I'm stepping back to get a better view

[Jetster]

I don't know what I really expected this year. I got excited with the 2-3 start and jumped back on board like everyone else. Amazing that the Jets did it to me again, with a QB with a 2-23 record coming in, lol. But, when I step back and try to look at this year with an open mind, wow did I expect too much! 

Not only did we completely blow this team up after 2016, but we literally played the season with probably the 3 worst QB trio in the entire league. The skill positions are either average or young & I have to remind myself that I was ALL IN on this rebuild. Many great posters warned us saying, "this fan base doesn't have the stomach for a complete rebuild", I think he was right. It's so tough to just ignore 7 years now out of the playoffs. But, it's a damn FACT that this coming draft will truly be only the 2nd year of this rebuild. 2015 was a GO FOR IT YEAR and pushed out into 2017 what should have been done in 2016.

Nothing goes perfectly & we now know that 3 of our highest paid players need to go. Mo Wilkerson, Matt Forte & Buster Skrine all need to be replaced. Bowles loves Skrine for some reason but if he's not willing to take a pay cut he's got to go. Skrine seemed to be playing like his stupid hair was on fire the last 5 games, which to me signals he doesn't want to get cut, but where was he the 1st eleven games? Constantly screwing up & a penalty machine. Forte we got like 20% of him.

Im not a fan of Bowles but if we go full bore to fix the offense, maybe we can do a complete 180. Sign Cousins, Jensen, Graham & CB in free agency. Draft McClinchy or Nelson in the 1st round, draft a stud RB (Bryce Love) with our 2nd & a pass rusher in the 2nd. That still leaves a high 3rd/4th/5th. Cousins playing behind McClinchy/Carpenter/Jensen/Winters/Shell, with Enunwa-Kearse-Anderson- Graham- Love is a very versatile offense. In fact Enunwa & Graham would be match up nightmares & Cousins throws beautiful seam routes.

Year 2 of the rebuild. Lot of work to be done but with 100 million & 3 picks in the top 50 it could be a great 2nd year. 

 

[rangerous]

agree with most of this.

one thing to consider.  like bowles or not the jets have now taken two scrap heap qb's and watched them have career years.  does this mean signing a top fa is going to mean the same success?  of course not but it does mean these guys played pretty well with bowles as coach.

[the Claw]

What I don’t understand is this: why expectations changed. They went into this season with what the pundits called the worst starting lineup in the league, a 38 year old qb whose record was horrible, a third year head coach, and an owner who was to be shipped off to another corner of the world. I just don’t understand why anyone would need to take a step back. The expectation of what this team was should never have been more than what they started out as. I’m sorry, but if the results of this season disappointed you, it’s your own fault. If you’re up in arms about the state of the roster, it’s your own fault. If you need to re-evaluate how you feel about the team, it’s your own fault. The Jets were always going to be bad this year.

[Patriot Killa]

10 hours ago, Jetster said:

I don't know what I really expected this year. I got excited with the 2-3 start and jumped back on board like everyone else. Amazing that the Jets did it to me again, with a QB with a 2-23 record coming in, lol. But, when I step back and try to look at this year with an open mind, wow did I expect too much! 

Not only did we completely blow this team up after 2016, but we literally played the season with probably the 3 worst QB trio in the entire league. The skill positions are either average or young & I have to remind myself that I was ALL IN on this rebuild. Many great posters warned us saying, "this fan base doesn't have the stomach for a complete rebuild", I think he was right. It's so tough to just ignore 7 years now out of the playoffs. But, it's a damn FACT that this coming draft will truly be only the 2nd year of this rebuild. 2015 was a GO FOR IT YEAR and pushed out into 2017 what should have been done in 2016.

Nothing goes perfectly & we now know that 3 of our highest paid players need to go. Mo Wilkerson, Matt Forte & Buster Skrine all need to be replaced. Bowles loves Skrine for some reason but if he's not willing to take a pay cut he's got to go. Skrine seemed to be playing like his stupid hair was on fire the last 5 games, which to me signals he doesn't want to get cut, but where was he the 1st eleven games? Constantly screwing up & a penalty machine. Forte we got like 20% of him.

Im not a fan of Bowles but if we go full bore to fix the offense, maybe we can do a complete 180. Sign Cousins, Jensen, Graham & CB in free agency. Draft McClinchy or Nelson in the 1st round, draft a stud RB (Bryce Love) with our 2nd & a pass rusher in the 2nd. That still leaves a high 3rd/4th/5th. Cousins playing behind McClinchy/Carpenter/Jensen/Winters/Shell, with Enunwa-Kearse-Anderson- Graham- Love is a very versatile offense. In fact Enunwa & Graham would be match up nightmares & Cousins throws beautiful seam routes.

Year 2 of the rebuild. Lot of work to be done but with 100 million & 3 picks in the top 50 it could be a great 2nd year. 

 

Hey man, first off this was a really good post. I want a young QB..but hypothetically speaking if we did go the cousins route, I feel the additions you named off getting would be a great way to capitalize on a Cousins signing. I’d rush to the podium for Quientin Nelson or McGlinchey and have an anchor for a decade. I know Nelson is suppose to be better than Zack Martin but I think the fact McGlinchey is a beast LT and LT is premium position would make me most likely pick him over the Guard. For Free Agency.. I would cut Bryce Petty, Mo, Skrine and Forte ..might sign a big bodied #1 WR(Hey, word is the Cowboys might release Dez) Landry is sized a like slot guy but his production says #1 WR through and through...if you look his stats up, you will be very surprised of much production he already has.. with RYAN F-IN TANNEHILL. Yes. But then again, I might not spend anything on one just because of the youth at the position already. Definitely would consider it though. Take care of our corner problem by grabbing our DB coach’s guy Tremaine Johnson. Maybe Kyle Fuller, too, if I can get him on a good deal. Next get us Ziggy!!(lol prolly won’t be happenin) but point being..try to upgrade edge rusher via FA. Resign Ealy, ASJ, Demario Davis and Claiborne. As you mentioned, I might get Bryce Love with our 2nd, depending on who’s there. I’d be wanting to draft Billy Price with the first 2nd and then grab who ever is left out of Sony Michel, Bryce Love and Nick Chubb. I’d add a pass rushing 3-4 OLB at some point in the draft just to continue the pipeline and add talent to one of the teams sore spots since forever.(with the added OLB in FA, I can then afford to purse value and pick one later on.)

In the 3rd to fourth I would look for a good QB with actual potential to play behind Cousins. If Falk, Finley or decent prospect of that nature drops to 3-4 I would definitely consider adding one. So I’m hoping my offseason would then check mark -

LT

C

CB #1,2

True #1WR(maybe)

QB #1,2

RB #1 or #2(depending on depth chart)

OLB 

Maintaining current youthful talent.

feel like we are in a good spot. And if we do get Cousins and do something similar to this .we could be a double digit win team this very next season 

[Jetster]

6 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Hey man, first off this was a really good post. I want a young QB..but hypothetically speaking if we did go the cousins route, I feel the additions you named off getting would be a great way to capitalize on a Cousins signing. I’d rush to the podium for Quientin Nelson or McGlinchey and have an anchor for a decade. I know Nelson is suppose to be better than Zack Martin but I think the fact McGlinchey is a beast LT and LT is premium position would make me most likely pick him over the Guard. For Free Agency.. I would cut Bryce Petty, Mo, Skrine and Forte ..might sign a big bodied #1 WR(Hey, word is the Cowboys might release Dez) Landry is sized a like slot guy but his production says #1 WR through and through...if you look his stats up, you will be very surprised of much production he already has.. with RYAN F-IN TANNEHILL. Yes. But then again, I might not spend anything on one just because of the youth at the position already. Definitely would consider it though. Take care of our corner problem by grabbing our DB coach’s guy Tremaine Johnson. Maybe Kyle Fuller, too, if I can get him on a good deal. Next get us Ziggy!!(lol prolly won’t be happenin) but point being..try to upgrade edge rusher via FA. Resign Ealy, ASJ, Demario Davis and Claiborne. As you mentioned, I might get Bryce Love with our 2nd, depending on who’s there. I’d be wanting to draft Billy Price with the first 2nd and then grab who ever is left out of Sony Michel, Bryce Love and Nick Chubb. I’d add a pass rushing 3-4 OLB at some point in the draft just to continue the pipeline and add talent to one of the teams sore spots since forever.(with the added OLB in FA, I can then afford to purse value and pick one later on.)

In the 3rd to fourth I would look for a good QB with actual potential to play behind Cousins. If Falk, Finley or decent prospect of that nature drops to 3-4 I would definitely consider adding one. So I’m hoping my offseason would then check mark -

LT

C

CB #1,2

True #1WR(maybe)

QB #1,2

RB #1 or #2(depending on depth chart)

OLB 

Maintaining current youthful talent.

feel like we are in a good spot. And if we do get Cousins and do something similar to this .we could be a double digit win team this very next season 

Good post. I'm with you on Landry, we could easily have ASJ, Tomlinson & Sterling for the same money as Graham, so Landry is better value really because of what we've got. That Georgia LB was a BEAST last night! 

[dbatesman]

I like how three or four times a month, somebody posts a thread called like “looking at things rationally” or “a reasonable perspective” or some such where they argue that it’s actually no big deal that the roster is a sewer fire.

[Jetster]

9 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I like how three or four times a month, somebody posts a thread called like “looking at things rationally” or “a reasonable perspective” or some such where they argue that it’s actually no big deal that the roster is a sewer fire.

Here's a REALITY CHECK for you dbatesman, finding a franchise QB in this league is NOT EASY! If it was easy the Jaguars would probably win the Super Bowl but they won't because their QB is Blake Bortles. Sure KC wins a lot of games...Super Bowl with Smith? doubt it. 

Mike McCarthy looked f*cking lost WITHOUT Aaron Rogers. Bill Belichick is the only coach in this league left that can beat his with yours. But there ain't no way in hell hes winning 5 Super Bowls without lucking into a 6th round HOFamer. 

So while you pontificate here and say, "I wish we had Derek Carr", remember he's not even in the playoffs. The great Bill Obrien picks right after us. 2/3 of the league don't have Super Bowl type QBs. If Mike Tomlin didn't have Big Ben or their great scouting team & GM he'd look just as bad as Bowles.

Why don't you wait & see what happens in 2018 regarding Macc & his quest for a QB. It's like Jet fans act like it's some sort of sin he took a flyer on a 20 year old Hackenberg. Let it play out, he's only been here 3 freaking years. Not 20 like Terry Bradway.

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23 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I like how three or four times a month, somebody posts a thread called like “looking at things rationally” or “a reasonable perspective” or some such where they argue that it’s actually no big deal that the roster is a sewer fire.

Sort of similar to the multiple threads per week saying Bowles is the worst HC in football or I can't believe the Hack pick. There we're really only 2 possibilities for this season: Be bad and see no development or be bad and see development. I think we got the latter, now we need to go out and take advantage of the picks and money.

[ScarletKnight89]

18 hours ago, rangerous said:

agree with most of this.

one thing to consider.  like bowles or not the jets have now taken two scrap heap qb's and watched them have career years.  does this mean signing a top fa is going to mean the same success?  of course not but it does mean these guys played pretty well with bowles as coach.

That's a very fair point. I think Bowles does get the most out of his players. I just hate his in game coaching

[redlichtie]

18 hours ago, rangerous said:

agree with most of this.

one thing to consider.  like bowles or not the jets have now taken two scrap heap qb's and watched them have career years.  does this mean signing a top fa is going to mean the same success?  of course not but it does mean these guys played pretty well with bowles as coach.

Good point, hadn’t thought of it that way. He’s shown zero ability or inclination to develop a young/rookie QB though

[FidelioJet]

18 hours ago, Jetster said:

I don't know what I really expected this year. I got excited with the 2-3 start and jumped back on board like everyone else. Amazing that the Jets did it to me again, with a QB with a 2-23 record coming in, lol. But, when I step back and try to look at this year with an open mind, wow did I expect too much! 

Not only did we completely blow this team up after 2016, but we literally played the season with probably the 3 worst QB trio in the entire league. The skill positions are either average or young & I have to remind myself that I was ALL IN on this rebuild. Many great posters warned us saying, "this fan base doesn't have the stomach for a complete rebuild", I think he was right. It's so tough to just ignore 7 years now out of the playoffs. But, it's a damn FACT that this coming draft will truly be only the 2nd year of this rebuild. 2015 was a GO FOR IT YEAR and pushed out into 2017 what should have been done in 2016.

 

 

This is such a key point.  I'm sure many of the most vocal - Bowles is worst coach in the history of the NFL - crowd are also the people that were screaming for a true rebuild. 

We got the true rebuild - there will be growing pains - you can't be a reactionary fool - but have to live with it the down side of a complete rebuild .  I, for one, am excited about the prospects of this teams future.

[The Crusher]

23 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Here's a REALITY CHECK for you dbatesman, finding a franchise QB in this league is NOT EASY! If it was easy the Jaguars would probably win the Super Bowl but they won't because their QB is Blake Bortles. Sure KC wins a lot of games...Super Bowl with Smith? doubt it. 

Mike McCarthy looked f*cking lost WITHOUT Aaron Rogers. Bill Belichick is the only coach in this league left that can beat his with yours. But there ain't no way in hell hes winning 5 Super Bowls without lucking into a 6th round HOFamer. 

So while you pontificate here and say, "I wish we had Derek Carr", remember he's not even in the playoffs. The great Bill Obrien picks right after us. 2/3 of the league don't have Super Bowl type QBs. If Mike Tomlin didn't have Big Ben or their great scouting team & GM he'd look just as bad as Bowles.

Why don't you wait & see what happens in 2018 regarding Macc & his quest for a QB. It's like Jet fans act like it's some sort of sin he took a flyer on a 20 year old Hackenberg. Let it play out, he's only been here 3 freaking years. Not 20 like Terry Bradway.

Taking a flyer on a QB is something you do in the 4th or 5th or later round. Not the second round . The fact Macc didn’t know that is a sin and we just spent our second year in QB purgatory for it. Bowles may or not be a good coach and we have no idea because of that pick. So yes, it was 100% a sin to take a flyer in the second round on a QB with horrible college production. 

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

Taking a flyer on a QB is something you do in the 4th or 5th or later round. Not the second round . The fact Macc didn’t know that is a sin and we just spent our second year in QB purgatory for it. Bowles may or not be a good coach and we have no idea because of that pick. So yes, it was 100% a sin to take a flyer in the second round on a QB with horrible college production. 

Sorry, disageee. The Jets hit on David Harris & hadn’t hit on a 2nd rounder till Maye!

So your sin theory makes no sense. In fact if we had taken a flyer on a QB every time during that period we might be watching Russell Wilson & been none the worse for it.

[dbatesman]

1 hour ago, Jetster said:

So while you pontificate here and say, "I wish we had Derek Carr"

That’s my thing that I say!

[The Crusher]

5 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Sorry, disageee. The Jets hit on David Harris & hadn’t hit on a 2nd rounder till Maye!

So your sin theory makes no sense. In fact if we had taken a flyer on a QB during that period we might be watching Russell Wilson!

By taking a QB with the second we only made half efforts to fix the position. With has beens and never beens. Macc couldn’t give up on his pick so we made believe for two years he was getting better. Afraid to let him take a single in game snap. Your example of Harris and Maye having nothing to do with nothing. 

[JiFtheOracle]

2 hours ago, dbatesman said:

I like how three or four times a month, somebody posts a thread called like “looking at things rationally” or “a reasonable perspective” or some such where they argue that it’s actually no big deal that the roster is a sewer fire.

My favorite is next year is year 2 of a rebuild and that’s when the Jets will get serious about addressing premium positions as if the first 2 years were just a trail run.

[Jetster]

5 hours ago, JiF said:

My favorite is next year is year 2 of a rebuild and that’s when the Jets will get serious about addressing premium positions as if the first 2 years were just a trail run.

Signing Revis-Skrine-Gilchrist- Fitz- trading for Marshall- resigning Harris- was a pretty clear indication we weren't going REBUILD in 2015/2016.

[UnTypicalJET]

Great post! Anytime the REGULARS who Bowles and Mac bash are quiet as crickets... you’ve said something valid and factual. I agree, I think with a QB and Edge Rushers along with a viable corner we are in the Wildcard race next season.


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