kevinc855 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 We are not getting Darnold or Rosen at 1 and 2. Get over it, browns and giants are not trading out. With that said it’s betwen mayfield or Allen and most have Allen more highly rated ( still skeptical since Wyoming plays crap teams but ok). If we trade up and snag him at 3 from bears or colts what is our expectations next year? I mean we need to still get this man help but with the current roster and Allen what are the Jets next year? Playoff contenders? Just curious to hear all your opinions. Jet up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Giants aren’t even a lock for the #2 pick. i really don’t understand why you think the Colts can’t secure that spot. The Giants played a good game last week. Manning isn’t going out without some pride to take with him. But if it’s Allen or Mayfield, I want Mayfield all day, every day. Give me moxie and accuracy over arm strength and body size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Lamar Jackson please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Lamar Jackson please. Really! Like really??? Cmon I’m not giving up 2 first rounds picks for that Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Giants aren’t even a lock for the #2 pick. i really don’t understand why you think the Colts can’t secure that spot. The Giants played a good game last week. Manning isn’t going out without some pride to take with him. But if it’s Allen or Mayfield, I want Mayfield all day, every day. Give me moxie and accuracy over arm strength and body size. Let’s see if the colts win today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Ah yes this needed to be it's own thread rather than adding this to any of the other Allen threads already active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: We are not getting Darnold or Rosen at 1 and 2. Get over it, browns and giants are not trading out. With that said it’s betwen mayfield or Allen and most have Allen more highly rated ( still skeptical since Wyoming plays crap teams but ok). If we trade up and snag him at 3 from bears or colts what is our expectations next year? I mean we need to still get this man help but with the current roster and Allen what are the Jets next year? Playoff contenders? Just curious to hear all your opinions. Jet up! I think if we trade up for Allen, Josh McCown will start ~12 games for the Jets next year and Bowles will be replaced at the end of the year by whomever happens to be coaching the Eagles wide receivers at the time, who will then decide he wants Nick Foles to be his starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I think I'd prefer starting Hackenberg next year and tanking for 2019 than drafting Allen in the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 Just now, maury77 said: I think I'd prefer starting Hackenberg next year and tanking for 2019 than drafting Allen in the top 10. Ahh yes let’s just continue to tank for the next 10 years! Sounds like a plan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I think if the team trades up for Josh Allen and drafts him at number 3, then they’re in for another down 4-5 season with another massive front office overhaul. So it’ll probably be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Lamar Jackson please. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: I think if the team trades up for Josh Allen and drafts him at number 3, then they’re in for another down 4-5 season with another massive front office overhaul. So it’ll probably be done. I don’t want Allen but I can tolerate drafting him at 9 or 10 NOT trading up for him that would be a Ryan Leaf-esque blunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I don’t want Allen but I can tolerate drafting him at 9 or 10 NOT trading up for him that would be a Ryan Leaf-esque blunder I’m of the mind that project QBs shouldn’t be taken before the third round. I only see three QBs worth an actual first round grade in this draft. If they don’t get one of them, reaching for a bad one is not a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: I’m of the mind that project QBs shouldn’t be taken before the third round. I only see three QBs worth an actual first round grade in this draft. If they don’t get one of them, reaching for a bad one is not a great idea. I don’t want Allen either and I find it troubling idiot Hack writers like Mehta who are just mouthpieces for this inept franchise are running around talking him up now and how we should take him over Lamar Jackson and sign Teddy freakin Bridgewater who wasn’t good before almost getting his leg amputated If we trade up for Allen forget about being a Giants fan I will become a huge New England Patriots fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I don’t want Allen either and I find it troubling idiot Hack writers like Mehta who are just mouthpieces for this inept franchise are running around talking him up now and how we should take him over Lamar Jackson and sign Teddy freakin Bridgewater who wasn’t good before almost getting his leg amputated If we trade up for Allen forget about being a Giants fan I will become a huge New England Patriots fan You are one of the guys who loves to complain and doesn’t offer solutions! What would you like the jets to do at the qb position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 47 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Really! Like really??? Cmon I’m not giving up 2 first rounds picks for that Dude Why would you have to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 57 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: We are not getting Darnold or Rosen at 1 and 2. Get over it, browns and giants are not trading out. With that said it’s betwen mayfield or Allen and most have Allen more highly rated ( still skeptical since Wyoming plays crap teams but ok). If we trade up and snag him at 3 from bears or colts what is our expectations next year? I mean we need to still get this man help but with the current roster and Allen what are the Jets next year? Playoff contenders? Just curious to hear all your opinions. Jet up! Is Bowles is still HC we won't see our rookie QB play unless the Jets are eliminated from the playoffs , causing the board to be flooded with numerous bust , redshirt and etc... posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Regardless of who we draft we need to have a HC in place that will grow with a rookie QB, Todd Bowles prefers old loser washed up veteran QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 56 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I don’t want Allen either and I find it troubling idiot Hack writers like Mehta who are just mouthpieces for this inept franchise are running around talking him up now and how we should take him over Lamar Jackson and sign Teddy freakin Bridgewater who wasn’t good before almost getting his leg amputated If we trade up for Allen forget about being a Giants fan I will become a huge New England Patriots fan Bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan39 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Regardless of who we draft we need to have a HC in place that will grow with a rookie QB, Todd Bowles prefers old loser washed up veteran QB's. he can't play old loser washed up veteran qb's if Mac doesn't sign them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: You are one of the guys who loves to complain and doesn’t offer solutions! What would you like the jets to do at the qb position? Draft someone who’s not ******* terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 If we got a promising rookie QB, I wouldn't care about the record year one. Just keep him safe (oline) and give him some weapons. I'd happily watch a 13 loss season. At least we'd stop this complete stupidity of starting worthless old QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Ahh yes let’s just continue to tank for the next 10 years! Sounds like a plan!! "Continue to tank"? We haven't tanked yet. And that's why I won't care if Macc and/or bowles is fired. We shouldn't have had more than two wins this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Ahh yes let’s just continue to tank for the next 10 years! Sounds like a plan!! Allen would certainly help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Ahh yes let’s just continue to tank for the next 10 years! Sounds like a plan!! I've been dealing with this mess for 33 years, what another year at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanJet Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Ahh yes let’s just continue to tank for the next 10 years! Sounds like a plan!! They would have to actually start to tank, something they already f**ked up this year by Jetting up so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: We are not getting Darnold or Rosen at 1 and 2. Get over it, browns and giants are not trading out. With that said it’s betwen mayfield or Allen and most have Allen more highly rated ( still skeptical since Wyoming plays crap teams but ok). If we trade up and snag him at 3 from bears or colts what is our expectations next year? I mean we need to still get this man help but with the current roster and Allen what are the Jets next year? Playoff contenders? Just curious to hear all your opinions. Jet up! 2-14 if we draft Allen and he starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 3 hours ago, 56mehl56 said: Is Bowles is still HC we won't see our rookie QB play unless the Jets are eliminated from the playoffs , causing the board to be flooded with numerous bust , redshirt and etc... posts. not for nothing but mac could force the issue by not signing a vet back up. if they do draft one of the highly rated prospects all he has to do is not sign anyone else and force bowles to make do with petty/hack or ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 minute ago, rangerous said: not for nothing but mac could force the issue by not signing a vet back up. if they do draft one of the highly rated prospects all he has to do is not sign anyone else and force bowles to make do with petty/hack or ? Then Bowles gameplan would be run run run into 8 and 9 man fronts. Bowles will not change his philosophy , its how he was taught football , its just that, that style of game is no longer favored in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Then Bowles gameplan would be run run run into 8 and 9 man fronts. Bowles will not change his philosophy , its how he was taught football , its just that, that style of game is no longer favored in the NFL. not for nothing this is still sound football strategy. the problem is the jets have little oline help at the point of attack. when both sanche or fitz were qb's the team did much better if they were limited to about 25 pass attempts per game. once they started to sling the ball things went south very quickly. the other problem is the college game relies much more on passing than it used to so the oline prospects don't have the run block skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Sure its sound strategy if you have the Bears 46 defense or you have the Cowboys Oline and Zeke toting the rock. Its not sound strategy when you have a mediocre Oline and Powell/Forte/Mcguire as your Rb's . Bowles is just the next in line of defensive minded HC's the Jets have employed who believe they are playing mid 70's NFL football. Mac could hand Bowles a gunslinging Qb and 3 wr's who run 4.4 and Bowles would still prefer to run the ball win the TOP and have his defense carry the team - its whats ingrained in him to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 4 hours ago, kevinc855 said: We are not getting Darnold or Rosen at 1 and 2. Get over it, browns and giants are not trading out. With that said it’s betwen mayfield or Allen and most have Allen more highly rated ( still skeptical since Wyoming plays crap teams but ok). If we trade up and snag him at 3 from bears or colts what is our expectations next year? I mean we need to still get this man help but with the current roster and Allen what are the Jets next year? Playoff contenders? Just curious to hear all your opinions. Jet up! What if, and a BIG what if, both Rosen AND Darnold tell the Browns they won’t play for them. Darnold has leverage as he can say he won’t come out but Rosen I believe has none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 minute ago, 56mehl56 said: Sure its sound strategy if you have the Bears 46 defense or you have the Cowboys Oline and Zeke toting the rock. Its not sound strategy when you have a mediocre Oline and Powell/Forte/Mcguire as your Rb's . Bowles is just the next in line of defensive minded HC's the Jets have employed who believe they are playing mid 70's NFL football. Mac could hand Bowles a gunslinging Qb and 3 wr's who run 4.4 and Bowles would still prefer to run the ball win the TOP and have his defense carry the team - its whats ingrained in him to do. Bowles idea of a high powered offense is a sh*tty defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Mike135 said: "Continue to tank"? We haven't tanked yet. And that's why I won't care if Macc and/or bowles is fired. We shouldn't have had more than two wins this year. Yep cutting decker mangold Marshall etc and signing a 38 year old journeyman qb who won 2 games in like his last 20 starts was def mac trying to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 53 minutes ago, SpartanJet said: They would have to actually start to tank, something they already f**ked up this year by Jetting up so hard. We gut the entire roster this year? Do you people even follow this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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