Popular Post PS17 Posted December 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2017 Mayfield >>>>>>>>> Allen 8 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paradis Posted December 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2017 the sheer idea of taking Allen before Mayfield makes me sick. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Paradis said: the sheer idea of taking Allen before Mayfield makes me sick. Mayfield is Brett Farve, Allen is Kyle Boller 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 9 hours ago, NoBowles said: More schleps who don’t know about the 60% rule.... Who is your favorite NFL QB who had never completed 60% of his passes in college and averaged 56%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 10 hours ago, Mackman55 said: I'm thrilled that he's "Slinging It" against that powerhouse Eastern Michigan defense. The better he looks here increases the odds that some GM buys the idea of him being an impact NFL QB and decides to take him early guaranteeing that a top prospect like Mayfield is there when the Jets pick. As long as that GM isn't Mac....... 9 hours ago, flgreen said: If the Jets finish 5-11 Allen will probably be their pick. If he's still on the board. Nope Mac would have to trade up - we will be at 9. Top 4 qb’s could easily go in first 8 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, gEYno said: Who is your favorite NFL QB who had never completed 60% of his passes in college and averaged 56%? I’d probably have to say Joe Montana but he got nowhere near 56% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 2 hours ago, gEYno said: Who is your favorite NFL QB who had never completed 60% of his passes in college and averaged 56%? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 12 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: I love the guys that think there is even a small chance macc is going anywhere SOJJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Even in this game everyone is raving about - he was 11-of-19 for 154 yards This is a big pass for me. find a way to get Mayfield. Worst case we have an exciting offense for year - for the first time in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Do whatever it takes to draft Baker Mayfield. Please? Just once let this friggin franchise at least attempt to get it right. Even if Mayfield is a bust you can say at least they took a shot instead of going the conservative BPA route. JUST DRAFT HIM: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Paradis said: the sheer idea of taking Allen before Mayfield makes me sick. I actually have a really good feeling we wind up with Mayfield, and that he actually turns out to be quite good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 2 hours ago, redlichtie said: I’d probably have to say Joe Montana but he got nowhere near 56% As there’s no difference between the today’s game and that of the late-70s, this is a meaningful comparison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackman55 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 8 hours ago, Paradis said: the sheer idea of taking Allen before Mayfield makes me sick. Man you summarized my feelings exactly. The perfect scenario has finally fallen into place with a franchise QB, Baker Mayfield, within reach in the first round. If somehow we pass on this opportunity, I swear after 50 years of rooting for this franchise, I might have to check out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 49 minutes ago, gEYno said: As there’s no difference between the today’s game and that of the late-70s, this is a meaningful comparison. Not what your question asked, perhaps you could’ve been clearer, maybe: ‘who’s your favourite NFL QB who failed to get even a 56% completion in college but excluding 4xSuper Bowl winning, 3 x MVP and 2x League MVP hall of famers’....i’ll Know for next time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanJet Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 When Mayfield shows up under 6' tall at the combine like many say he will, will you still feel the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, redlichtie said: Not what your question asked, perhaps you could’ve been clearer, maybe: ‘who’s your favourite NFL QB who failed to get even a 56% completion in college but excluding 4xSuper Bowl winning, 3 x MVP and 2x League MVP hall of famers’....i’ll Know for next time Here's a college line that doesn't inspire confidence in pro potential. Let's just say he turned out to be pretty good. I'm sure some of the older guys here will recognize him from the school at least. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1987 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 79 194 40.7 1264 6.5 5.0 15 13 107.6 1988 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 178 319 55.8 2271 7.1 7.4 16 5 129.0 1989 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 206 381 54.1 2588 6.8 6.3 14 10 118.0 1990 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 150 275 54.5 1572 5.7 5.2 7 6 106.6 Career Southern Mississippi 613 1169 52.4 7695 6.6 6.2 52 34 116.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 4 hours ago, gEYno said: Who is your favorite NFL QB who had never completed 60% of his passes in college and averaged 56%? No, I am in agreement with the 60% crowd. I think cherry picking a statistic, in a time period, that is not normalized, at all, is the way to go, and these other jokers who have NFL jobs don't know what they are talking about. I also don't think there is anything to dive into and analyze when it comes to completion percentage in college, you either hit that number regardless of system, coaching, competition, talent around you, average YPA, or you don't and its that cut and dry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, SpartanJet said: When Mayfield shows up under 6' tall at the combine like many say he will, will you still feel the same? If a half inch is the reason we don't pick Mayfield then I'll be outraged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackman55 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 15 minutes ago, SpartanJet said: When Mayfield shows up under 6' tall at the combine like many say he will, will you still feel the same? I have absolutely no concerns. How would you like Drew Brees or Russell Wilson playing QB for the Jets? They are both under 6' in height. Mayfield, like Wilson, has superior pocket presence with excellent lateral quickness which enables them to create throwing lanes despite their height. BTW, Mayfield is listed at 6"1" but I fully expect him to measure right at 6'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Mackman55 said: Man you summarized my feelings exactly. The perfect scenario has finally fallen into place with a franchise QB, Baker Mayfield, within reach in the first round. If somehow we pass on this opportunity, I swear after 50 years of rooting for this franchise, I might have to check out. If the Plan is to AGAIN go with a retread and not draft a QB, right there with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Allen you have to factor in level of competition Wyoming played but has the arm strength Mayfield is a winner not the great physical specimen some people idolize over. It is a tough one to decide Mac career rides on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, redlichtie said: Not what your question asked, perhaps you could’ve been clearer, maybe: ‘who’s your favourite NFL QB who failed to get even a 56% completion in college but excluding 4xSuper Bowl winning, 3 x MVP and 2x League MVP hall of famers’....i’ll Know for next time Yeah, my bad for not specifying I meant within the modern era. Big score for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 42 minutes ago, NoBowles said: No, I am in agreement with the 60% crowd. I think cherry picking a statistic, in a time period, that is not normalized, at all, is the way to go, and these other jokers who have NFL jobs don't know what they are talking about. I also don't think there is anything to dive into and analyze when it comes to completion percentage in college, you either hit that number regardless of system, coaching, competition, talent around you, average YPA, or you don't and its that cut and dry. I guess having strong predictive validity supported by (obviously gay) math, is cherry picking. So, yes, my apologies for cherry picking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 17 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: In this bowl game. 3 Tds and 125 yards in the first half. This performance is probably going to make some people's buttholes pucker around here, because this is the type of performance that mezmorizes people about his good qualities and make his bad qualities seem like an afterthought. ? Edit: before people get all up in arms, I'm not saying this performance validates him or anything, just saying for those that don't like him, this should make you nervous, because some of the throws he has made so far will make evaluators swoon. he'll be gone / " off the Board " when we pick.. unless we're able to...Trade-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackman55 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, faba said: Allen you have to factor in level of competition Wyoming played but has the arm strength Mayfield is a winner not the great physical specimen some people idolize over. It is a tough one to decide Mac career rides on it This the point I've made several times about Allen. If anyone is serious about evaluating these QB's I urge you to watch the 2018 game tape of Wyoming vs Oregon (where Allen finally played against real D1 talent) and Oklahoma vs Ohio State. You'll clearly see the talent disparity and the OS game also destroys the claims that Mayfield has not faced top defensive competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, gEYno said: I guess having strong predictive validity supported by (obviously gay) math, is cherry picking. So, yes, my apologies for cherry picking. Strong predictive validity? What is the N we are dealing with here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 38 minutes ago, faba said: Allen you have to factor in level of competition Wyoming played but has the arm strength Mayfield is a winner not the great physical specimen some people idolize over. It is a tough one to decide Mac career rides on it Don't you also have to factor in the talent on their teams? Mayfield has a lot more to work with than Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 70% completion, 339 yds, 4 TDs, 0 INTs 68% completion, 371 yds, 4 TDs, 0 INTs Last game of the season (twice), with one of them a bowl game, for which QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Mackman55 said: Man you summarized my feelings exactly. The perfect scenario has finally fallen into place with a franchise QB, Baker Mayfield, within reach in the first round. If somehow we pass on this opportunity, I swear after 50 years of rooting for this franchise, I might have to check out. No way he lasts till the 9th pick NO WAY. This draft will simulate the ‘83 draft when 6 QB’s were taken in 1st round. Teams ALWAYS reach when they need a QB. Browns, Giants, Jets, Broncos, Skins and Cards, could all be easily go QB in rd 1. In this order it looks like we could have a good shot at 1 of the top 4 of Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen or Jackson who are the top 5 that are prime candidates to go in rd 1. But teams often reach and trade up. Can we afford to sit back and watch Mac sip his coffee while others leap frog our spot. It would surely be his demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, NoBowles said: Strong predictive validity? What is the N we are dealing with here? Essentially all NFL QBs in the last 20ish years? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, SpartanJet said: When Mayfield shows up under 6' tall at the combine like many say he will, will you still feel the same? Full disclosure, I don't like Mayfield at all. However, objectively speaking Allen will look a lot better in the eyes of scouts in shorts than Mayfield. Not to mention, he comes from a pro-style offense so his chalk board knowledge should be more well ahead of Mayfield at this point. My bias aside, I'd be shocked if Mayfield were to be drafted ahead of Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, BigO said: No way he lasts till the 9th pick NO WAY. This draft will simulate the ‘83 draft when 6 QB’s were taken in 1st round. Teams ALWAYS reach when they need a QB. Browns, Giants, Jets, Broncos, Skins and Cards, could all be easily go QB in rd 1. In this order it looks like we could have a good shot at 1 of the top 4 of Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen or Jackson who are the top 5 that are prime candidates to go in rd 1. But teams often reach and trade up. Can we afford to sit back and watch Mac sip his coffee while others leap frog our spot. It would surely be his demise. There are Jets fans that will bash Mac for taking Allen at 9 because Allen is hack/Browning nagle. And there are Jets fans that will bash Mac for but trading up to get Allen. I'm willing to let things play out and trust that macc has a plan for our next Franchise QB. Whether is cousins, Luck, Jackson, Allen, Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen. As long as QB is the top priority your off-season (meaning we aren't settling for a kid in the second round or another mccown type signing) I'll be willing to give the player a chance. Personally, I'd prefer to just sign cousins and then surround him with talent from this year's draft when a bunch of really good players will fall to 8-10 because everyone is scrambling for a QB. Obviously, if we can't get cousins then we should be the one scrambling to secure the player our scouts think has the best chance to succeed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, gEYno said: Essentially all NFL QBs in the last 20ish years? This is a classic example of statistics being by people who don’t fully understand them, and touting them as something more than they are. does college completion percentage matter? Of course. Is it the be all end all, hell no. Also, why are we picking 20 years other than that being the time period that statistically suits your argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 eye test boys. eye test. that’s all the applied mathematics I need. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 11 hours ago, PS17 said: Mayfield >>>>>>>>> Allen Rosen>Darnold>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mayfield>>>>>>>>Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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