HawkeyeJet Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 There has been something I've noticed recently regarding Bowles I find interesting/perplexing. I think it's safe to say most Jets fans are not high on Bowles. For the record, I am one of those not high on him, so this is not a "told ya" post. That said, I find a ton of analysts, ex-players, ex-NFL execs and so on, that sing his praises as a coach, even after a 2nd straight 5-11 season. I just don't see what they see. I wish I did, but I don't. I don't know why I felt compelled to post this, just find it interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: There has been something I've noticed recently regarding Bowles I find interesting/perplexing. I think it's safe to say most Jets fans are not high on Bowles. For the record, I am one of those not high on him, so this is not a "told ya" post. That said, I find a ton of analysts, ex-players, ex-NFL execs and so on, that sing his praises as a coach, even after a 2nd straight 5-11 season. I just don't see what they see. I wish I did, but I don't. I don't know why I felt compelled to post this, just find it interesting. It’s eerily similar to Herm, everyone always wanted to say what a great coach Herm was too, and I don’t see it with either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: There has been something I've noticed recently regarding Bowles I find interesting/perplexing. I think it's safe to say most Jets fans are not high on Bowles. For the record, I am one of those not high on him, so this is not a "told ya" post. That said, I find a ton of analysts, ex-players, ex-NFL execs and so on, that sing his praises as a coach, even after a 2nd straight 5-11 season. I just don't see what they see. I wish I did, but I don't. I don't know why I felt compelled to post this, just find it interesting. The bar set for this team was so low..5 wins plus staying in most game we lost is the answer to your question. It’s pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: There has been something I've noticed recently regarding Bowles I find interesting/perplexing. I think it's safe to say most Jets fans are not high on Bowles. For the record, I am one of those not high on him, so this is not a "told ya" post. That said, I find a ton of analysts, ex-players, ex-NFL execs and so on, that sing his praises as a coach, even after a 2nd straight 5-11 season. I just don't see what they see. I wish I did, but I don't. I don't know why I felt compelled to post this, just find it interesting. That’s why I find it fascinating. The only thing I am come up with is that they don’t watch every game and see the warts. Other than that I don’t know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 The other thing goes back to the statement I have been echoeing from the radio. Bowes is a great football coach from Monday to Saturday. Which is when the media mostly meets the head coach. so they get a great impression of him. then Sunday comes and he makes mistakes. He’s a bad coach. i also think that the warts we see in Bowles are common elsewhere as well. An article brought up Andy Reid who is infamous for bad clock management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 It’s a fraternity, you will rarely get anything objective from those who’ve been on that treadmill IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: There has been something I've noticed recently regarding Bowles I find interesting/perplexing. I think it's safe to say most Jets fans are not high on Bowles. For the record, I am one of those not high on him, so this is not a "told ya" post. That said, I find a ton of analysts, ex-players, ex-NFL execs and so on, that sing his praises as a coach, even after a 2nd straight 5-11 season. I just don't see what they see. I wish I did, but I don't. I don't know why I felt compelled to post this, just find it interesting. Todd Bowles is awful. He should have been fired last year. That said there's so many good openings this year that even if our dumb **** ownership could identify the best coach, we wouldn't get him. We're stuck with another year of purgatory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I wonder if Scott Frost will be a nfl coach in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Because I think the general media just sees....they got rid of their talented high paid veterans and went with young and inexperienced guys. And he has no QB. So just from that, they see it as not his fault for the 5-11 season and that he just needs a more talented roster. Aside from that point, I have no idea what they're seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I think the perception is he was handed a roster of crap, and they played hard for him, and won more games than expected. My personal opinion is that he improved some from last year but still gets spooked by his own team and needs to learn to be aggressive out of the gate and to try to get a lead. I think the ugly interception at the end of the half in the Miami game (I think) spooked him from other situations where he sat on the ball He has to show trust in his players. What he did to petty running the ball with 10 minutes to go must have really confused the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, MDL_JET said: Because I think the general media just sees....they got rid of their talented high paid veterans and went with young and inexperienced guys. And he has no QB. So just from that, they see it as not his fault for the 5-11 season and that he just needs a more talented roster. Aside from that point, I have no idea what they're seeing. So basically they doubted the talent that Maccagnan got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 My guess is that Bowles is so stupid the media feels bad for him. This guy is in-f’ing-credibly stupid that he chose McCown over Petty and Hackenberg even though everyone knows a proper rebuild requires the #1 pick. Then when forced to unleash one of these guys upon opponents he decides **** it call the bad plays lets sabotage this guy and the rebuild. It cannot and probably will not get more stupid than this guy. He does not get football OR rebuilding. Also he is probably in love with McCown or Irish Harvard QB. So yeah, basically they feel bad for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, SenorGato said: My guess is that Bowles is so stupid the media feels bad for him. This guy is in-f’ing-credibly stupid that he chose McCown over Petty and Hackenberg even though everyone knows a proper rebuild requires the #1 pick. It cannot and probably will not get more stupid than this guy. He does not get football OR rebuilding. So yeah, basically they feel bad for him. The New York media feeling bad for somebody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 He’s a nice guy who’s been around the league forever. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Good observation. Bowles is very respected around the league. He seems to be a great guy in general, with that cool, calm demeanor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said: Good observation. Bowles is very respected around the league. He seems to be a great guy in general, with that cool, calm demeanor. He seems like the optimal friend. He just sucks at coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, NoBowles said: It’s eerily similar to Herm, everyone always wanted to say what a great coach Herm was too, and I don’t see it with either. The difference is Herm actually had success here, Bowles has not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Bowles doesn’t seem to be a dummy. He’s generally well spoken and articulates his ideas well. Come game day, he’s a coach goes the conservative route- to a fault- and people in pro sports circles can get around that. He has built a locker room that respects him and each other- there’s something to be said for that. He’s called guys out and followed through- something to be said for that. All in all I don’t think that he’s a bad coach. I think he’s a guy that relies too heavily on himself. He needs to get better at trusting his coaches and his players. Even if it ends up in a loss. As a fan, I’d much rather them lose to a team by a wider margin if they’re going for it and allowing their players to play. Not like trying to desperately protect his players from losing. Let them play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, nyjunc said: The difference is Herm actually had success here, Bowles has not. He also started with a SB caliber team and destroyed it over his tenure. Only difference is Bowles started with a terrible team and kept it terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, the Claw said: Bowles doesn’t seem to be a dummy. He’s generally well spoken and articulates his ideas well. Come game day, he’s a coach goes the conservative route- to a fault- and people in pro sports circles can get around that. He has built a locker room that respects him and each other- there’s something to be said for that. He’s called guys out and followed through- something to be said for that. All in all I don’t think that he’s a bad coach. I think he’s a guy that relies too heavily on himself. He needs to get better at trusting his coaches and his players. Even if it ends up in a loss. As a fan, I’d much rather them lose to a team by a wider margin if they’re going for it and allowing their players to play. Not like trying to desperately protect his players from losing. Let them play. Great post, much better than mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 34 minutes ago, SenorGato said: My guess is that Bowles is so stupid the media feels bad for him. This guy is in-f’ing-credibly stupid that he chose McCown over Petty and Hackenberg even though everyone knows a proper rebuild requires the #1 pick. Then when forced to unleash one of these guys upon opponents he decides **** it call the bad plays lets sabotage this guy and the rebuild. It cannot and probably will not get more stupid than this guy. He does not get football OR rebuilding. Also he is probably in love with McCown or Irish Harvard QB. So yeah, basically they feel bad for him. A proper rebuild requires a #1 pick? lol Based on what? The Texans? browns? There is no such thing as a rebuild... You need a QB and having the 1st pick means almost nothing for that... How many #1 overall QBs have won a SB in the last 30 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 NFL fraternity rarely criticizes its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony MaC Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 This isn't an isolated issue either, opinions on the Jets from fans and the national media are WAY far apart in general. The fact that the team was predicated to do SO badly definitely plays a part in that but basically while we're here angry and in disbelief that the regime is still in place almost everybody else is looking at the Jets as being smart for staying the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 It’s not the worst thing to have a coach that’s well respected league wide lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said: There has been something I've noticed recently regarding Bowles I find interesting/perplexing. I think it's safe to say most Jets fans are not high on Bowles. For the record, I am one of those not high on him, so this is not a "told ya" post. That said, I find a ton of analysts, ex-players, ex-NFL execs and so on, that sing his praises as a coach, even after a 2nd straight 5-11 season. I just don't see what they see. I wish I did, but I don't. I don't know why I felt compelled to post this, just find it interesting. I think it's because those positions are more than just jobs but it's like a fraternity as well. Many of these folks have dealt with one another as players, some guys who were execs probably had these coaches as players when they were coaching, vice versa etc. Many of these relationships go back to college, just look at Bowles and Arians. Guys are going to look out for one another because their friends as well man of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Coaches get criticized all the time. Not sure what you are talking about? Don't need to look far. The national media destroyed the coach next door since week 8 4 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: I think it's because those positions are more than just jobs but it's like a fraternity as well. Many of these folks have dealt with one another as players, some guys who were execs probably had these coaches as players when they were coaching, vice versa etc. Many of these relationships go back to college, just look at Bowles and Arians. Guys are going to look out for one another because their friends as well man of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: The bar set for this team was so low..5 wins plus staying in most game we lost is the answer to your question. It’s pretty sad. But Bowles does not deserve any credit from getting this team to 5 wins. McCown was expected to be as bad as petty, wasn’t even a lock to win #1. If Petty was qb all season, this team doesn’t win more than 2 games. If anything Morton deserves more credit among coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 He’s a good guy who’s extremely loyal to his players and coaches He’ll never talk bad about any of them. These guys respect that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: Coaches get criticized all the time. Not sure what you are talking about? Don't need to look far. The national media destroyed the coach next door since week 8 Obviously im talking about a coach that's not being criticized, and based on Bowles and not some next door coach im giving my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: But Bowles does not deserve any credit from getting this team to 5 wins. McCown was expected to be as bad as petty, wasn’t even a lock to win #1. If Petty was qb all season, this team doesn’t win more than 2 games. If anything Morton deserves more credit among coaching staff. Very perplexing POV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I really don't know what to make of him because I think this team had 2-3 win talent and he led them to 5, so he does deserve some kind of credit. But I can't name anything that he's good at and some decisions he makes are just perplexing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said: Obviously im talking about a coach that's not being criticized, and based on Bowles and not some next door coach im giving my opinion. No I get that. Just saying this "fraternity" criticized MacAdoo and other coaches in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said: He’s a good guy who’s extremely loyal to his players and coaches He’ll never talk bad about any of them. These guys respect that That is a good trait to have if you are player. Doesn’t mean much to fans who care about winning more, skill of coaching, instead of player treatment ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: No I get that. Just saying this "fraternity" criticized MacAdoo and other coaches in the league Maybe MacAdoo isnt part of the "fraternity" because he didnt play college and professional football and establish the same type of bond that I was talking about in my initial statement. But I can be wrong. Nothing worth debating over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 They love hue jackson too. Hue has coached 3 seasons. Went 8-8, 1-15 and 0-16. Some guys just find this niche where people cant see the obvious. Both hue jackson and todd bowles are dreadful head coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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