with that since he didn't throw at the combine. Plus his arm strength was supposedly beefed up further while he was rehabbing.

Whatever his other shortcomings, I wouldn't confuse low yardage numbers in his first 2 years with a some physical inability to throw downfield. Minnesota just threw the ball less - particularly in more favorable short yardage - with a young QB and a productive running game.

The issues with him - to me, anyway - are (1) waiting for the other shoe to drop at any time. It'd take a couple of seasons starting 16 games before you could let your guard down with regards to his health. And (2) frankly he just hasn't done it yet. I'm willing to write off a rookie season from anyone, but it was only an incremental improvement from year 1 to year 2. We'd be hoping he first puts it all together as a consistent, dangerous passer after a knee injury like he had. 

Oddly enough Bridgewater in 2018 - more so than Petty/Hackenberg in 2017 - is a more ideal pairing with a QB like McCown. Bridgewater would beat out McCown as the starter, but you'd keep a McCown there because you've got heightened concern about the starter's health prognosis.

Ultimately, though, the thought of a 5th straight year without drafting a serious QB prospect - even in a deep QB class - is sickening.

[BCJet]

6 minutes ago, Nick Blitz said:

What success?

The 2 years of starting with a 65% completion % and 28 TDs.

[Philc1]

Just now, BCJet said:

The 2 years of starting with a 65% completion % and 28 TDs.

28 tds in 2 years is considered good in today’s nfl?  He looked great throwing to the running back every play

 

I never disliked Bridgewater and I thought it was ridiculous he got killed for one bad workout while not wearing gloves but he was a barely above average qb before his leg almost fell off

[Barkus]

Bridgewater vs Tyrod Taylor?

bridgewater is more accurate, less mobile, less experience, average arm, injury history.

Taylor has stronger arm and great deep ball thrower for Robby Anderson, very mobile, more experience, less accurate though which is not ideal for west coast system.

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, Barkus said:

Bridgewater vs Tyrod Taylor?

bridgewater is more accurate, less mobile, less experience, average arm, injury history.

Taylor has stronger arm and great deep ball thrower for Robby Anderson, very mobile, more experience, less accurate though which is not ideal for west coast system.

They are the same player except Tyrod doesn’t have Teddy’s injury history

[Pennington]

1 hour ago, BCJet said:

Curious - did you like Bridgewater coming out of the 2014 draft?

The Board never ceases to surprise me, that a guy who Im sure a lot of people clamored for us to draft, now may become available due to an injury that he is fully healed from, will be 25 on opening day 2018, and has 2 seasons of proven NFL play, but is viewed as "not a long term solution at the position".  

What is a long term solution, drafting someone who is 23?

I for one didn't like Bridgewater when he was drafted and I sure as hell don't want him now. Enough with settling for mediocrity or worse at the most important position in sports. With Darnold and Rosen most likely out of reach swing for the fences and move up for Mayfield.

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, Pennington said:

I for one didn't like Bridgewater when he was drafted and I sure as hell don't want him now. Enough with settling for medicrity or worse at the most important position in sports. With Darnold and Rosen most likely out of reach swing for the fences and move up for Mayfield.

Mayfield is Mark Sanchez with a side of Johnny Manziel

[BCJet]

4 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

They are the same player except Tyrod doesn’t have Teddy’s injury history

Definitely the same player, except one is an accurate, rhythm passer whose skill set fits the WCO and who doesnt run, while the other one is a deep passer who relies heavily on mobility.

Very similar players.

[Pennington]

2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Mayfield is Mark Sanchez with a side of Johnny Manziel

Absolute nonsense. He is more Russell Wilson and Drew Brees than Manziel. Mayfield is going to be a star in the league and I really hope its with the Jets.