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5 minutes ago, KRL said:

Kurt Benkert (Virginia) against Navy

Mason Rudolph (OK State) against Va. Tech

Luke Falk (Wash State) against Mich State

All three of them are also going to be playing in the Senior Bowl

So, in other words, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg, and Josh McCown.

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22 minutes ago, Dr Evil said:

Some people are very high on Rudolph, what do you guys think? Is tonight's game very important for his stock?

Rudolph is a very interesting prospect with prototypical size, a strong accurate arm and solid mechanics. On the down side he has only average mobility, pocket awareness and tends to stare down his primary receiver, seldom going through progressions. He does have the physical tools, so that if he is lucky enough to get competent coaching and a patient NFL franchise, he could be a good NFL QB some day IMO. He is NOT a savior or start right away type.

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4 hours ago, Dr Evil said:

Some people are very high on Rudolph, what do you guys think? Is tonight's game very important for his stock?

Sometimes you see him and just think ‘meh’ and then there are other times you think,’yeah’

I’m struggling to see why so many are down on him as much as they are but then i’m Just a bloke with a keyboard so I’ll just have to trust the scouts. I think the senior bowl and postseason will be huge for him.

Watched his cactus bowl tape the other day, very early on in his career I think and I thought he looked terrific. Then I watch him from this year and i’m a bit underwhelmed . Every year there are guys that get over analysed and then when they turn into solid to excellent pro’s everyone wonders what they missed.

Biggest knocks appear to be the offense Mike Gundy runs and that his WR’s are supposedly so great that they make him look better,I feel like both those criticisms are harsh, Mayfield has quality targets too but that never really gets mentioned in his analysis, and just because a guy isn’t running a pro offense doesn’t mean he can’t(see Rodgers, Aaron)

If you are a disciple of the Parcells rules then he ticks about every box

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5 hours ago, KRL said:

Kurt Benkert (Virginia) against Navy

Mason Rudolph (OK State) against Va. Tech

Luke Falk (Wash State) against Mich State

All three of them are also going to be playing in the Senior Bowl

Early draft profiles.

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Mason Rudolph   QB   Oklahoma St

TALENT
ROUND 		1

STRENGTHS
Mason has the size and arm strength the NFL is looking for in a franchise quarterback. He reminds me of Arizona Cardinals Carson Palmer and Baltimore Ravens Joe Flacco. He throws the deep ball with excellent accuracy and velocity. Mason has the arm strength to fit the ball in tight spots and his touch on the short and intermediate passes is as good as any quarterback in the college or pro ranks. His size and arm talent gives Mason the potential to be a starting quarterback with the potential to be a franchise quarterback the kind that opens up the running game with his passing accuracy and arm strength. Mason has the athletic talent and size to extend plays and make first downs running the ball but what he truly brings to the team that selects him is the arm talent most quarterbacks are missing.

CONCERNS
Although Mason has the potential to be a franchise quarterback that will never happen unless he learns how to better deal with pressure in the pocket. Right now he lacks the instincts to manipulate the pocket and feel pressure and he does lose accuracy under pressure, throwing the ball high when he is forced out of the pocket or has to move his feet. Throwing the ball high leads to tip balls and interceptions and that is a problem. Under adverse game situations Mason seems to lack confidence in his play and that is a big problem but as he matures and with smart play calling this lack of confidence can be masked but not totally corrected. That being said, give this kid a clean pocket and time in the pocket and he will break down the defense with surgical like accuracy.

BOTTOM LINE
Like I said Mason reminds me big time of Carson Palmer and like Carson, Mason’s talent to throw the deep ball with accuracy and velocity is unique and the reason it might be smart for teams looking for a starting quarterback to select him early in this draft. If Mason can develop better feel in the pocket and confidence in his own play he can become a franchise quarterback. But right now the talent around Mason makes him better and not the other way around like a true franchise quarterback who makes the talent around him better. For me personally, Mason is a boom or bust pick and his success will depend on the right team and coaches selecting him. I can see Mason moving up to be considered the top quarterback in this draft by some teams because arm talent like his doesn’t come along often in a draft despite his struggles with pressure in the pocket and lack of confidence in his play during adverse times in a game. Look at it this way, Carson Palmer has had a pretty good career and every year he gave the Bengals, Raiders and now Cardinals fan base the hope of a playoff and super bowl because of his arm talent. That being said, Carson has not really played up to a quarterback who was the very 1st pick in the 2003 Draft because he has always struggled dealing in a muddle pocket and struggled when the talent around him was not great. Mason Rudolph has Carson Palmer type of arm talent and team’s needing a quarterback will find that very hard to pass up but his problem with confidence and struggles being accurate and throwing from a muddle pocket could haunt him for his career and worse, show up in the most important games. 

Drew Boylhart   DEC 2017

 

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Luke Falk   QB   Washington St

TALENT
ROUND 		3

STRENGTHS
Luke has decent size and athletic talent to play his position. He shows a good strong arm with excellent velocity and has solid arm talent to be successful at the next level. Luke has a lot of reps in shot gun and a ton of stats and plays in an offensive system that requires football intelligence beyond the average college offensive system. He reminds me a lot of former Bills back up QB Frank Reich. He shows the athleticism to extend plays but is truly the type of quarterback that when he throws in rhythm can pick you a part with excellent accuracy. Luke has the respect of his teammates and shows solid leadership skills through his play on the field. He deals well with adversity and deals well with success and those attributes are so very important for any quarterback that has the talent to play on Sundays. Although Luke has played mostly in the shot gun in college I don’t see a problem with him being successful when playing under center because Luke is a pure pocket passer.

CONCERNS
Luke struggles with his instincts in the pocket, holding on to the ball too long and not moving around to gain better advantage. Luke also struggles once he is moved off his mark and lacks the quick feet when blitzed to adjust his throwing mechanics quickly enough and this affects his accuracy. On designed roll outs this is not a problem but the surprise blitz gives Luke a lot of problems with his throwing mechanics. In his defense, when he is blitz and is given the time to reset his feet he does a very good job delivering the ball and making plays in the passing game.

BOTTOM LINE
The truth is I don’t believe Luke belongs in a pure, every down spread offense. The fact that he has been successful in that offensive system is impressive but it puts too much pressure on him passing and Luke at the next level needs a good strong play action running game to be effective in a 16 game schedule. Luke is a very hard worker and will give you everything he has in every game. I don’t believe for a minute that Luke will ever stop trying to improve and this says a lot to me when evaluating and profiling players for the next level. Luke’s weaknesses can at times overpower his strengths causing him to be inconsistent unless he is matched up with a coach who is an excellent play caller and an offensive system that will protect him and allow him to throw in rhythm. If Luke can improve his ability to throw with accuracy when he is moved off his spot in the pocket then he can be as good as any other quarterback in the NFL. He has the football intelligence to improve and that might be the most important and best attribute Luke has to bring to the team that selects him. I like him as a development quarterback who in the right system and with a good play calling coach can become a starting and impact quarterback in the NFL. Luke will always be ready mentally to go into any game and play and this makes him an excellent candidate for a backup role. The problem is he is also the type of player who needs to practice and get reps with the first string players because he is such a rhythm throwing quarterback and that makes it difficult to throw him into a game in an injury situation and expect him to produce. 

Drew Boylhart   DEC.2017

 

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3 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

as a jet fan this scares the sh*t out of me. Geno and Sanchez calling card was lack of pocket awareness!

Just one profile...thoughts to ponder as we watch...I'm sure Macc has his own opinion and maybe he values arm strength more than pocket presence.  

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1 minute ago, k-met57 said:

that washington TD just now was exactly what i described...shotgun, fake hand off, stare down, fire...

That's fine with me. He obviously needs coaching, just like any other college QB. Which 1 of our QB's would make that throw? McCown? Maybe, but the other? Not so sure.

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2 minutes ago, Ken Shroy said:

That's fine with me. He obviously needs coaching, just like any other college QB. Which 1 of our QB's would make that throw? McCown? Maybe, but the other? Not so sure.

to be fair Hack made plenty of those throws when he had Allen Robinson...just like this kid has Washington.

 

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