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18 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said:

So much talk about drafting a QB, but we'll also have close to $100M to spend on free agents.  Interested in seeing what your top priorities would be.

An OL...hopefully starting with the best center available.

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Since this year the Jets were trying to win the Super Bowl with Josh McCown, next year will inevitably be sold as a rebuilding year.   So I think the Jets need to do what good teams who rebuild do outside of a QB and prioritize premium positions.  For the Jets?

Edge Rusher > CBx2 > LT - fill in the rest and they still need a C, DE, TE, RB, G, MLB

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The Jets' ~$90m will surely be enough for us to sign over a dozen new starters. It's not as though there will be an additional $1.5B in cap room around the league once all teams cut their own dead weight.

So let's just start by saying we'll easily fill all these holes and needed upgrades (once our own cuts are done), and that there's wise money to be spent on all these positions:

  1. QB
  2. RB
  3. TE
  4. LT
  5. LG
  6. C
  7. RG
  8. RT
  9. DE
  10. NT
  11. EDGE
  12. ILB
  13. CB1
  14. CB2
  15. NB

 

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Part of it on Jimmy Graham.  Yeah, he's 31, but top TEs continue to play well into their 30s.  And TE market is low, Graham's current deal signed 4 years ago at 10 Mil AAV is still high mark.  Sign Graham for 2 or 3 years in 7-9M/year range. Get a TE who demands attention.  Sorry to break it to fans who think ASJ is good because he's the first TE in 3 years to catch a few passes for the Jets, but he's not.  

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Quick someone name a 3-4 edge rusher, or ANY OL that will be a FA, and is actually any good?

I’ll wait.

Now if we move on from Bowles do the right thing, and employ a 4-3 D give Ziggy Ansah a blank check move Lee to OLB in a 4-3, maybe resign Sheldon for reasonable money, and throw blank check at Trumaine Johnson at CB, and maybe resign Claiborne, and possibly throw money at a run stuffing DT, the other half of the money I throw at Lev Bell, and Allen Robinson.  Draft QB, OL, OL, LB/S hybrid to play opposite of Lee in the new 4-3 D.

Let the rookie QB start (hopefully it’s L Jackson), and the Jets bring in a HC is an offensive mind that understands how to make a L Jackson, and Lev Bell offense work like the Falcons did with Vick, and Dunn.

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3 minutes ago, JiF said:

Since this year the Jets were trying to win the Super Bowl with Josh McCown, next year will inevitably be sold as a rebuilding year.   So I think the Jets need to do what good teams who rebuild do outside of a QB and prioritize premium positions.  For the Jets?

Edge Rusher > CBx2 > LT - fill in the rest and they still need a C, DE, TE, RB, G, MLB

The free agency money has to first go to trying to secure a veteran QB, Cousins is my #1, if he's unattainable I go after Bridgewater, I know, not optimum but he's still young, wont break the bank, and he was very well liked by his Vikings teammates before he was injured. If we got Cousins, I'm taking BPA with the #1 & if that's Sequan Barkley, I'm pulling a Dallas (Dak looked like sh*t without Elliott to lean on) and Dak has Dez & freaking Witten too.

Jets need to use those 2 second rounders on best Olineman available! Other than the Cousins or Bridgewater free agent money, they need to spend the money on CB & pass rushers. There are no LTs hitting the open market worth huge contracts. 

We need to hope Bill Obrien gets fired, Chris lets Bowles go, and we somehow get a f*cking QB in here, because otherwise NO ONE wants to come here. Does Todd Bowles get you guys FIRED UP? You need not just money but some excitement for free agents too. It's a helluva a lot easier, telling say Jarvis Landry after firing Bowles, hiring Obrien, signing Cousins that we're looking for fireworks out of our offense with you, Kearse, Enunwa & Anderson. 

We are literally under the watchful eye of Todd Bowles, the most boring football team in the entire NFL! Browns & Colts are the others. 49ers have a winning streak now with Garapolo. 

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3 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Quick someone name a 3-4 edge rusher, or ANY OL that will be a FA, and is actually any good?

I’ll wait.

Now if we move on from Bowles do the right thing, and employ a 4-3 D give Ziggy Ansah a blank check move Lee to OLB in a 4-3, maybe resign Sheldon for reasonable money, and throw blank check at Trumaine Johnson at CB, and maybe resign Claiborne, and possibly throw money at a run stuffing DT, the other half of the money I throw at Lev Bell, and Allen Robinson.  Draft QB, OL, OL, LB/S hybrid to play opposite of Lee in the new 4-3 D.

Let the rookie QB start (hopefully it’s L Jackson), and the Jets bring in a HC is an offensive mind that understands how to make a L Jackson, and Lev Bell offense work like the Falcons did with Vick, and Dunn.

This was beautiful except for this bolded part.

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3 minutes ago, Jetster said:

The free agency money has to first go to trying to secure a veteran QB, Cousins is my #1, if he's unattainable I go after Bridgewater, I know, not optimum but he's still young, wont break the bank, and he was very well liked by his Vikings teammates before he was injured. If we got Cousins, I'm taking BPA with the #1 & if that's Sequan Barkley, I'm pulling a Dallas (Dak looked like sh*t without Elliott to lean on) and Dak has Dez & freaking Witten too.

Jets need to use those 2 second rounders on best Olineman available! Other than the Cousins or Bridgewater free agent money, they need to spend the money on CB & pass rushers. There are no LTs hitting the open market worth huge contracts. 

We need to hope Bill Obrien gets fired, Chris lets Bowles go, and we somehow get a f*cking QB in here, because otherwise NO ONE wants to come here. Does Todd Bowles get you guys FIRED UP? You need not just money but some excitement for free agents too. It's a helluva a lot easier, telling say Jarvis Landry after firing Bowles, hiring Obrien, signing Cousins that we're looking for fireworks out of our offense with you, Kearse, Enunwa & Anderson. 

We are literally under the watchful eye of Todd Bowles, the most boring football team in the entire NFL! Browns & Colts are the others. 49ers have a winning streak now with Garapolo. 

I read the thread wrong, I thought it was excluding QB's but yes, I agree.  I'm on record saying I want Cousins. 

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Just now, New York Mick said:

Sign a vet QB maybe Keenum, a few oline and then draft the best playmakers available. 

I know that there is this idea you DON'T draft RBs high in the draft but damn I just want some damn excitement. If we somehow landed Cousins, drafted Barkley if he fell to us, signed Jarvis Landry & used the rest of the draft for olineman, we'd still have close to 65 million probably to fill holes. I really wouldn't mind winning some games 35-28!

Cousins with Barkley in the backfield, with a 4 WR set of Landry/Kearse/Anderson & Enunwa in the Hback roll would seriously change my attitude about the 2018 Jets. Get leads & blitz the f*ck out of everyone & let the chips fall where they may. Can't be any worse than what we've all witnessed for 7 years now!

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2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

This was beautiful except for this bolded part.

Who you drafting at 8?  And don’t tell me Baker Mayfield, because you can’t sell that to me after passing on a far superior QB talent who played in the exact same offense, and had the exact same ? minus the size, and like I said was a far superior physical talent, and has all the work ethic, “IT” factor, and leadership qualities.  And don’t tell me Josh Allen after you passed on the same guy who has as strong if not a stronger more special arm then him, but can actually throw the ball accurately, but yeah take Allen because he played terrible in a pro style offense, and is 6’4” instead of 6’2” **** that.  If we’re not getting Rosen, or Darnold (were not 0% if Giants don’t win next week, and very slim if they do, and very expensive which I’m ok with, but would still have to win the bidding war with Denver, Arizona, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Giants, and possibly a surprise team, or who knows the Colts think Luck is done with that shoulder, and pick themselves.

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1 minute ago, Jetster said:

I know that there is this idea you DON'T draft RBs high in the draft but damn I just want some damn excitement. If we somehow landed Cousins, drafted Barkley if he fell to us, signed Jarvis Landry & used the rest of the draft for olineman, we'd still have close to 65 million probably to fill holes. I really wouldn't mind winning some games 35-28!

Cousins with Barkley in the backfield, with a 4 WR set of Landry/Kearse/Anderson & Enunwa in the Hback roll would seriously change my attitude about the 2018 Jets. Get leads & blitz the f*ck out of everyone & let the chips fall where they may. Can't be any worse than what we've all witnessed for 7 years now!

Who the **** is your true #1 WR here?  Landry is a slot specialist, Robbie is a great deep threat, but not a true #1, and both Kearse, and Enunwa are good, but more like #3 WR’s.  Go get Allen Robinson instead who is a true outside #1 WR forget Landry.

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4 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Who you drafting at 8?  And don’t tell me Baker Mayfield, because you can’t sell that to me after passing on a far superior QB talent who played in the exact same offense, and had the exact same ? minus the size, and like I said was a far superior physical talent, and has all the work ethic, “IT” factor, and leadership qualities.  And don’t tell me Josh Allen after you passed on the same guy who has as strong if not a stronger more special arm then him, but can actually throw the ball accurately, but yeah take Allen because he played terrible in a pro style offense, and is 6’4” instead of 6’2” **** that.  If we’re not getting Rosen, or Darnold (were not 0% if Giants don’t win next week, and very slim if they do, and very expensive which I’m ok with, but would still have to win the bidding war with Denver, Arizona, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Giants, and possibly a surprise team, or who knows the Colts think Luck is done with that shoulder, and pick themselves.

damn straight I’m drafting Baker Mayfield if I can’t trade up to #1 or #2. I don’t care what mistake was made last offseason. I’m not taking Jackson. Screw that. He’s more of a project than Baker or Watson are/was considered.

 

and damn Lupz, the hell you got going on bro? You mad today?

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1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

damn straight I’m drafting Baker Mayfield if I can’t trade up to #1 or #2. I don’t care what mistake was made last offseason. I’m not taking Jackson. Screw that. He’s more of a project than Baker or Watson are/was considered.

 

and damn Lupz, the hell you got going on bro? You mad today?

No I’m mad that people still think Baker is actually an NFL top 5 1st round QB, but last year Pat Mahomes wasn’t seriously?  Baker Mayfield will be the biggest bust in the NFL man, all the heart, and intangibles in the world can’t make you a great NFL QB if your missing some really important sh*t like Mayfield is just go ask Tim Tebow.

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1 minute ago, Lupz27 said:

No I’m mad that people still think Baker is actually an NFL top 5 1st round QB, but last year Pat Mahomes wasn’t seriously?  Baker Mayfield will be the biggest bust in the NFL man, all the heart, and intangibles in the world can’t make you a great NFL QB if your missing some really important sh*t like Mayfield is just go ask Tim Tebow.

I really like his accuracy, his release, his throwing motion in general. Baker has more to off than Tebow ever did. Tebow was a left handed QB with a slow wind up. I’ll take my chances with Baker rather than RG3 pt2. I don’t like Jackson. I don’t think his game translates well. Bakers may not either but he offers way more in my opinion. 

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When does Blake Bortles, Allen Robinson, FA stud RB, or draft Saquan Barkley start becoming an option?  Or why is nobody willing to sing Jimmy G to a tender with a poison pill the 49ers can’t match if they have to go the route of franchise tag?  How is that any different then giving up multiple 1st rounders for a unproven hopefully he becomes a franchise QB to move up in the draft when Jimmy G has proven in 2 different offenses that he is a franchise QB NOW!  I mean honestly how has SF not already locked him up long term WTF are they waiting for, if that guy gets franchised I’m making an offer don’t care how many 1st rounders it costs me.

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3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I really like his accuracy, his release, his throwing motion in general. Baker has more to off than Tebow ever did. Tebow was a left handed QB with a slow wind up. I’ll take my chances with Baker rather than RG3 pt2. I don’t like Jackson. I don’t think his game translates well. Bakers may not either but he offers way more in my opinion. 

I'll take, all the things said about Geno Smith for a 100, Alex.

 

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2 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

When does Blake Bortles, Allen Robinson, FA stud RB, or draft Saquan Barkley start becoming an option?  Or why is nobody willing to sing Jimmy G to a tender with a poison pill the 49ers can’t match if they have to go the route of franchise tag?  How is that any different then giving up multiple 1st rounders for a unproven hopefully he becomes a franchise QB to move up in the draft when Jimmy G has proven in 2 different offenses that he is a franchise QB NOW!  I mean honestly how has SF not already locked him up long term WTF are they waiting for, if that guy gets franchised I’m making an offer don’t care how many 1st rounders it costs me.

You think the Jags let Bortles go with the way he's been playing?  I know he threw 3 picks yesterday but otherwise he's been out playing anyone as of late. 

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Our offensive line has played poorly as a unit, but what exactly do you guys want to do in Free Agency.

1.  We arent getting rid of beachem because elite LTs are not available in FA and he has not played that poorly.

2.  We arent replacing Carpenter because he is good and not a huge cap hit - frankly we should look to extend him

3.  We just signed winters, so I dont see how would could replace him.

4.  Shell is a good young player on a cheap contract and again - there are no good RTs out there that are worth spending money on.

We desperately need to upgrade center and weston richburg is the best one out there, but he has some injury issues and has barely played this year.  Id rather draft a center in the second round who can start day 1.

As far as FA in general - I think we can afford to spend on 1/2 elite players.  If its cousins fine, then find a defensive player like Trumaine Johnson, Demarcus Lawerence or Ziggy Ansah.  If its not cousins, then Im happy to spend on Leveon Bell and the same defensive players, and then add a starting center in the 2nd round, along with a rookie QB, Enunwa and see what happens.

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12 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

No I’m mad that people still think Baker is actually an NFL top 5 1st round QB, but last year Pat Mahomes wasn’t seriously?  Baker Mayfield will be the biggest bust in the NFL man, all the heart, and intangibles in the world can’t make you a great NFL QB if your missing some really important sh*t like Mayfield is just go ask Tim Tebow.

What exactly is Baker missing?  Other then height, what is Mahomes showing that Baker cant?  A stronger arm?  Because (and I liked Mahomes as a prospect) he had a worse completion % and more ints then baker - so im not sure what makes him such a slam dunk prospect and baker is a "big bust"

Tebow was missing the ability to pass the football, which makes playing QB difficult.

 

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5 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I really like his accuracy, his release, his throwing motion in general. Baker has more to off than Tebow ever did. Tebow was a left handed QB with a slow wind up. I’ll take my chances with Baker rather than RG3 pt2. I don’t like Jackson. I don’t think his game translates well. Bakers may not either but he offers way more in my opinion. 

Dude RGIII would still be running the 40 after Lamar Jackson finished it twice, their is no comparison between him, and RGIII.  Only comparison talent wise to Jackson is Vick, and Jackson has everything off the field, and in the film room, and all the other stuff you look for inside the locker room, and during the offseason, and week to week preparations that you look for in a franchise QB something Vick NEVER did, but still went out, and dominated week to week on pure talent imagine if he actually put in the work that’s what Jackson could be if he is handled properly like Vick was giving him 3-4 years of the old Atlanta Offense that has 3 100 yard rushers in Vick, Dunn, and Alstot before asking him to become a true pocket passing QB using his legs only when necessary.

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6 minutes ago, JiF said:

You think the Jags let Bortles go with the way he's been playing?  I know he threw 3 picks yesterday but otherwise he's been out playing anyone as of late. 

I think yes it’s a possibility IF they can get Eli, they would be very similar in cost.

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14 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Who the **** is your true #1 WR here?  Landry is a slot specialist, Robbie is a great deep threat, but not a true #1, and both Kearse, and Enunwa are good, but more like #3 WR’s.  Go get Allen Robinson instead who is a true outside #1 WR forget Landry.

Allen Robinson has sticks of butter for hands & is coming back from an ACL, no thanks! 

You don't need a #1 WR when you have a great RB, and 2 WRs as versatile as Landry & Enunwa. Anderson is your pseudo speed guy that safeties need to check. Enunwa is fantastic at playing at TE, slot, ect. Landry gets better every year and can dominate if you spread the field. Kearse is excellent at finding openings in zones ect.

Keep in mind this is a scenario that involves Cousins at QB. Landry single handedly dominated us in Miami, plays very well against New England & has the cockiness this team needs. Cousins is the type of QB who can get through progressions quickly. Do you realize how difficult it would be to defend the Jets with an offensive lineup like this? I can tell you with certainty that 3rd & shorts will be very difficult to defend as both Landry & Enunwa are excellent at using their bodies to ward off defenders behind them. 

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3 minutes ago, BCJet said:

What exactly is Baker missing?  Other then height, what is Mahomes showing that Baker cant?  A stronger arm?  Because (and I liked Mahomes as a prospect) he had a worse completion % and more ints then baker - so im not sure what makes him such a slam dunk prospect and baker is a "big bust"

Tebow was missing the ability to pass the football, which makes playing QB difficult.

 

First off forget college stats, put Mahomes on Oklahoma the last 2 years he has 2 Heismans, and possibly one NC already gong for #2.  Mayfield is 5’11” tall, has never been pressured in his life, bails on the pocket when their is no need to because his OL can block for 30 seconds if they need to, Baker Can’t, and I mean Can’t throw the ball outside the numbers from the pocket, and NEVER will be able to period, Bill Belichek will basically laugh Baker off the field every time he plays him clogging the middle of the field while containing him in the pocket daring him to throw the ball outside the numbers while we watch sack after sack because Baker hold on to the ball to long, it picks most likely pick 6’s as Baker try’s to throw it outside the numbers, but can’t.

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