Drafting Ohio St players

[Pointdexter]

Is there a worse school of busts and head cases?

Zeke Elliott - head case. woman beater and extremely immature. Good player though.

Eli Apple - head case. His own teammates are literally calling him a cancer. Never even seen that before.

Devin Smith - complete NFL bust. Couldn't hold up.

Vernon Gholston - complete bust, although he was from a different era there.

Darron Lee - head case. Extremely immature at best and woman beater at worst. Definitely hasn't merited the 1st rd investment. 

Santanio Holmes - head case. one of the all-time worst Jets cancers.

Maurice Clarrett - head case. an all-time bust and knucklehead. 

 

Dear Macc, please just avoid Ohio State players. With that said, I know you will probably draft a couple more of these head cases this year, at a non premium position, and call it a big win when you do, in the process passing on potential franchise QBs, and telling jets fans and media that you can't believe the top guy on your board fell right into your lap because all those other suckers drafted QBs.

[MDL_JET]

5 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Is there a worse school of busts and head cases?

Zeke Elliott - head case. woman beater and extremely immature. Good player though.

Eli Apple - hwas case. His own teammates are literally calling him a cancer. Never even seen that before.

Devin Smith - complete NFL bust. Couldn't hold up.

Vernon Gholston - complete bust, although he was from a different era there.

Darron Lee - head case. Extremely immature at best and woman beater at worst. Definitely hasn't merited the 1st rd investment. 

Santanio Holmes - head case. one of the all-time worst Jets cancers.

Maurice Clarrett - head case. an all-time bust and knucklehead. 

Dear Macc, please just avoid Ohio State players. With that said, I know you will probably draft a couple more of these head cases this year, at a non premium position, and call it a big win when you do, in the process passing on potential franchise QBs, and telling jets fans and media that you can't believe the top guy on your board fell right into your lap because all those other suckers drafted QBs.

You're picking the wrong school to avoid...that's a handful out of how many successful talented guys?

[JiFtheOracle]

Nick Mangold was pretty cool around these parts. 

[Matt39]

I’d say it’s more the person than the school. I doubt the Saints care about Lattimore being from OSU or Bosa with the Chargers.

[Pointdexter]

1 minute ago, MDL_JET said:

You're picking the wrong school to avoid...that's a handful out of how many successful talented guys?

Wrong. Apple, Zeke, and Lee all drafted in the last two seasons in rd 1. They all have serious mental/emotional problems.

The Jets alone have whiffed on Lee, Devin Smith, and Gholston.  Besides Mangold when is the last great Ohio St Jet?

[Pointdexter]

5 minutes ago, JiF said:

Nick Mangold was pretty cool around these parts. 

You cherry picked one. I gave you four the jets selected that were busts. I would say those are bad odds.

[JoJoTownsell1]

Joey Bossa and Michael Thomas are pretty damn good players. Every school  has  their share of busts. I am a Penn State fan and I still have Blair Thomas and Kyle Brady flashbacks but that wouldn't stop me from drafting Saquon Barkley. 

[Pointdexter]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I’d say it’s more the person than the school. I doubt the Saints care about Lattimore being from OSU or Bosa with the Chargers.

Urban Meyer is well known for recruiting head case kids, keeping their indiscretions secret while at school, and instilling zero discipline. It blew up in his face at UF.  He literally faked an illness to leave that school because the program/players were out of control. 

[Pointdexter]

1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Joey Bossa and Michael Thomas are pretty damn good players. Every school  has  their share of busts. I am a Penn State fan and I still have Blair Thomas and Kyle Brady flashbacks but that wouldn't stop me from drafting Saquon Barkley. 

So show me a school that has as many recent head cases. Of course they won't all be like that, but the percentage of these kids from osu are way higher than other school currently.

[TuscanyTile2]

7 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Urban Meyer is well known for recruiting head case kids, keeping their indiscretions secret while at school, and instilling zero discipline. It blew up in his face at UF.  He literally faked an illness to leave that school because the program/players were out of control. 

I had heard that rumor that he faked the illness but I hadn't heard that it was because the program was out of control.  Interesting.

[JoJoTownsell1]

6 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

So show me a school that has as many recent head cases. Of course they won't all be like that, but the percentage of these kids from osu are way higher than other school currently.

LSU recently has Odell Beckham and Leonard Fournette. Fournette was already deactivated for a game for being a knucklehead. 

I don't think it's an OSU problem, it's just a modern day athlete problem. The key is for teams to do a  better job vetting players.

[Pointdexter]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

I had heard that rumor that he faked the illness but I hadn't heard that it was because the program was out of control.  Interesting.

It really is fascinating. UF fans hate him, which is unprecedented for a coach who won that school two national titles.

Percy Harvin allegedly punched a coach and threw workout weights at another. Never missed a game. 

[Matt39]

12 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Urban Meyer is well known for recruiting head case kids, keeping their indiscretions secret while at school, and instilling zero discipline. It blew up in his face at UF.  He literally faked an illness to leave that school because the program/players were out of control. 

I dont disagree with you there. But that's not Urbans fault- it's the Jets fault for not weeding that out in the interviews. Wasn't Lee's mom his agent through the draft process? That probably should have been enough to cross him off.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

It really is fascinating. UF fans hate him, which is unprecedented for a coach who won that school two national titles.

Percy Harvin allegedly punched a coach and threw workout weights at another. Never missed a game. 

I hadn't heard that either and am definitely surprised to hear it.  Something very weird was up there.  I would've guessed they would be on probation after he left but I guess not.  In any case, they haven't had much success since he left the program.  Maybe they tried to clean things up and it was a transition period (which caused the losing).

[Pointdexter]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

I dont disagree with you there. But that's not Urbans fault- it's the Jets fault for not weeding that out in the interviews. Wasn't Lee's mom his agent through the draft process? That probably should have been enough to cross him off.

Completely agree with this. I just don't trust macc to weed out the high number of osu knuckleheads. Lee is a great example of this.

[JiFtheOracle]

35 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

You cherry picked one. I gave you four the jets selected that were busts. I would say those are bad odds.

It was a simple example of, the rule doesn't apply to all prospects just because they came for OSU.

Before injury, Ryan Shazier was one of the best LB'er in Football.  Michael Thomas is a monster. Tedd Ginn Jr. is still making plays.  Joey Bosa is a beast.  Hooker was looking very good before injury.  Marshon Lattimore might be the DROY. Bradley Roby is a solid corner.  Cam Heyward is a monster. Kurt Coleman is very good. Malcom Jenkins is still making game changing plays. AJ Hawk had a great career.  

You could do this same exercise with Bama and many other teams as well. 

 

31 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Urban Meyer is well known for recruiting head case kids, keeping their indiscretions secret while at school, and instilling zero discipline. It blew up in his face at UF.  He literally faked an illness to leave that school because the program/players were out of control. 

Those Florida teams were loaded with NFL talent.  

And this isn't exactly true.  The real reason Urban quit on Florida wasn't because the players were out of control (most of the nut jobs had gone to the NFL at that point) it was because he didn't want to have to play in the SEC anymore without Tim Tebow.  The fact he had to face a gauntlet year after year playing an SEC schedule was too stressful.  The fact he couldn't go undefeated was killing him.  He wanted the easier route to National Championships and Ohio St. was the perfect place for him. His biggest competition is Wisconsin.

He all but admitted this too. 

[JiFtheOracle]

16 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I had heard that rumor that he faked the illness but I hadn't heard that it was because the program was out of control.  Interesting.

That's because it's not true.  He was admitted to the Hospital at one point during his tenure and it wasn't because the program was out of control.  You didnt even hear about any of this stuff until after he left. 

See above for the real reason he left.

[The Crusher]

7 hours ago, JiF said:

Nick Mangold was pretty cool around these parts. 

Yeah, but I  thought it was weird that he shaved his beard and posed as a girl to compete in the olympics. Solid player though. 

[ZachEY]

34 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Besides Mangold when is the last great Ohio St Jet?

I mean, when you narrow the field to "Great Jet," you're not giving us much of a sample to work with.

[JiFtheOracle]

13 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

It really is fascinating. UF fans hate him, which is unprecedented for a coach who won that school two national titles.

Percy Harvin allegedly punched a coach and threw workout weights at another. Never missed a game. 

Meh, most of us hate him because of how he left the program and because he never really fully integrated himself with the school.  The back and forth on if he wanted to coach or not was bull sh*t and it ultimately screwed us out of guys that could have taken over the reigns that were already part of the program: Charlie Strong and Dan Mullen for example. 

Percy Harvin missed a ton of games.   Although I don't think he was ever suspended for punching the coach because it coincided with a suspension for failing a drug test. 

Urban covered up a sh*t ton when he was at Florida but lets not get the stories twisted.

[Matt39]

Last great Alabama Jet- Namath?

[kmnj]

to me nothing is worse then hearing the jets select from PSU..... blair thomas-major bust-kyle brady even though ALL of the fans were screaming for Sapp and let us not forget Hack who is so awful it appears Bowles will not let play even in a game that amounts to a scrimmage this week -maybe Mac gave him orders saying he is so bad dont let him see the field until after I am brought back-dont want to be judged on how awful a pick it really was

 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

26 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Last great Alabama Jet- Namath?

Yo but check Stewart on the end around...

[Pointdexter]

29 minutes ago, JiF said:

Meh, most of us hate him because of how he left the program and because he never really fully integrated himself with the school.  The back and forth on if he wanted to coach or not was bull sh*t and it ultimately screwed us out of guys that could have taken over the reigns that were already part of the program: Charlie Strong and Dan Mullen for example. 

Percy Harvin missed a ton of games.   Although I don't think he was ever suspended for punching the coach because it coincided with a suspension for failing a drug test. 

Urban covered up a sh*t ton when he was at Florida but lets not get the stories twisted.

Correct. The ire of UF fans come from how urban left and the bs reason he gave for leaving. The stress, I believe, was not because of the sec gauntlet, as stated above. I believe it was because the "family" was so dysfunctional at the time. Players constantly on the police blotter, poor attitudes, poor leadership, unhappy coaches etc. Tebow's leadership inarguably masked a lot of problems and kept things together. His graduating was huge. Then It was no longer fun for urban. So he skipped town with zero dignity.

Amazingly, Urban seems to have learned little from his UF implosion with regard to how he's running Ohio State. 

[JiFtheOracle]

18 minutes ago, Pointdexter said:

Correct. The ire of UF fans come from how urban left and the bs reason he gave for leaving. The stress, I believe, was not because of the sec gauntlet, as stated above. I believe it was because the "family" was so dysfunctional at the time. Players constantly on the police blotter, poor attitudes, poor leadership, unhappy coaches etc. Tebow's leadership inarguably masked a lot of problems and kept things together. His graduating was huge. Then It was no longer fun for urban. So he skipped town with zero dignity.

Amazingly, Urban seems to have learned little from his UF implosion with regard to how he's running Ohio State. 

I'm sure it was a combo of both.  But the whole implosion started when they lost to Bama in the SEC Champ game and didn't go undefeated Tebow's senior year. He'll tell the story, he couldn't sleep, was taking sleeping meds, it was driving him crazy.  And he was recruiting an hour after the game ended because the Florida recruiting trail was so competitive.  He was obsessed with going undefeated and he knew he could at OSU (which has zero competition in the state of Ohio)...and guess what he did his very first season at OSU?  Go undefeated. 

Urban's weird dude but he can coach some damn Football. 

[kelly]

Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer 

Jets LB Darron Lee played with Eli Apple at Ohio State, so he knows the troubled Giants cornerback better than most. "Eli was a great teammate," Lee said. "That's all I've got to say on that subject. He's a great teammate to me, so I can't speak for anything going on right now." Apple, called a "cancer" by teammate Landon Collins, was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team.

>     http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

[Philc1]

Zeke led the nfl in rushing as a rookie and would have this year if it wasn’t for a suspension so he’s not a great example

[Philc1]

5 minutes ago, kelly said:

Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer 

Jets LB Darron Lee played with Eli Apple at Ohio State, so he knows the troubled Giants cornerback better than most. "Eli was a great teammate," Lee said. "That's all I've got to say on that subject. He's a great teammate to me, so I can't speak for anything going on right now." Apple, called a "cancer" by teammate Landon Collins, was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team.

>     http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

Both suck in coverage and both played at the Ohio St

[CanadaSteve]

On 12/27/2017 at 9:43 AM, Pointdexter said:

You cherry picked one. I gave you four the jets selected that were busts. I would say those are bad odds.

Is THIS cherry-picking?

Howard Cassady

Mike Doss

Eddie George

Archie Griffin

Rex Kern

Chris Spielman

Jack Tatum

Orlando Pace

Terry Glenn

David Boston

LeCharles Bentley

Bobby Hoying

Jim Marshal

Ahmed Plummer

James Laurinaitis

Joey Gallaway

Pepper Johnson

Cameron Heyward

Will Smith

Mike Vrabel

Dan Wilkerson

Shawn Springs

Antoine Winfield

Ted Ginn Jr.

Tom Cousineau

Chris Carter

Jim Otis

Randy Gradishar

A.J. Hawk

Keith Byars

Les Horvath

Joey Bosa

 

[Stark]

On 12/27/2017 at 8:43 AM, Pointdexter said:

You cherry picked one. I gave you four the jets selected that were busts. I would say those are bad odds.

You actually only gave 3 the JeTs selected. Ghost true bust. Lee is underperforming his 20th draft selection. Devin Smith injured and cut. 

I assume the 4th you mention is Holmes and he was fine on the field and we traded for him after he had proven to be a good WR and we were trying to make the SB push.  

I think your thread is a little off base but it’s your opinion and I get that, but I disagree that you listed 4 busts that we have taken. Also your statement that some of the guys have serious mental issues, I guess you could be right, but more likely they are immature acts by young professionals that have or had been coddled too much due to their on field talent. 

[peebag]

On 12/27/2017 at 8:42 AM, Pointdexter said:

Wrong. Apple, Zeke, and Lee all drafted in the last two seasons in rd 1. They all have serious mental/emotional problems.

The Jets alone have whiffed on Lee, Devin Smith, and Gholston.  Besides Mangold when is the last great Ohio St Jet?

You really are a Poindexter

[kelly]

44 minutes ago, peebag said:

You really are a Poindexter

[kelly]

[RoadFan]

I have made this point too in the past.  I would stay away from Buckeyes.  They produce some good ones, but the Jets only draft the crap. 

Honestly, I wonder about the Jets scouting budget.  Seems like they mostly draft from big schools.  

[k-met57]

dumbest thing i ever heard...Zeke is maybe the top RB in football, Bosa is a beast, Santonio was a SB MVP and a damn good receiver (also wasnt a high pick), Lee is not a scumbag that you are making him out to be and has the potential to be a big time player for us, Lattimore is going to win ROY, etc... etc... dumb.