SenorGato Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Do not know how I have missed it, but yeah this seems like a pretty obvious pair for the Jets. Throw in Seantrel Henderson from the Bills because **** them too and now the offense is rebuilt. If you’re worried about contracts - QB and RB version of the Wilkerson deal. Both have outs after the first two years - Cousins makes somewhere between 45-50 million those years, Bell pulls in 24-28, whatever it is. If you’re wondering why...Jets have the money, Cousins has been a target for years, and now he’s only available for money they have. Bell as a RB is destined to get totallynotcolluded on even moreso than usual but otherwise is a dominant talent still in his 20s. Henderson just seems like an interesting buy, haven’t really thought about what he’d make but not much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 The Steelers will probably just tag Bell again, and he'll holdout and show up 6 days before the regular season starts. The wild card is if Big Ben retires and then they go into rebuilding mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 16 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Do not know how I have missed it, but yeah this seems like a pretty obvious pair for the Jets. Throw in Seantrel Henderson from the Bills because **** them too and now the offense is rebuilt. If you’re worried about contracts - QB and RB version of the Wilkerson deal. Both have outs after the first two years - Cousins makes somewhere between 45-50 million those years, Bell pulls in 24-28, whatever it is. If you’re wondering why...Jets have the money, Cousins has been a target for years, and now he’s only available for money they have. Bell as a RB is destined to get totallynotcolluded on even moreso than usual but otherwise is a dominant talent still in his 20s. Henderson just seems like an interesting buy, haven’t really thought about what he’d make but not much. Bell grew up a Jets fan so that gets me all tingly inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 Oh and squeeze in Jonathan Cooper at G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Kirk Cousins + Ryan Jensen please. I want no part of Bell, he wants $15M per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 In all honesty though..this would be doing everything the way we said we wouldn’t go about doing it. This is the same way we always go about it and it puts us right back in the same spot a few years later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: Kirk Cousins + Ryan Jensen please. I want no part of Bell, he wants $15M per year. Jensen is a preferred FA as well! I wouldn’t sh*t my pants at a deal that basically comes out to 2 years and $30 million for Bell, but he probably doesn’t get $15 just as Cousins won’t get $30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: In all honesty though..this would be doing everything the way we said we wouldn’t go about doing it. This is the same way we always go about it and it puts us right back in the same spot a few years later... I didn’t agree to sh*t and they’ve literally never gone this route. AN established stud passer still in his 20s? The Jets? Maybe 50 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Jensen is a preferred FA as well! I wouldn’t sh*t my pants at a deal that basically comes out to 2 years and $30 million for Bell, but he probably doesn’t get $15 just as Cousins won’t get $30. That is so much money for a RB. That's nearly double what the #2 RB gets. Don't get me wrong he is a great back but you can find 80% of what he does for a 1/5 the price. 2nd round RB will get 4 years $7M total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, SenorGato said: I didn’t agree to sh*t and they’ve literally never gone this route. AN established stud passer still in his 20s? The Jets? Maybe 50 years ago When I say “we” I am meaning the organization and what they have been on record saying. And he will be 30 this year. And he hasn’t won a single playoff game..and his team has 6 wins this year. So yeah. 5,000 yards is pretty nice. But established? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 minute ago, bla bla bla said: That is so much money for a RB. That's nearly double what the #2 RB gets. Don't get me wrong he is a great back but you can find 80% of what he does for a 1/5 the price. 2nd round RB will get 4 years $7M total. Man there are stud RB’s coming out of each and every draft. sh*t is beyond dumb to pay Bell. Agreed. Dunno why anyone would want a FA back with that many miles on him. He totes the ball 25-30 times a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: That is so much money for a RB. That's nearly double what the #2 RB gets. Don't get me wrong he is a great back but you can find 80% of what he does for a 1/5 the price. 2nd round RB will get 4 years $7M total. Why would I waste an extremely valuable 2nd round pick on a RB when I can have an elite one in his prime for just money? It’s not even stopping me from drafting a RB or making any other worthwhile FA moves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just now, Patriot Killa said: When I say “we” I am meaning the organization and what they have been on record saying. And he will be 30 this year. And he hasn’t won a single playoff game..and his team has 6 wins this year. So yeah. 5,000 yards is pretty nice. But established? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Drew Brees started for 5 seasons before he got to his 2nd playoff game. We haven't had a franchise QB since Namath, I'm not nitpicking the 2 year age difference at a position that continues playing well into their late 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: When I say “we” I am meaning the organization and what they have been on record saying. The Jets haven’t said anything like you’re saying they said. Just no on the Cousins bit, he’s firmly established as a well above average NFL passer with long stretches of elite production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Why would I waste an extremely valuable 2nd round pick on a RB when I can have an elite one in his prime for just money? It’s not even stopping me from drafting a RB or making any other worthwhile FA moves! You want Cousins + a 1st round QB and you are concerned about wasting a 2nd round pick on a RB? I get that it is "just money" that excuse works with Cousins because of the position he plays. It's not easy to get a QB, it is easy to get above average production from a rookie RB. When you sign Cousins (assuming you want to resign some of our own guys) you can land 1 more elite talent. The +$12M you are spending on Bell could get us a starting CB or just $10M could get us the best center in FA, I'd prefer either of those and take my chances on the rookie RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 It’s Cousins AND Le’Veon Bell I'd rather have Keenum or Smith... I like Bell but I want NO part of Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 58 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: You want Cousins + a 1st round QB and you are concerned about wasting a 2nd round pick on a RB? Yes, that’s not even a little bit crazy. There’s no reason to use such a high pick on a RB unless that guy is a clear first round fallen out of the first like Dalvin Cook. 58 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: You want Cousins + a 1st round QB and you are concerned about wasting a 2nd round pick on a RB? I get that it is "just money" that excuse works with Cousins because of the position he plays. It's not easy to get a QB, it is easy to get above average production from a rookie RB. When you sign Cousins (assuming you want to resign some of our own guys) you can land 1 more elite talent. The +$12M you are spending on Bell could get us a starting CB or just $10M could get us the best center in FA, I'd prefer either of those and take my chances on the rookie RB. Name one single legitimately elite FA talent the Jets are missing out on by signing Bell. Trumaine Johnson? Fine, be ready to spend up $16.5-18 million per. Also its easy to get above average production out of RB works against your whole idea of throwing a 2nd round pick at the position. From there its more relatively easy compared to other more nuanced positions like QB/OL/DL/DB, but that doesnt mean its actually easy. Otherwise Bilal Powell might have gotten some promotion a half decade in. Further, Bell is not just above average but an elite player with the track record to back the claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 That would definitely be the Maccagnanest offseason possible, I’ll give you that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, dbatesman said: That would definitely be the Maccagnanest offseason possible, I’ll give you that Man you’d be souped as a mug if the Jets signed Cousins, Bell, and upgraded the OL before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Needs:- QB Oline (Center most). OLB RB CB Every thing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: That would definitely be the Maccagnanest offseason possible, I’ll give you that Yeah, but if you throw in giving up a 3rd and a 5th for Joe Haden, it balloons to full Tannenbaum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, SenorGato said: The Jets haven’t said anything like you’re saying they said. Just no on the Cousins bit, he’s firmly established as a well above average NFL passer with long stretches of elite production. Ah..but they did. They said they are building through the draft. They said they weren’t going to reload. They were going to rebuild. You are suggesting a reload with these moves. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hours ago, dbatesman said: That would definitely be the Maccagnanest offseason possible, I’ll give you that What's the other option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: What's the other option? I honestly have no idea. I was going to say “draft and develop our own players,” but then I just started laughing and shook my head ruefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 If cousins can't win in Washington, why do we think he would win here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Larz said: If cousins can't win in Washington, why do we think he would win here? Cousins hasn't had a losing record in a full season he's played and the fact that Wash can get to .500 this week is miraculous w/ what he has had to work with this season. He also did lead Wash to a div title. People are kind of forgetting he's only been a full time starter for 3 seasons, none under .500 if they win this week and he has a div title. That's a nice run and he will just be turning 30 as we enter the 2018 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackman55 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 7 hours ago, bla bla bla said: Kirk Cousins + Ryan Jensen please. I want no part of Bell, he wants $15M per year. Bla you really nailed it with Jensen. One minute into free agency the Jets should announce his signing locking up the center position for next 5 years. He even looks a little like Mangold! The Ravens have only $10-12 million in cap space and many holes to fill. If we are going to draft a QB then it is doubly important to sign him as a veteran center can dramatically accelerate a QB's development through making the protection calls, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 8 hours ago, SenorGato said: Do not know how I have missed it, but yeah this seems like a pretty obvious pair for the Jets. Throw in Seantrel Henderson from the Bills because **** them too and now the offense is rebuilt. If you’re worried about contracts - QB and RB version of the Wilkerson deal. Both have outs after the first two years - Cousins makes somewhere between 45-50 million those years, Bell pulls in 24-28, whatever it is. If you’re wondering why...Jets have the money, Cousins has been a target for years, and now he’s only available for money they have. Bell as a RB is destined to get totallynotcolluded on even moreso than usual but otherwise is a dominant talent still in his 20s. Henderson just seems like an interesting buy, haven’t really thought about what he’d make but not much. How many times do we have to tell you to stop creating Kirk Cousins threads? STOP SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Man there are stud RB’s coming out of each and every draft. sh*t is beyond dumb to pay Bell. Agreed. Dunno why anyone would want a FA back with that many miles on him. He totes the ball 25-30 times a game. Maybe a super bowl contending team that can fit him under the cap would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Investing huge FA dollars in a back with 5 years in the league is always a super smart investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, SAR I said: How many times do we have to tell you to stop creating Kirk Cousins threads? STOP SAR I How many times do we have to tell you to stop making Mark Sanchez threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 50 minutes ago, Mackman55 said: Bla you really nailed it with Jensen. One minute into free agency the Jets should announce his signing locking up the center position for next 5 years. He even looks a little like Mangold! The Ravens have only $10-12 million in cap space and many holes to fill. If we are going to draft a QB then it is doubly important to sign him as a veteran center can dramatically accelerate a QB's development through making the protection calls, etc. It must be the hair Cotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 7 hours ago, SenorGato said: Yes, that’s not even a little bit crazy. There’s no reason to use such a high pick on a RB unless that guy is a clear first round fallen out of the first like Dalvin Cook. Name one single legitimately elite FA talent the Jets are missing out on by signing Bell. Trumaine Johnson? Fine, be ready to spend up $16.5-18 million per. Also its easy to get above average production out of RB works against your whole idea of throwing a 2nd round pick at the position. From there its more relatively easy compared to other more nuanced positions like QB/OL/DL/DB, but that doesnt mean its actually easy. Otherwise Bilal Powell might have gotten some promotion a half decade in. Further, Bell is not just above average but an elite player with the track record to back the claim. That's just it, you could spend a 3rd or 4th on a RB and I'd be more than happy. I said that because I think you can still get an elite one with the Seahawks pick where other positions tend to drop off more. You don't have to tell me how good of a back Bell is, I can see it. The chances of us finding a back THAT good is slim but I think finding a back that can do what he does at an 80-90% level for 1/5 the cost is relatively easy. I would sign Bell but there is a long list of players I want to retain/get before I consider signing him. He's the definition of a luxury signing and I don't believe we are in that type of situation yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, bla bla bla said: That's just it, you could spend a 3rd or 4th on a RB and I'd be more than happy. I said that because I think you can still get an elite one with the Seahawks pick where other positions tend to drop off more. You don't have to tell me how good of a back Bell is, I can see it. The chances of us finding a back THAT good is slim but I think finding a back that can do what he does at an 80-90% level for 1/5 the cost is relatively easy. I would sign Bell but there is a long list of players I want to retain/get before I consider signing him. He's the definition of a luxury signing and I don't believe we are in that type of situation yet. I do spend a late pick on RB and am happy! It is not relatively essy to find a guy who gives 80-90% of what Bell does. You haven’t named a single specific player from this long list, let alone the elite player that it would actually mattet. If Bell “forces” the Jets’ hand away from giving ASJ $7 million a year then they’re already seeing the benefits of signing a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Cousins hasn't had a losing record in a full season he's played and the fact that Wash can get to .500 this week is miraculous w/ what he has had to work with this season. He also did lead Wash to a div title. People are kind of forgetting he's only been a full time starter for 3 seasons, none under .500 if they win this week and he has a div title. That's a nice run and he will just be turning 30 as we enter the 2018 season. All true. To get to the promised land of 9-7 we must have Kirk Cousins. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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