Time for an investigation into Al Riveron

[RoadFan]

Three times this season, he has overturned a huge TD against the Patriots.  He also allowed a Brandin Cooks game winner to stand when it was clearly incomplete as he failed to maintain control through the ground.  Far better "obvious" evidence to overturn the Cooks TD than the ASJ, Jesse James, and Benjamin plays.

At best, Riveron is somewhere between overzealous and grossly incompetent.

At worst, he is a crooked son-of-a-bitch. 

Investigations can lead to some surprising places.  For the first time I have real suspicions that the NFL is, at least in part, a business with some truly shady things behind the scenes.  Scandals have been uncovered in other sports and sports organizations.  College basketball.  Italian "football." FIFA. Cycling. Olympics.  Pete Rose.  Etc.

The NFL deserves no more or less benefit of the doubt than any other sport.  In fact, the billions of dollars involved provides more reason to be suspicious, not less.

 

 

[jetfan39]

is he the one in the booth in NY or is he the ref on the field?

[JoJoTownsell1]

3 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Three times this season, he has overturned a huge TD against the Patriots.  He also allowed a Brandin Cooks game winner to stand when it was clearly incomplete as he failed to maintain control through the ground.

At best, Riveron is somewhere between overzealous and grossly incompetent.

At worst, he is a crooked son-of-a-bitch.

 

 

He's just grossly incompetent. He has zero respect for the call on the field because he's probably always felt he was the smartest ref. Now's his chance to prove it but instead he's just looking like a fool. 

I've seen plenty of bad calls in non pats games.

[joewilly12]

He looks like a cheater 

[Jet Nut]

Might actually be true if none of those disallowed catches were actually catches by rule.  But while the rule sucks, the calls were right by the letter of the rule.

That's without taking into account that the calls come from the NY office.  Not from Riverton on his own.  

 

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 minutes ago, jetfan39 said:

is he the one in the booth in NY or is he the ref on the field?

He's the dope in NY overruling the good calls on the field.

[joewilly12]

Dean Blandino

[jetfan39]

5 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

He's the dope in NY overruling the good calls on the field.

then I agree that an investigation may be needed.  Has anyone checked his bank account lately?

[RoadFan]

7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

He's just grossly incompetent. He has zero respect for the call on the field because he's probably always felt he was the smartest ref. Now's his chance to prove it but instead he's just looking like a fool. 

I've seen plenty of bad calls in non pats games.

The Zach Miller call was a disgrace, no doubt.

[RoadFan]

8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Might actually be true if none of those disallowed catches were actually catches by rule.  But while the rule sucks, the calls were right by the letter of the rule.

That's without taking into account that the calls come from the NY office.  Not from Riverton on his own.  

 

And what about the opinions of former NFL officiating personnel?  I am certain there are current NFL officials that feel the decisions were wrong, although they are extremely unlikely to say so.

[RoadFan]

14 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

He's just grossly incompetent. He has zero respect for the call on the field because he's probably always felt he was the smartest ref. Now's his chance to prove it but instead he's just looking like a fool. 

I've seen plenty of bad calls in non pats games.

College basketball has been shown to be crooked.  The huge "football" scandal in Italy?

Is it so far-fetched that the NFL's video replay guy may have ties to gambling rings?  I am not accusing Riveron of anything.  But there is now enough suspicion to take a closer look.

[JohnnyLV]

17 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Might actually be true if none of those disallowed catches were actually catches by rule.  But while the rule sucks, the calls were right by the letter of the rule.

That's without taking into account that the calls come from the NY office.  Not from Riverton on his own.  

 

No, no they were absolutely not. Overturns require CLEAR OBVIOUS and COMPELLING evidence to overturn. NONE of them had it.

[Freemanm]

38 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Three times this season, he has overturned a huge TD against the Patriots.  He also allowed a Brandin Cooks game winner to stand when it was clearly incomplete as he failed to maintain control through the ground.

At best, Riveron is somewhere between overzealous and grossly incompetent.

At worst, he is a crooked son-of-a-bitch.

 

 

As I said before, it's just too much of a coincidence. I absolutely think Goodell and his boyfriend, Bob Kraft, are behind this. The Patriots apparently are good for business.

[Jack Conway]

NE gets every call at home AND away, even to the point where obvious catches by opponents are overturned. The league is shamelessly in the tank for BB&K, they always have HF throughout the playoffs, rules are always interpreted in their favor but no one in authority has the balls to call them on it. It's a sham  and I fully expect the SB to feature one or more of these BS rulings which help NE to win again. So much for level playing field.

[UnitedWhofans]

It was suggested that the NFL creates these situations so that the focus is away from the off the field stuff 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

He looks like a cheater 

He looks like the guy that plays Al Capone in Boardwalk Empire . 

[Larz]

Why would they investigate the guy putting the team into the super bowl with the highest international profile? 

It's a business 

Hold onto the damn ball 

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, RoadFan said:

And what about the opinions of former NFL officiating personnel?  I am certain there are current NFL officials that feel the decisions were wrong, although they are extremely unlikely to say so.

The rulings are right.  More to the point, the Pats and Goodel aren't friends since deflate gate.  Why would the league fix games for the Pats.  How does that help the league?  

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, johnnysd said:

No, no they were absolutely not. Overturns require CLEAR OBVIOUS and COMPELLING evidence to overturn. NONE of them had it.

Sure they weren't.  None of them.  

[rangerous]

3 hours ago, RoadFan said:

Three times this season, he has overturned a huge TD against the Patriots.  He also allowed a Brandin Cooks game winner to stand when it was clearly incomplete as he failed to maintain control through the ground.

At best, Riveron is somewhere between overzealous and grossly incompetent.

At worst, he is a crooked son-of-a-bitch. 

Investigations can lead to some surprising places.  For the first time I have real suspicions that the NFL is, at least in part, a business with some truly shady things behind the scenes.  Scandals have been uncovered in other sports and sports organizations.  College basketball.  Italian "football." FIFA. Olympics.  Etc.

The NFL deserves no more or less benefit of the doubt than any other sport.  In fact, the billions of dollars involved provides more reason to be suspicious, not less.

 

 

there was something i read or heard quite some ago about the nfl calling the games exhibitions to avoid having them mean anything in a legal sense.  if that's true then the outcomes are any way the nfl wants them to be.  and we all know kraft is one of the most vocal and powerful owners because he's the guy who was behind a lot of the tv and ad revenue.

[Larz]

Michael Jordan could get away with anything. Patrick Ewing took 4 steps without dribbling. The star pitchers get the strike call. 

You have to scratch and claw and get your own star to battle it. 

[Integrity28]

3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

The rulings are right.  More to the point, the Pats and Goodel aren't friends since deflate gate.  Why would the league fix games for the Pats.  How does that help the league?  

Wrong.

[RoadFan]

3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

The rulings are right.  More to the point, the Pats and Goodel aren't friends since deflate gate.  Why would the league fix games for the Pats.  How does that help the league?  

You're overlooking part of the equation.  This isn't necessarily just about the Patriots.  The controversy surrounding their games in particular is just the most obvious alarm bell.  

If there is something not on the level, the door has to be cracked open first.   No telling what, or whom, is actually behind it.

[Jet Nut]

26 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

You're overlooking part of the equation.  This isn't necessarily just about the Patriots.  The controversy surrounding their games in particular is just the most obvious alarm bell.  

If there is something not on the level, the door has to be cracked open first.   No telling what, or whom, is actually behind it.

For what gain?  No one will answer that.  What league would risk its existence rigging games to a team most people don't even like.  What does it do for the league?  If they were giving games to the Pats and were caught the league is done, no one watches.

[RoadFan]

44 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

For what gain?  No one will answer that.  What league would risk its existence rigging games to a team most people don't even like.  What does it do for the league?  If they were giving games to the Pats and were caught the league is done, no one watches.

Again... you are only focusing on the Patriots.  Perhaps other lower profile  games may have been manipulated? 

As for the "what gain?"

Well, financial of course.

Ratings...sponsors...and getting us suckers to pay for their stadiums despite the billions in profit they pocket.

 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, RoadFan said:

Again... you are only focusing on the Patriots.  Perhaps other lower profile  games may have been manipulated? 

As for the "what gain?"

Well, financial of course.

Ratings...sponsors...and getting us suckers to pay for their stadiums despite the billions in profit they pocket.

 

Ratings, sponsors and paying for stadiums?  By rigging calls for a team? Again, get caught and there is no league.  Every championship turns worthless immediately and football is gone.  For imagined financial gains?  How did a call, like the one that triggered this in the 1st of. Bills v Pats change a blowout Pats win?  Make more money for the league?  Sorry, we all hate the Pats but this makes no sense to me.  Helping the Pats or any other team, letting so many people in on the swindle would quickly blow up and cause the owners Billions,

[Randy Rasmussen]

The rulings are right.  More to the point, the Pats and Goodel aren't friends since deflate gate.  Why would the league fix games for the Pats.  How does that help the league?  

Goodells father Chuck was a long time season ticket holder of the Patriots.
Roger himself has admitted being a Patriot fan, attending games with his Dad as a boy.
Dilly Dilly. I call fraud.


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[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, Randy Rasmussen said:

 

Goodells father Chuck was a long time season ticket holder of the Patriots.
Roger himself has admitted being a Patriot fan, attending games with his Dad as a boy.
Dilly Dilly. I call fraud.


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And Kraft is as pissed as can be over deflategate.  

Goodell was an intern with the Jets, funny thing is most Pats fans use this to defend their belief that Goodell favors the Jets.  

Fraud is when fans, jealous of another teams success, cry and whine that they get all the breaks and the league is handing them wins that they never would have gotten on their own.  

 

[The Crusher]

3 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Wrong.

Deflate gate was what any teh mafia goodness player would label “ distancing .”

[jetscrazey]

I don't think anyone can question that Riveron is a disaster (and quite possibly a New England fan)

The 1st problem is that the NYC HQ doesn't really take into consideration what the ruling on the field was, therefore it seems there is less of a "conclusive evidence to overturn" standard, and a true 50/50 judgment call can be overturned based on one man in NY's opinion.

The 2nd problem is that they have to stop using super slo-mo to determine what a catch is.  If you slow it down enough, ANYTHING can be looked at as a bobble.  Bobbles/ball moving in hands should be determined in regular speed, or close to it.

And of course, the fumble touchback rule needs to go away forever because it's way too harsh.  At worst, it should be a 5-10 yard penalty from the spot of the fumble to dis-incentivize reckless reaching for the goal line.  Making it a touchback is like giving 20 years in prison to someone who stole a pair of socks.

[jetscrazey]

8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

The rulings are right.  More to the point, the Pats and Goodel aren't friends since deflate gate.  Why would the league fix games for the Pats.  How does that help the league?  

Even given the rule, I still don't see how Sefarian-Jenkins's TD was overturned.  He repossessed the ball BEFORE reaching the pylon, and maintained possession after hitting the ground.  Not saying it's a conspiracy, just that Riveron's a blind idiot.

[Jet Nut]

33 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

Even given the rule, I still don't see how Sefarian-Jenkins's TD was overturned.  He repossessed the ball BEFORE reaching the pylon, and maintained possession after hitting the ground.  Not saying it's a conspiracy, just that Riveron's a blind idiot.

I thought so too.  The conspiracy is pointless without a sufficient reason to rig games.  Also to blame the onfield ref when the decisions are made with officials in NY office makes blaming Riveron alone wrong.

[Integrity28]

7 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Deflate gate was what any teh mafia goodness player would label “ distancing .”

Exactly.

[CanadaSteve]

17 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Might actually be true if none of those disallowed catches were actually catches by rule.  But while the rule sucks, the calls were right by the letter of the rule.

That's without taking into account that the calls come from the NY office.  Not from Riverton on his own.  

 

Yeah, I guess none of those were catches....OH WAIT!  One was a catch.  You know, the one where Brandin Cooks catches the ball, jumps up and hits the ground and the ball CLEARLY hits the ground and moves.  But that was a catch...

[56mehl56]

15 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

The rulings are right.  More to the point, the Pats and Goodel aren't friends since deflate gate.  Why would the league fix games for the Pats.  How does that help the league?  

My god are you one naive fool.