What coaches are getting pink slips?

[Jetster]

Could be another wild & whooly black Monday coming up. Pegano? Gone. Fox? Gone, Marvin Lewis? Gone, Spagnolo? Gone, Bruce Ariens? Gone, Gruden?, Hue Jackson?, Del Rio?, Dirk Koetter? Vance Joseph? Bill Obrien?

Its actually crazy how many vacancies there could be. I see both McDaniels & Patricia in the mix for head coaching jobs in 2018. Brady turning 41 & another coaching turmoil in New England could be good for the Jets. 

[Philc1]

I doubt Del Rio gets canned the raiders had injuries this year

[Philc1]

McDaniels is a hack him leaving will affect Brady 0.0

[UnitedWhofans]

HUe Jackson thinks he's staying because that is what Jimmy Haslam said

[Larz]

44 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Could be another wild & whooly black Monday coming up. Pegano? Gone. Fox? Gone, Marvin Lewis? Gone, Spagnolo? Gone, Bruce Ariens? Gone, Gruden?, Hue Jackson?, Del Rio?, Dirk Koetter? Vance Joseph? Bill Obrien?

Its actually crazy how many vacancies there could be. I see both McDaniels & Patricia in the mix for head coaching jobs in 2018. Brady turning 41 & another coaching turmoil in New England could be good for the Jets. 

McDaniels was exposed already, he will never leave cheat town 

[TuscanyTile2]

54 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Could be another wild & whooly black Monday coming up. Pegano? Gone. Fox? Gone, Marvin Lewis? Gone, Spagnolo? Gone, Bruce Ariens? Gone, Gruden?, Hue Jackson?, Del Rio?, Dirk Koetter? Vance Joseph? Bill Obrien?

Its actually crazy how many vacancies there could be. I see both McDaniels & Patricia in the mix for head coaching jobs in 2018. Brady turning 41 & another coaching turmoil in New England could be good for the Jets. 

Of all of those, the only ones I think have HC value are: Bill O'Brien and possibly Bruce Arians.

 

[The Walrus]

IMO,

Del Rio should be fine.

Gruden is on the bubble, up to Wash. to decide if he's already at his genetic potential or not.

O'Brien might get a pass because of losing his starting QB, Watt and other injuries.

Vance Joseph might survive for 1 more year if Elway thinks changing HC yet again is not cool. Elway needs to be careful Denver doesn't become a joke in an awful hurry.

The rest are gone.

And I think either McDaniels or Patricia like the idea of being the next HC of NE, one day.

[Patriot Killa]

They are going to steal Matt Nagy from us because we decide to keep Bowles.

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said:

HUe Jackson thinks he's staying because that is what Jimmy Haslam said

It's also what his GM said.

[Jetster]

13 hours ago, Larz said:

McDaniels was exposed already, he will never leave cheat town 

Disagree whole heartedly. He's going to be at the top of someone's list. There will be too many vacancies & not enough coaches to fill them. Del Rio is horrific, similar to Bowles, shocked his has a job in this league. Just look at the Jaguars now with good leadership.

[nyjunc]

14 hours ago, Jetster said:

Could be another wild & whooly black Monday coming up. Pegano? Gone. Fox? Gone, Marvin Lewis? Gone, Spagnolo? Gone, Bruce Ariens? Gone, Gruden?, Hue Jackson?, Del Rio?, Dirk Koetter? Vance Joseph? Bill Obrien?

Its actually crazy how many vacancies there could be. I see both McDaniels & Patricia in the mix for head coaching jobs in 2018. Brady turning 41 & another coaching turmoil in New England could be good for the Jets. 

ever notice how none of the NE assistants are very good when they leave NE? ever notice how Belichick was a failure of a HC before Brady?  I wouldn't touch any of the NE assistants if I was hiring a HC.  The only thing that will eventually end the Pats dynasty is Brady will eventually have to decline b/c of age.  whether that has started, will start next year or 5 yrs from now it will happen. let's just be thankful BB traded away Garropolo.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Disagree whole heartedly. He's going to be at the top of someone's list. There will be too many vacancies & not enough coaches to fill them. Del Rio is horrific, similar to Bowles, shocked his has a job in this league. Just look at the Jaguars now with good leadership.

Bradley was the last coach in Jax, Del Rio was the last coach to lead Jax to the playoffs.  He's better than Bowles but he's not a great coach.

McDaniels will get one more shot, if he fails again he will be a career coordinator.

[Jetster]

Just now, nyjunc said:

ever notice how none of the NE assistants are very good when they leave NE? ever notice how Belichick was a failure of a HC before Brady?  I wouldn't touch any of the NE assistants if I was hiring a HC.  The only thing that will eventually end the Pats dynasty is Brady will eventually have to decline b/c of age.  whether that has started, will start next year or 5 yrs from now it will happen. let's just be thankful BB traded away Garropolo.

Patricia has done a tremendous job with that Pats defense. They had a rough start, lost Hightower, he's proved he can coach defensive circles around our own Bowles/Rodgers duo.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Patricia has done a tremendous job with that Pats defense. They had a rough start, lost Hightower, he's proved he can coach defensive circles around our own Bowles/Rodgers duo.

The Pats D's are always overrated, NE wins b/c of Brady.  Patricia will get a shot to become HC and we'll see if he can handle it.

[MaxAF]

15 hours ago, Jetster said:

Could be another wild & whooly black Monday coming up. Pegano? Gone. Fox? Gone, Marvin Lewis? Gone, Spagnolo? Gone, Bruce Ariens? Gone, Gruden?, Hue Jackson?, Del Rio?, Dirk Koetter? Vance Joseph? Bill Obrien?

Its actually crazy how many vacancies there could be. I see both McDaniels & Patricia in the mix for head coaching jobs in 2018. Brady turning 41 & another coaching turmoil in New England could be good for the Jets. 

I didn't see Bowles on the list. So you think he's safe??

[Jetster]

5 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

I didn't see Bowles on the list. So you think he's safe??

Unfortunately yes & here's the reason. The medias ridiculous assessment of the Jets going 0-16 before the season started has made 5 wins appear to be a f*cking miracle. It was a false narrative to begin with. What we should be looking at his Bowles road record. This teams road record is abysmal & anyone who witnessed their win in Cleveland knows deep down had their backup QB started that game instead of Kizer, that would have been the Brownies only win this year. Browns twice, Bills, 49ers, Giants (basically a home game). The only road wins for Bowles Jets career. Bowles is TERRIBLE and similar to Rex, he'll be gone after 2019 & we start all over again. This franchise learns nothing from past history.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, Jetster said:

Patricia has done a tremendous job with that Pats defense. They had a rough start, lost Hightower, he's proved he can coach defensive circles around our own Bowles/Rodgers duo.

I hear what you're saying but I don't think there's been any Belichick disciples who were successful HCs.  Plus BB is a defensive guy (at least being a DC is s his background - I'm sure he'd be a great OC too) so I'm sure he's helping Patricia along every step of the way.  I definitely do see McDaniels getting another shot at a HC next year though.  There are going to be so many openings that someone will give him a tempting enough offer to leave.

[nyjunc]

17 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Unfortunately yes & here's the reason. The medias ridiculous assessment of the Jets going 0-16 before the season started has made 5 wins appear to be a f*cking miracle. It was a false narrative to begin with. What we should be looking at his Bowles road record. This teams road record is abysmal & anyone who witnessed their win in Cleveland knows deep down had their backup QB started that game instead of Kizer, that would have been the Brownies only win this year. Browns twice, Bills, 49ers, Giants (basically a home game). The only road wins for Bowles Jets career. Bowles is TERRIBLE and similar to Rex, he'll be gone after 2019 & we start all over again. This franchise learns nothing from past history.

excellent post, if you can't win on the road you can't be successful.  You don't have to go 7-1 but you have to be around .500 in most years.  let's look at our road wins:

2015:

at Indy: 20-7 win, looked great at the time but Indy finished 8-8 and out of the playoffs and had been crushed by rex and Buf a week earlier.

at Miami(London): wasn't a real road game, neutral site

at NYG(in our stadium): Eli basically handed us that game after we gave up a STs TD and Beckham took a short pass for a long TD.  NYG and Eli were horrible that year

at Dal: beat Matt Cassell and Kellen Moore for 4-12 Cowboys

4-4 looks good but it's basically 2 real road games and when we needed one win to make the playoffs against a mediocre, beat up Bills team in Orchard Park the team didn't even show up.

2016:

of course we beat the Bills when it didn't mean anything.

at 1-15 Cle we barely beat them needing a 2nd half comeback

at SF and their awful QB where we again needed a comeback and OT

 

2017:

at Cle: we barely survived against what will be an 0-16 team

 

8 road wins in 3 years w/ 1 being in our stadium, 1 being in London so 6 real road wins in 3 years and not one quality team did we beat.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I hear what you're saying but I don't think there's been any Belichick disciples who were successful HCs.  Plus BB is a defensive guy (at least being a DC is s his background - I'm sure he'd be a great OC too) so I'm sure he's helping Patricia along every step of the way.  I definitely do see McDaniels getting another shot at a HC next year though.  There are going to be so many openings that someone will give him a tempting enough offer to leave.

BB was a "great" Dc when he had the greatest defensive player of all time in LT, he's been a "great" HC when he has had the greatest QB of all time.

His record as a D coach w/o LT is average, his record as a HC w/o Brady is below average

 

[section314]

39 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

BB was a "great" Dc when he had the greatest defensive player of all time in LT, he's been a "great" HC when he has had the greatest QB of all time.

His record as a D coach w/o LT is average, his record as a HC w/o Brady is below average

 

But he DID win with these players. As you well know, having great talent is both a blessing and a curse for a coach. You are expected to win. Look no further than your beloved UNC Tarheels and their great coach Dean Smith. For years, being able to hand pick the greatest talent in the country, guys like Billy C, Charlie Scott, Phil Ford,Mike O'Koren and Mitch Kupchak, but not being able to get over the hump until Michael came along, did that lessen his greatness  as a coach? Of course not. He is one of the 5 greatest ever, in my opinion, and depending on what day of the week it is, he is the best. You can criticize BB for lots of things, but not for winning with great players. It's not as easy as you think.

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, section314 said:

But he DID win with these players. As you well know, having great talent is both a blessing and a curse for a coach. You are expected to win. Look no further than your beloved UNC Tarheels and their great coach Dean Smith. For years, being able to hand pick the greatest talent in the country, guys like Billy C, Charlie Scott, Phil Ford,Mike O'Koren and Mitch Kupchak, but not being able to get over the hump until Michael came along, did that lessen his greatness  as a coach? Of course not. He is one of the 5 greatest ever, in my opinion, and depending on what day of the week it is, he is the best. You can criticize BB for lots of things, but not for winning with great players. It's not as easy as you think.

Dean was in the FF a million times and that was back when 1 team per conference made the NCAA Tourney plus had some tough injury years..  If he was like Wooden pre Sam Gilbert paying for talent then I'd agree.  He also lost guys early before anyone else, he'd have 3-4 more titles if he didn't recommend certain players(like Jordan) leave early and if certain players(Ford, Smith, Phelps, Wallace,etc...) didn't get hurt at Tourney time.

BB has developed into a great coach and there aren't any people that know this game better BUT being a great HC is about more than X's and O's.  Every coach needs great players but great coaches can at least compete w/o the best.  Parcells won a SB w/ a backup QB, Gibbs won 3 SBs w/ 3 diff QBs, Shula made a SB w/ David Woodley, etc... BB has never even made a title game w/o Brady, he has 1 playoff win w/o him and only 1 PO app w/ohim in 7 seasons./

[Philc1]

16 hours ago, Larz said:

McDaniels was exposed already, he will never leave cheat town 

Some idiot team will give him another shot probably Cleveland 

[Philc1]

2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

ever notice how none of the NE assistants are very good when they leave NE? ever notice how Belichick was a failure of a HC before Brady?  I wouldn't touch any of the NE assistants if I was hiring a HC.  The only thing that will eventually end the Pats dynasty is Brady will eventually have to decline b/c of age.  whether that has started, will start next year or 5 yrs from now it will happen. let's just be thankful BB traded away Garropolo.

Patricia I actually think would be a good head coach

[Philc1]

2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

The Pats D's are always overrated, NE wins b/c of Brady.  Patricia will get a shot to become HC and we'll see if he can handle it.

The Pats D has average talent at best

[JiFtheOracle]

I don't think it will be as bloody as most think. 

We know Marvin Lewis.  I think Fox, Koetter and Pagano are safe bets.  

Jackson got a vote of confidence.  I don't see Jack getting the axe for 1 bad season.  Vance Joseph is a maybe but does Elway give up on him after 1 season?  They don't have a QB and that's on Elway.  

Arians claims the rumors are false.  

Is there any validity behind O'Brien rumors?

IDK - I don't think it's that bad.  4-5 maybe?  Pretty typical, no? 

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Patricia I actually think would be a good head coach

maybe, we'll see.  I would just be skeptical of any BB assistants as none have had any real success(outside of O'Brien winning a bad division w/ very talented Texan teams)

1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

The Pats D has average talent at best

Isn't BB in charge of personnel?

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

I don't think it will be as bloody as most think. 

We know Marvin Lewis.  I think Fox, Koetter and Pagano are safe bets.  

Jackson got a vote of confidence.  I don't see Jack getting the axe for 1 bad season.  Vance Joseph is a maybe but does Elway give up on him after 1 season?  They don't have a QB and that's on Elway.  

Arians claims the rumors are false.  

Is there any validity behind O'Brien rumors?

IDK - I don't think it's that bad.  4-5 maybe?  Pretty typical, no? 

I don't think Hue is safe, 2 years w/ 1 win? if the new Gm has any power Hue will be gone

Arians claims the rumors are false, that means nothing.

The Giants will have a new HC

Del Rio could be gone

I don't know if Gruden is safe(rumors are Cincy would like Gruden- Jay)

I think we will see more than 5, probably around 8.

 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I don't think Hue is safe, 2 years w/ 1 win? if the new Gm has any power Hue will be gone

Arians claims the rumors are false, that means nothing.

The Giants will have a new HC

Del Rio could be gone

I don't know if Gruden is safe(rumors are Cincy would like Gruden- Jay)

I think we will see more than 5, probably around 8.

 

 

I thought Dorsey gave Hue a vote of confidence, no?

Arians claims the rumors are false means just as much as the rumors he's leaving, no?

The Giants I forgot.

Del Rio? Nah.

Gruden? Nah.

But I have no clue.  Just taking shots in the dark. 

 

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

I thought Dorsey gave Hue a vote of confidence, no?

Arians claims the rumors are false means just as much as the rumors he's leaving, no?

The Giants I forgot.

Del Rio? Nah.

Gruden? Nah.

But I have no clue.  Just taking shots in the dark. 

 

I think ownership said Hue was coming back, after they complete this winless season I think they may re-evaluate.

none of us know for sure but usually where there's smoke there's fire this time of year. we'll see soon.

[Philc1]

10 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

maybe, we'll see.  I would just be skeptical of any BB assistants as none have had any real success(outside of O'Brien winning a bad division w/ very talented Texan teams)

Isn't BB in charge of personnel?

I get not liking Belichick assistants but I think Patricia is an exception just like I thought Garroplo was the real deal unlike Cassel, Mallet and Hoyer

[Philc1]

12 minutes ago, JiF said:

I don't think it will be as bloody as most think. 

We know Marvin Lewis.  I think Fox, Koetter and Pagano are safe bets.  

Jackson got a vote of confidence.  I don't see Jack getting the axe for 1 bad season.  Vance Joseph is a maybe but does Elway give up on him after 1 season?  They don't have a QB and that's on Elway.  

Arians claims the rumors are false.  

Is there any validity behind O'Brien rumors?

IDK - I don't think it's that bad.  4-5 maybe?  Pretty typical, no? 

If AZ is dumb enough to force out Arians and he still wants to coach you get him

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

I get not liking Belichick assistants but I think Patricia is an exception just like I thought Garroplo was the real deal unlike Cassel, Mallet and Hoyer

Cassell was pretty good before he got hurt, not as good as Jimmy but he did lead KC to a div title.

I thought Jimmy was the real deal too watching him those 2 games last year and he was a fairly high pick.  I was very happy NE traded him to SF.

 

as for Patricia, I have no idea if he will succeed as a HC.  NE's D's haven't impressed me under him and BB asst's haven't had success but that doesn't mean he won't.  we'll see what happens.

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

If AZ is dumb enough to force out Arians and he still wants to coach you get him

if we had Arians this season we'd be a playoff team or at the very least still alive week 17.

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

Cassell was pretty good before he got hurt, not as good as Jimmy but he did lead KC to a div title.

I thought Jimmy was the real deal too watching him those 2 games last year and he was a fairly high pick.  I was very happy NE traded him to SF.

 

as for Patricia, I have no idea if he will succeed as a HC.  NE's D's haven't impressed me under him and BB asst's haven't had success but that doesn't mean he won't.  we'll see what happens.

I never liked Cassel and knew he would be exposed royally as soon as he left Walker and Moss

[Philc1]

Just now, nyjunc said:

if we had Arians this season we'd be a playoff team or at the very least still alive week 17.

Arians would be our best HC since Parcells.  He would turn McGuire into David Johnson and even make Petty look semi decent