Expectations for next year

[UnitedWhofans]

The only reason Bowles is even back is because the expectations set for this year were so low that he was able to go 5-11 and still seem to overachieve.

But what about next year.

Listened to Connor Rogers, one of the few Jets guys I listen to, on the FAN and he said that the expectations would depend on QB.

If they go with a Kirk Cousins, then the Jets should be playoff contenders, though not necessarily locked in and that anything below 7 wins would be a disappointment

If they go with a rookie QB paired with a McCown type, he said that the expectations should be in the 6-8 range.

What do you think?

[pointman]

Playoffs or bust. You extend a guy who goes 5-11 two seasons in a row, its because they see some sort of promise and with the huge cash we have to spend, and our young squad full of leaders of men (joke) a year older... produce or bust.

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, pointman said:

Playoffs or bust. You extend a guy who goes 5-11 two seasons in a row, its because they see some sort of promise and with the huge cash we have to spend, and our young squad full of leaders of men (joke) a year older... produce or bust.

Are they a playoff team with McCown/Mayfield?

[BRONX DUDE]

WHO'S NEXT?

[pointman]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Are they a playoff team with McCown/Mayfield?

We won 5 games this year with McCown. With all the money we have, we can bring in some major impact players. Buy our way to the W like good old Tanny did. A Mayfield, or any other QB not a perennial loser like McCown should get us to a playoff year since our ownership decided this gm and coach are worth extending after two 5 win seasons. 

[Patriot Killa]

Absolutely depends on the QB and team surrounding that QB.

cousins and a bunch of elite FA’s? Playoffs or bust.

Rookie 1st rounder with a great FA cast? They still will need to improve a lot but Rookies go through growing pains so 8-9 wins with a lot better play could be fine. We still need to look good though..not just stay in games.

[Pcola]

If Cousins signs then anything less than the playoffs would be a huge disappointment.

[Tony MaC]

1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

Absolutely depends on the QB and team surrounding that QB.

cousins and a bunch of elite FA’s? Playoffs or bust.

Rookie 1st rounder with a great FA cast? They still will need to improve a lot but Rookies go through growing pains so 8-9 wins with a lot better play could be fine. We still need to look good though..not just stay in games.

Just about this, yeah.

If a rookie QB looks good most games but screws up one or two and the team missed the postseason you've got a strong case to stay the course. If its a veteran under center, well they'd better be playing exceptionally.

Either way, the team has to do better than this year and seem like they're on the upswing. The foundation is laid, most players on roster have had scheme continuity on both sides, that is not an unrealistic expectation.

[joewilly12]

[dbatesman]

Next year is year two of a rebuild, so anything over 2 wins is a major victory

[pointman]

lol So Bowles gets another pass? Its going to be 5 years from now and there will be more excuses.

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Next year is year two of a rebuild, so anything over 2 wins is a major victory

It’s really about getting the new cornerbacks comfortable with the system and finding out if the guard to whom we give $76 million dollars will allow Josh McCown to continue his renaissance. 

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, pointman said:

lol So Bowles gets another pass? Its going to be 5 years from now and there will be more excuses.

Competitive rebuilds take time.

[JiFtheOracle]

I’m going to wait to see what the media has to say becaue they set the narrative. 

[August]

This just tells me that they're going to go in another quick fix in order to be more competitive 

[pointman]

The expectations of this franchise and its fans is really depressing. 

[New York Mick]

For the team to suck and the fans complain. 

[Jetster]

Better be in the f*cking playoff hunt! Bills & Fins are nothing special & Brady will be 41 & he's finally showing signs of breaking down, he's having trouble with his Achilles and it doesn't get BETTER with age, no matter what the hell he's eating or drinking.

In this NFL filled with parity 8 years without the playoffs is a lifetime. Playoffs or bust for me regarding Todd Bowles. Something tells me this guy is gonna be a cat with 9 lives.

[joewilly12]

Just now, Jetster said:

Better be in the f*cking playoff hunt! Bills & Fins are nothing special & Brady will be 41 & he's finally showing signs of breaking down, he's having trouble with his Achilles and it doesn't get BETTER with age, no matter what the hell he's eating or drinking.

In this NFL filled with parity 8 years without the playoffs is a lifetime. Playoffs or bust for me regarding Todd Bowles. Something tells me this guy is gonna be a cat with 9 lives.

Exactly kick ass football from the start of the game to the end, no more playing from behind coming out flat or relying on other teams to get us into the post season!!!!!! 

[SenorGato]

- Coach ASJ into being a decent player after his inevitable extension because upside. 2019 it’s gloves off

- Keep the dynamic duo of Davis and Lee together

- Give McCown a Fitzgerald + inflation deal or Keenum/Bortles/Bridgewater a Glennon + inflation deal 

- Keep Bilal Powell so there is continuity at the backup RB position. 

- Extend Kony Ealy because remember when he was hot? The potential

- Sign a good OL

Basically I expect they will extend or keep mediocre players, sign a crappy QB because theygottadosomethinyaknow, pray a good FA OL is interested in trying to make that mess work, and then hope any QB prospect they’ve heard of falls in the draft. It’ll be a Macsterpiece. 

[CotcheryifyouCan]

should be 9 plus wins. the jets just went back to back with 5 win seasons. three years of sub 500 should get this regime canned. i hate bowles but i understand he got this team to do better then expected so he got the extension, but comon lets not reward less then mediocrity. also i liked macc in the beginning but hes made some glaring blunders. if they cant be in the hunt next year they should see the door.  off topic but seeing all these bowl games makes me sick to my stomach watson was passed over like fredo last year

[CanadienJetsFan]

55 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Next year is year two of a rebuild, so anything over 2 wins is a major victory

2-14. We finally get our QB,  Trace McSorley

[pointman]

I'm OK with whatever happens. Success, nice! Failure, one step closer to smug face Bowles being gone.

[Gastineau Lives]

1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

Next year is year two of a rebuild, so anything over 2 wins is a major victory

Listen, we already learned how to win. Once you do that, you don't forget it. What about this do you not get?

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, pointman said:

We won 5 games this year with McCown. With all the money we have, we can bring in some major impact players. Buy our way to the W like good old Tanny did. A Mayfield, or any other QB not a perennial loser like McCown should get us to a playoff year since our ownership decided this gm and coach are worth extending after two 5 win seasons. 

Fans seem to forget it’s Extremely rare for rookie qbs come into the league ready to lead. Especially with a offense that has a bellow average line, worst rb core in nfl, and ave at best receivers. We do have the cap room, so hopefully it is used wisely to give McCown much better protection/ better weapons to work with. The rookies we draft will hopefully be quick learners too but no guarantee. We certainly don’t have anywhere close to the perfect team for a rookie qb than what Sanchez had when he came in. Why it’s highly likely it’s McCown for whole yr. I think we will win anywhere from 7-10 games. All about who stays healthy. 

[k-met57]

30 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

- Coach ASJ into being a decent player after his inevitable extension because upside. 2019 it’s gloves off

- Keep the dynamic duo of Davis and Lee together

- Give McCown a Fitzgerald + inflation deal or Keenum/Bortles/Bridgewater a Glennon + inflation deal 

- Keep Bilal Powell so there is continuity at the backup RB position. 

- Extend Kony Ealy because remember when he was hot? The potential

- Sign a good OL

Basically I expect they will extend or keep mediocre players, sign a crappy QB because theygottadosomethinyaknow, pray a good FA OL is interested in trying to make that mess work, and then hope any QB prospect they’ve heard of falls in the draft. It’ll be a Macsterpiece. 

sounds like the perfect time to jump ship. perhaps the browns would be happy to have you.

[Jetscode1]

1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The only reason Bowles is even back is because the expectations set for this year were so low that he was able to go 5-11 and still seem to overachieve.

But what about next year.

Listened to Connor Rogers, one of the few Jets guys I listen to, on the FAN and he said that the expectations would depend on QB.

If they go with a Kirk Cousins, then the Jets should be playoff contenders, though not necessarily locked in and that anything below 7 wins would be a disappointment

If they go with a rookie QB paired with a McCown type, he said that the expectations should be in the 6-8 range.

What do you think?

If you go with Cousins then we become the Redskins North.  I'd predict the 7-9 wins.

On the rookie, it depends...if the rookie plays like Brock Osweiler then I agree with your 6-8 win projection...if the rookie plays like Russel Wilson then > 10.  

[flgreen]

IF the Jets sign Cousins, and still have a good bit of cap space, IMO, anything short of 10 wins, and a playoff appearance is a major fail.

This is their 4th year.  They had a good bit of cap space year one. They have had good draft position.  They're going to have monster cap this year.  

Time to show something

[Mogglez]

2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Are they a playoff team with McCown/Mayfield?

McCown - No.  Absolutely not.

Mayfield - Probably not, but maybe depending on how ready for the NFL he is.  A rookie draft pick at QB is a totally different set of expectations.  I could deal with 7-9 & 9-7 if it looks like we finally have a franchise QB and the coaching staff looks like they know what they are doing with the kid.

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The only reason Bowles is even back is because the expectations set for this year were so low that he was able to go 5-11 and still seem to overachieve.

But what about next year.

Listened to Connor Rogers, one of the few Jets guys I listen to, on the FAN and he said that the expectations would depend on QB.

If they go with a Kirk Cousins, then the Jets should be playoff contenders, though not necessarily locked in and that anything below 7 wins would be a disappointment

If they go with a rookie QB paired with a McCown type, he said that the expectations should be in the 6-8 range.

What do you think?

Without McCown jets only win 2 games this yr. He far exceeded anyone’s expectations. Bowles may take credit for keeping players ok with losing with pride, but Morton deserves a lot more credit than Bowles for tailoring plays to McCown’s limited strengths. He looked very comfortable out there, even though he didn’t have Much to work with. Any rookie we get won’t beat out McCown, at least in 18 ha. Interested to see if ownership is willing to actually spend this offseason

[pointman]

1 hour ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Fans seem to forget it’s Extremely rare for rookie qbs come into the league ready to lead. Especially with a offense that has a bellow average line, worst rb core in nfl, and ave at best receivers. We do have the cap room, so hopefully it is used wisely to give McCown much better protection/ better weapons to work with. The rookies we draft will hopefully be quick learners too but no guarantee. We certainly don’t have anywhere close to the perfect team for a rookie qb than what Sanchez had when he came in. Why it’s highly likely it’s McCown for whole yr. I think we will win anywhere from 7-10 games. All about who stays healthy. 

If with all the money we have, McCown is our day 1 starter then we have major problems and won't be seeing a post season yet again. Rookie QBs rarely lead? Do you mean rarely win? Two very different things. No one says a rookie needs to light it up like hes a prime Joe Montana, but he can produce better than, again a perennial loser like McCown. 

McCown cannot be the day 1 starter on this team. And there is no chance he leads us to 10 wins. I don't care if we get the 2010 back together again. Not happening. 

[JetFaninMI]

If they draft Mayfield(which I doubt) then McCown will probably be re-signed and I fully expect them to slightly improve depending on the surrounding cast.

If they sign Cousins then they are going all in and the playoffs will be the only acceptable result from this team. When I say all in I am talking about signing Cousins and at 3 other top FA's at the need positions(OL RB WR CB). This coupled with adding depth in the draft would go along way to ending the playoff drought. Of course it will all look good on paper and no team ever won anything in the off-season.

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, pointman said:

If with all the money we have, McCown is our day 1 starter then we have major problems and won't be seeing a post season yet again. Rookie QBs rarely lead? Do you mean rarely win? Two very different things. No one says a rookie needs to light it up like hes a prime Joe Montana, but he can produce better than, again a perennial loser like McCown. 

McCown cannot be the day 1 starter on this team. And there is no chance he leads us to 10 wins. I don't care if we get the 2010 back together again. Not happening. 

Lol dude let’s for a second just forget the history of McCown, and just look at this yr. The guy was ranked around 12th rated qb in the league. When is the last time we had a qb anywhere close to that ? He single handedly brought us from 2 wins to 5. If he hadn’t got hurt we prob go 7-9. On a sh*t team. Sure he may have had a fluke yr like Alex Smith, or Fitzpatrick for us few yrs ago. But if he could give similar production next yr with some stars and good draft picks coming in, we could easily get to 10 if all stay healthy. How many rookie qbs have cracked the top 15 in the past 5 yrs ? Very few. Kirk cousins is better but he still is not great. Qb was not the problem this yr ( until petty came in ) it was everywhere else on O.

[Lot K Tailgaters]

We are probably playing a last place schedule.  Should be at least .500. 

[pointman]

6 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Lol dude let’s for a second just forget the history of McCown, and just look at this yr. The guy was ranked around 12th rated qb in the league. When is the last time we had a qb anywhere close to that ? He single handedly brought us from 2 wins to 5. If he hadn’t got hurt we prob go 7-9. On a sh*t team. Sure he may have had a fluke yr like Alex Smith, or Fitzpatrick for us few yrs ago. But if he could give similar production next yr with some stars and good draft picks coming in, we could easily get to 10 if all stay healthy. How many rookie qbs have cracked the top 15 in the past 5 yrs ? Very few. Kirk cousins is better but he still is not great. Qb was not the problem this yr ( until petty came in ) it was everywhere else on O.

I like McCown. A lot. Most likable QB we have had in a long time. He has played solid. Now, he has also lost us games with some poor plays. We won FIVE games. FIVE. Lets not make more of what he did. He had a fun year, and a career one for him. Thats it. He isn't bringing us to the promised land, and he isn't leading us anywhere significant.