10 and 6 next season

[Maxman]

I am going conservative. But my assumptions are that the QB situation is addressed. If they go Kirk Cousins they can win more games. If they go rookie, they can win 10. But it has to be addressed, bringing back McCown isn't addressing the position in my mind.

Through free agency they need to add another CB and an edge rusher.

They will have to make other moves, but I am outlining the bare minimum to get to 10 wins. That is the floor for next year.

If not Bowles needs to be fired, most likely Macc too. But that won't matter, because as previously stated they will hit at least 10.

[Ghost]

Max, out away games are actually not bad at all. On the other hand, our home games are a lot more challenging. If I had to chose tho, i’d prefer to have the harder games at home. 

Cant wait for free agency and the draft!!! 

 

 

[Maxman]

Just now, Ghost said:

Max, out away games are actually not bad at all. On the other hand, our home games are a lot more challenging. If I had to chose tho, i’d prefer to have the harder games at home. 

Cant wait for free agency and the draft!!! 

 

 

Getting the last place schedule means that they play Cleveland. I think the Jets are the only team in the division that plays the Browns. That is a +1 advantage.

I think it is really as simple as that, they win 10 games or regime change happens. No 9 game, almost made the playoff moral victories. The only exception being you have Rosen or Darnold and they finished strong. 

Otherwise just spend this money wisely and the time for talk is over.

[jetsons]

bowles has continuously shown himself to be inept... HIS team consistently takes stupid penalties, his clock management is abysmal and his defensive schemes are pathetic... to think that he is somehow going to have an epiphany is some hoopty new years wishing...  pass whatever you're drinking around we can all use some... salud.

[JohnnyLV]

Hard to say what our record will be, but we will be a VERY different team next year. We could see as many as 10-15 even 20 different players on the roster than this year. It will certainly be one of the most interesting off seasons.

[Maxman]

5 minutes ago, jetsons said:

bowles has continuously shown himself to be inept... HIS team consistently takes stupid penalties, his clock management is abysmal and his defensive schemes are pathetic... to think that he is somehow going to have an epiphany is some hoopty new years wishing...  pass whatever you're drinking around we can all use some... salud.

According to https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game?date=2017-02-06 the Jets were the 5th least penalized team in 2016. There weren't bad in 2015 either. This year was definitely bad, and it has to be an area of improvement next year.

Hopefully most of it will be attributed to poor offensive line play and a lot of young players. But we won't know who to blame until (if) they fix it. Based on the first two years I expect that to improve next year though.

[Maxman]

5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Hard to say what our record will be, but we will be a VERY different team next year. We could see as many as 10-15 even 20 different players on the roster than this year. It will certainly be one of the most interesting off seasons.

Yeah I was kind of making two points with the first post. I guess the bigger point is, they need to win 10 games for Bowles to be back. The second point is, I think that is possible because of the cap room. That is a big if though, free agency has to be productive in a big way.

[BurnleyJet]

33 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Yeah I was kind of making two points with the first post. I guess the bigger point is, they need to win 10 games for Bowles to be back. The second point is, I think that is possible because of the cap room. That is a big if though, free agency has to be productive in a big way.

I know we have around 90 mill to spend but the Browns and others too have Big budgets next off season to.

Apart from Kirk C, who else is out there worth the money, and will we just be overpaying because we have a ton of cash?

Let's see if they are bright enough to lock up our own players. I'm thinking ASJ, Anderson, Claiborne, Davis. 

Still the most important thing for this franchise is to Draft a serviceable QB. Not a Brady, Payton, just a guy that can play consistantly at this level. A luxury we've not had for a very long time, to much to ask?

[BigO]

I could care less if they made the playoffs next year. Don’t see it happening anyways.  Hard to have faith in theses 2 bozo’s. 80-90 million in the hands of a guy who signed and drafted the likes of Revis and Harris - both way past their prime - Wilk, Fitz, McClown, Devin Smith, Hack, Lee, Forte, Skrine, Gilchhist etc - not exactly award winning moves.  Invariably, this team will be better with the FA’s and picks, even if McClown returns as the starter. Don’t put it past Mac. But then of course, you still Bowles who ‘plays the game to lose’.  Playoffs? ? Hopefully Max doesn’t burn down the site after next season. 

[Hael]

Mac nearly killed us last time he splurged in FA.  We have plenty of time to build.  Go after young guys with high leadership.  We don’t need Dez Bryant or even a super high end young FA (unless it’s QB).  Diamonds in the rough please.  Save our money for when we actually need it bc no matter what we aren’t making the playoffs with a qb in a new system.

Patience is a virtue here.  Splurge in FA when we have an established qb and a core group of guys acquired via the draft. 

We aren’t there yet.  At least one more year of real rebuilding pls.

[Jetscode1]

1 hour ago, BurnleyJet said:

I know we have around 90 mill to spend but the Browns and others too have Big budgets next off season to.

Apart from Kirk C, who else is out there worth the money, and will we just be overpaying because we have a ton of cash?

Let's see if they are bright enough to lock up our own players. I'm thinking ASJ, Anderson, Claiborne, Davis. 

Still the most important thing for this franchise is to Draft a serviceable QB. Not a Brady, Payton, just a guy that can play consistantly at this level. A luxury we've not had for a very long time, to much to ask?

Agreed.

[Jetsplayer21]

3 hours ago, Maxman said:

I am going conservative. But my assumptions are that the QB situation is addressed. If they go Kirk Cousins they can win more games. If they go rookie, they can win 10. But it has to be addressed, bringing back McCown isn't addressing the position in my mind.

Through free agency they need to add another CB and an edge rusher.

They will have to make other moves, but I am outlining the bare minimum to get to 10 wins. That is the floor for next year.

If not Bowles needs to be fired, most likely Macc too. But that won't matter, because as previously stated they will hit at least 10.

Todd Bowles just fell in love with you ha

[T0mShane]

6-10, including 2-4 in the division. 

[BigO]

3 hours ago, Maxman said:

 

If not Bowles needs to be fired, most likely Macc too. But that won't matter, because as previously stated they will hit at least 10.

You must be referring to the combined score of their recent NFL Wonderlick test. 

[68JET11]

3 hours ago, Hael said:

Mac nearly killed us last time he splurged in FA.  We have plenty of time to build.  Go after young guys with high leadership.  We don’t need Dez Bryant or even a super high end young FA (unless it’s QB).  Diamonds in the rough please.  Save our money for when we actually need it bc no matter what we aren’t making the playoffs with a qb in a new system.

Patience is a virtue here.  Splurge in FA when we have an established qb and a core group of guys acquired via the draft. 

We aren’t there yet.  At least one more year of real rebuilding pls.

+1... We need smart FA signings. I want young Oline, and an Edge rusher. I know QB is a must, but Oline and edge rusher are the most important before any QB will survive behind the OL we have now. I say use draft for OL, QB and possibly a CB, but use FA for Alex Smith, and Edge rusher unless there is a JJ Watt type in the draft.

[nyjunc]

4 hours ago, Maxman said:

Getting the last place schedule means that they play Cleveland. I think the Jets are the only team in the division that plays the Browns. That is a +1 advantage.

I think it is really as simple as that, they win 10 games or regime change happens. No 9 game, almost made the playoff moral victories. The only exception being you have Rosen or Darnold and they finished strong. 

Otherwise just spend this money wisely and the time for talk is over.

The last place schedule thing is almost meaningless these days.  It's not like the 80s or 90s when it made a huge difference.  Now it only matters w/ 2 games and the way the NFL is those 2 games could be tougher than the 2 the 2nd or 3rd place team plays although w/ Hue coming back to Cle that almost ensures they will suck again.

 

Most important is upgrade the OL, if they can bring in 2-3 new quality starters through the draft and FA we'll make a nice leap.  #2 is QB, Id love Smith and to draft a QB to learn under him. If not McCown back on a 1 year deal playing until the rookie is ready will be fine w/ me.  Those are the 2 biggest needs.

[Fantasy Island]

4 hours ago, jetsons said:

bowles has continuously shown himself to be inept... HIS team consistently takes stupid penalties, his clock management is abysmal and his defensive schemes are pathetic... to think that he is somehow going to have an epiphany is some hoopty new years wishing...  pass whatever you're drinking around we can all use some... salud.

and he got extended for this.

[Fantasy Island]

4 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Hard to say what our record will be, but we will be a VERY different team next year. We could see as many as 10-15 even 20 different Safeties on the roster than this year. It will certainly be one of the most interesting off seasons.

fixed it for you

[SenorGato]

3 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

Apart from Kirk C, who else is out there worth the money, and will we just be overpaying because we have a ton of cash?

Let's see if they are bright enough to lock up our own players. I'm thinking ASJ, Anderson, Claiborne, Davis. 

How is prioritizing locking up players like ASJ and Career Year Davis any different than “overpaying” a given non-Jets FA? Hell, how isn’t it worse since there is a shot an outside FA is actually good? 

 

[Warfish]

5 hours ago, Maxman said:

I am going conservative. But my assumptions are that the QB situation is addressed. If they go Kirk Cousins they can win more games. If they go rookie, they can win 10. But it has to be addressed, bringing back McCown isn't addressing the position in my mind.

Through free agency they need to add another CB and an edge rusher.

They will have to make other moves, but I am outlining the bare minimum to get to 10 wins. That is the floor for next year.

If not Bowles needs to be fired, most likely Macc too. But that won't matter, because as previously stated they will hit at least 10.

"Some posts are not meant to be taken seriously". - Maxman

[T0mShane]

Judging by a lot of the coverage, and posts on this site, a lot of people are acting like we went 10-6 this year.

[BurnleyJet]

Double Post

 

[BurnleyJet]

29 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

How is prioritizing locking up players like ASJ and Career Year Davis any different than “overpaying” a given non-Jets FA? Hell, how isn’t it worse since there is a shot an outside FA is actually good? 

 

It's diffrent because they are known quantities, and we won't be breaking the bank to resign them.

It could be worse, we could have paid a 3-4 end 86 million dollars

[Pennington]

16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Judging by a lot of the coverage, and posts on this site, a lot of people are acting like we went 10-6 this year.

I have never seen such celebrating over a 5-11 season. 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

34 days left in this season

2018 free agency period begins at 4:00 p.m on March 14

2018 NFL Draft from April 26-28

2018 hackathon starts in June

 

[SenorGato]

5 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

It's diffrent because they are known quantities, and we won't be breaking the bank to resign them.

It could be worse, we could have paid a 3-4 end 86 million dollars

That sounds fancy. Are we ignoring that what we know is that they are not good NFL players? That “we” won’t be breaking the bank, which no one is doing for anyone anyway since that is not how it works, because they suck?

The lesson out of Wilkerson isn’t that the big secret to winning is locking up lots of crappy small players to small deals. Literally your sentence is something about ASJ being a known quantity! Yet Wilkerson lo...how do so many of you guys work this stuff out in your heads? 

[faba]

Mac is on the clock to find a QB we can believe can win with for the future

 beside upgrade offensive line edge rusher, one or two cb's Tick tock

[TuscanyTile2]

6 hours ago, Maxman said:

I am going conservative. But my assumptions are that the QB situation is addressed. If they go Kirk Cousins they can win more games. If they go rookie, they can win 10. But it has to be addressed, bringing back McCown isn't addressing the position in my mind.

Through free agency they need to add another CB and an edge rusher.

They will have to make other moves, but I am outlining the bare minimum to get to 10 wins. That is the floor for next year.

If not Bowles needs to be fired, most likely Macc too. But that won't matter, because as previously stated they will hit at least 10.

We had the exact same needs going into last offseason.

[DocIsIn]

5 hours ago, Maxman said:

According to https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game?date=2017-02-06 the Jets were the 5th least penalized team in 2016. There weren't bad in 2015 either. This year was definitely bad, and it has to be an area of improvement next year.

Hopefully most of it will be attributed to poor offensive line play and a lot of young players. But we won't know who to blame until (if) they fix it. Based on the first two years I expect that to improve next year though.

Players who are athletically inferior to their opponents will tend to commit penalties or fouls - we were suspect on OL and CB, which is where most of the penalties occurred.

[CanadaSteve]

6 hours ago, Maxman said:

I am going conservative. But my assumptions are that the QB situation is addressed. If they go Kirk Cousins they can win more games. If they go rookie, they can win 10. But it has to be addressed, bringing back McCown isn't addressing the position in my mind.

Through free agency they need to add another CB and an edge rusher.

They will have to make other moves, but I am outlining the bare minimum to get to 10 wins. That is the floor for next year.

If not Bowles needs to be fired, most likely Macc too. But that won't matter, because as previously stated they will hit at least 10.

There are some CB's coming up, but 1) They will cost a BOAT-LOAD of money or 2) We will be going the route of signing MUCH older guys. 

You have Trumaine Johnson, Prince Amukamara, Justin Bethel, D.J. Hayden, Malcolm Butler, Kyle Williams.  Some of these guys will be resigned though, and a few of them will get TOP dollars.

We still have to try and sign Claiborne, but I am worried we will be looking at Brent Grimes, Jonathan Joseph, DeAngelo Hall, Terence Newman, Tramon Williams, Leon Hall, Byron Maxwell.  All guys with a name, but are/will be on the wrong side of 30 when they cash in.

As for Edge Rushers, the cupboard is pretty bare. Demarcus Lawrence, Sheldon Richardson (and that is a stretch at calling him an edge rusher), Alex Okafor, Aldon Smith, Nigel Bradham, Adrian Clayborn, and Ezekiel Ansah.  I say its bare because I highly doubt Okafor, Lawrence or Ansah get away from their respective teams.  Doesn't leave much left.

This should be the most worrisome for Jet fans.  What happens if Chubb gets past Indy and Cleveland (with their second pick)?  If Mac stays put, he might value the BPA player in Chubb over taking a QB like Jackson, Allen, or Mayfield at that position.

IF Mac wants a QB, I would probably see a trade-up with Cleveland for the #4 pick if they are sure INDY will not pick one as insurance with Andrew Luck. 

[Larz]

And some here won't be able to enjoy because they are so committed to the trolling 

Hahaha **** them 

[jetsons]

6 hours ago, Maxman said:

According to https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game?date=2017-02-06 the Jets were the 5th least penalized team in 2016. There weren't bad in 2015 either. This year was definitely bad, and it has to be an area of improvement next year.

Hopefully most of it will be attributed to poor offensive line play and a lot of young players. But we won't know who to blame until (if) they fix it. Based on the first two years I expect that to improve next year though.

I never said they were the most penalized I said they take stupid penalties that kill drives & momentum.  They started yesterdays game w/a false start... on the Very first play... that's how you get your team ready to play the defending Super Bowl Champs???... Utterly Ridiculous & Pathetic.

[Maxman]

2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

We had the exact same needs going into last offseason.

And no money.

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said:

There are some CB's coming up, but 1) They will cost a BOAT-LOAD of money or 2) We will be going the route of signing MUCH older guys. 

You have Trumaine Johnson, Prince Amukamara, Justin Bethel, D.J. Hayden, Malcolm Butler, Kyle Williams.  Some of these guys will be resigned though, and a few of them will get TOP dollars.

We still have to try and sign Claiborne, but I am worried we will be looking at Brent Grimes, Jonathan Joseph, DeAngelo Hall, Terence Newman, Tramon Williams, Leon Hall, Byron Maxwell.  All guys with a name, but are/will be on the wrong side of 30 when they cash in.

As for Edge Rushers, the cupboard is pretty bare. Demarcus Lawrence, Sheldon Richardson (and that is a stretch at calling him an edge rusher), Alex Okafor, Aldon Smith, Nigel Bradham, Adrian Clayborn, and Ezekiel Ansah.  I say its bare because I highly doubt Okafor, Lawrence or Ansah get away from their respective teams.  Doesn't leave much left.

This should be the most worrisome for Jet fans.  What happens if Chubb gets past Indy and Cleveland (with their second pick)?  If Mac stays put, he might value the BPA player in Chubb over taking a QB like Jackson, Allen, or Mayfield at that position.

IF Mac wants a QB, I would probably see a trade-up with Cleveland for the #4 pick if they are sure INDY will not pick one as insurance with Andrew Luck. 

I cannot fathom any way IND can justify selecting a QB at #3 and also keeping Luck.  If they are committing to Luck, they have to take one of the OTs (McGlinchy most likely) or maybe Barkley.  No other decision makes any sense.  And since there are a few OTs they might potentially like, they could very well consider trading down a few slots an attractive option which opens the door for us to move up ahead of DEN if we feel we need to.

If the Giants don't take a QB and Rosen or Darnold slips to #3, I would love to have a trade in place to grab either one right then and there.  DEN will probably be looking to do the same so it won't come cheap.

[Untouchable]

3 hours ago, 68JET11 said:

+1... We need smart FA signings. I want young Oline, and an Edge rusher. I know QB is a must, but Oline and edge rusher are the most important before any QB will survive behind the OL we have now. I say use draft for OL, QB and possibly a CB, but use FA for Alex Smith, and Edge rusher unless there is a JJ Watt type in the draft.

There are no edgerushers in FA this year. Unless you want to bring in a washed up Clay Matthews.

There are no OT’s worth a damn either. It’s going to be an even worse crop than last year when guys like Matt Kalil and Riley Reiff were awarded deals in excess of $10 million a year.

The only guys worth throwing big money at (at least for us) are Cousins and the two big CB’s expected to hit the market (Malcolm Butler and Trumaine Johnson).

And I propose that’s exactly what we should do. Sign Cousins and a guy like Butler, throw $6-7 million a year at a legit NT like Dontari Poe, re-sign a couple of our young guys like Davis and ASJ...and find our passrusher and OL help through the draft.