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Todd Bowles‘ harsh message for the Jets: Get angry

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Some lowlights from the article:

-Bowles is going to try to tell players this offseason that just playing a team close isn’t good enough next year. 

-Jermaine Kearse basically admitted the Jets felt like it was a pat on the back getting to 5 wins in a season where there was 0-16 talk.  

-The Jets ranked 28th in total offense and 25th in total defense. They were 28th in the NFL in sacks (28) and were dead last in punt return average (4.5 yards). They were outscored 139-67 in the final quarter of games and were 1-7 away from MetLife Stadium.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/01/todd-bowles-harsh-message-for-jets-get-angry/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

“It’s just a no-excuse business,” Bowles said. “You win games or you don’t. It’s not 5-11, but you played a couple of games close. It’s not so-and-so got hurt or so-and-so wasn’t here. You win in spite of, and that’s the only thing I was trying to convey going into the offseason.”

It seemed like many players were content this season to play close games and to win more games than members of the media predicted. Bowles said that was not the case, but the way players spoke after games recently conveys a different message. There was satisfaction about not being 0-16 instead of disappointment about being one of the worst teams in the NFL at 5-11.

“I think that is definitely a trap,” wide receiver Jermaine Kearse said. “Outside sources, the expectations of us going 0-16 and we win five games and it almost kind of feels like a pat on the back, but it’s a false reality. It’s a false sense of confidence because ultimately we are 5-11, and that’s not going to cut it in this league. … We can’t fall into that trap of thinking this was a success because we surpassed the 0-16 expectation. In reality, we are 5-11 and we missed the playoffs, and that’s not where we want to be.”

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The Jets had issues all over the field that contributed to their losing season. They finished the season ranked 28th in total offense and 25th in total defense. They were 28th in the NFL in sacks (28) and were dead last in punt return average (4.5 yards). They also blew fourth-quarter leads repeatedly, getting outscored 139-67 in the final quarter of games. The Jets were a terrible road team, going 1-7 away from MetLife Stadium.

 

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So basically after 3 seasons as our HC, Bowles is finally conveying to the players that they need to not use excuses and not be satisfied with competitive losses.  Though, of course, this is a message coming from a coach who surrenders games.

I’m just so thrilled that we have “stability” with this guy. Ugh!

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The 0-16 story was a media lead nonscene, that a lot of us bought into.

The acceptance of being poor has been to strong in the franchise has a whole.

We have an chance to grab a QB this year, and patch some holes in FA. This team should be competitive in 2018. Even Todd gets it. 

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2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

It seemed like many players were content this season to play close games and to win more games than members of the media predicted. Bowles said that was not the case, but the way players spoke after games recently conveys a different message. There was satisfaction about not being 0-16 instead of disappointment about being one of the worst teams in the NFL at 5-11.

“I think that is definitely a trap,” wide receiver Jermaine Kearse said. “Outside sources, the expectations of us going 0-16 and we win five games and it almost kind of feels like a pat on the back, but it’s a false reality. It’s a false sense of confidence because ultimately we are 5-11, and that’s not going to cut it in this league. … We can’t fall into that trap of thinking this was a success because we surpassed the 0-16 expectation. In reality, we are 5-11 and we missed the playoffs, and that’s not where we want to be.”

Nobody tell @UnitedWhofans

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36 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

How many wins SHOULD  a team that is 28th in offense AND 25th in defense win?

The Browns were 24th in offense and 14th in defense.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Goes to show that raw numbers don't mean anything. The only stats that matters is the W. In the words of The late Al Davis "just win baby".

Not bad Al Davis and Mark Twain in the same post :-)

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Maybe the question here is why was the team 25th in total defense after drafting defensive players in the 1st round for 10 straight years and having a defensive-focused head coach.  

No worries though.  We can fix it by taking another defensive player in the 1st round next year.

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34 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Certainly no moral victories but after the way the team played in 2016 I'd say the needle is trending upward. I mean this sorta seems like the stereotypical response to "were you happy with your 5 win season?" That answer should always be no.

2016: 5-11

2017: 5-11

”The needle is trending upward”

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24 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Goes to show that raw numbers don't mean anything. The only stats that matters is the W. In the words of The late Al Davis "just win baby".

Not bad Al Davis and Mark Twain in the same post :-)

Not bad! lol

Even so, if someone told you a team would be 28th in offense and 25th in defense, how many wins would you say that team would have at the end of the year?

If someone had said 0, would you say, "Please, that is only a fabrication, total nonsense, to serve your own narrative, Sir. I bid you good day, for I do not associate with liars." (why you have turned 19th Century British in this scenario, I have no idea)

 

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54 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

How many wins SHOULD  a team that is 28th in offense AND 25th in defense win?

The Browns were 24th in offense and 14th in defense.

Who coached them to 28 and 25?  And how many 1st rounders on that defense?  And Bowles is a “defensive specialist”

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13 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Maybe the question here is why was the team 25th in total defense after drafting defensive players in the 1st round for 10 straight years and having a defensive-focused head coach.  

No worries though.  We can fix it by taking another defensive player in the 1st round next year.

THIS.  The Jets should have AT LEAST a top half of the league defense after drafting defense in the first round for the last decade.  This GM and coach are responsible for 3 of them.  Where's the progress?  Who is being held accountable for this? 

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5 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Some lowlights from the article:

-Bowles is going to try to tell players this offseason that just playing a team close isn’t good enough next year. 

-Jermaine Kearse basically admitted the Jets felt like it was a pat on the back getting to 5 wins in a season where there was 0-16 talk.  

-The Jets ranked 28th in total offense and 25th in total defense. They were 28th in the NFL in sacks (28) and were dead last in punt return average (4.5 yards). They were outscored 139-67 in the final quarter of games and were 1-7 away from MetLife Stadium.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/01/todd-bowles-harsh-message-for-jets-get-angry/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

“It’s just a no-excuse business,” Bowles said. “You win games or you don’t. It’s not 5-11, but you played a couple of games close. It’s not so-and-so got hurt or so-and-so wasn’t here. You win in spite of, and that’s the only thing I was trying to convey going into the offseason.”

It seemed like many players were content this season to play close games and to win more games than members of the media predicted. Bowles said that was not the case, but the way players spoke after games recently conveys a different message. There was satisfaction about not being 0-16 instead of disappointment about being one of the worst teams in the NFL at 5-11.

“I think that is definitely a trap,” wide receiver Jermaine Kearse said. “Outside sources, the expectations of us going 0-16 and we win five games and it almost kind of feels like a pat on the back, but it’s a false reality. It’s a false sense of confidence because ultimately we are 5-11, and that’s not going to cut it in this league. … We can’t fall into that trap of thinking this was a success because we surpassed the 0-16 expectation. In reality, we are 5-11 and we missed the playoffs, and that’s not where we want to be.”

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The Jets had issues all over the field that contributed to their losing season. They finished the season ranked 28th in total offense and 25th in total defense. They were 28th in the NFL in sacks (28) and were dead last in punt return average (4.5 yards). They also blew fourth-quarter leads repeatedly, getting outscored 139-67 in the final quarter of games. The Jets were a terrible road team, going 1-7 away from MetLife Stadium.

 

This is exactly what I have been saying, impression I have felt Bowles has turned losing and moral victories into a prideful thing. Kearse comes from a actual winning organization so he knows how potentially dangerous it is to accept a toxic a loser environment Bowles has allowed and encouraged. 

  Coaching so conservatively when you are in the rare position to just go for it, take more chances. What is the worst that can happen ? You lose by 30 instead of 20? You lose 4 games instead of 5 ? Lol. Or maybe we actually could have stole another win. Either way by coaching that way you are at least driving in players heads it’s better to try to always win, instead of Bowles motto “ I am proud with jets just “ hanging in games “ despite losing. Even the last game of the season, your down by 3 touchdowns  late in game and your kicking FGs ?. Can’t let hackenberg play because “ we don’t know if he can play. “ Bowles said ?. He may ruin the “ only losing by 20 points to the patriots moral victory “ Bowles was going for. The pats barely played above half speed. They are bragging for shutting down gronk they double teamed all day making it easy for tom go hit other guys. But hey we denied him his bonus so be proud ??

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4 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

The 0-16 story was a media lead nonscene, that a lot of us bought into.

The acceptance of being poor has been to strong in the franchise has a whole.

We have an chance to grab a QB this year, and patch some holes in FA. This team should be competitive in 2018. Even Todd gets it. 

Oh you had me hooked until the line that says "Even Todd gets it"

I wouldn't bet my Cleveland Jets helmet on his getting anything

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18 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

THIS.  The Jets should have AT LEAST a top half of the league defense after drafting defense in the first round for the last decade.  This GM and coach are responsible for 3 of them.  Where's the progress?  Who is being held accountable for this? 

Bowles and Mac are being held accountable by being given 2 year extensions silly.

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1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

So you prefer the 2016 roster with no cap space or extra picks? Have to say that has me a little perplexed.

Exactly. Look, 5-11 is 5-11. We all get it. But going 5-11 with a young roster, tons of cap space and 3 picks in the top 47 in the 2018 draft is far better than going 5-11 with an aging, win-now roster. 

In the end, this conversation is pointless. Bowles is coming back. The team will have PLENTY of talent heading into next year and anything short of a playoff appearance will be seen as a failure for Bowles and his staff. 

All we have in these threads are the irrational haters, that will whine about Bowles every day for the next year because it makes them feel better and then guys like us that may not love Bowles, but think that he deserves a chance to show us what he can do with a young/talented 2018 Roster that no longer has the holes the 2017 Roster had. 

 

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10 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Exactly. Look, 5-11 is 5-11. We all get it. But going 5-11 with a young roster, tons of cap space and 3 picks in the top 47 in the 2018 draft is far better than going 5-11 with an aging, win-now roster. 

In the end, this conversation is pointless. Bowles is coming back. The team will have PLENTY of talent heading into next year and anything short of a playoff appearance will be seen as a failure for Bowles and his staff. 

All we have in these threads are the irrational haters, that will whine about Bowles every day for the next year because it makes them feel better and then guys like us that may not love Bowles, but think that he deserves a chance to show us what he can do with a young/talented 2018 Roster that no longer has the holes the 2017 Roster had. 

 

Haters, sure there are some. But it's not irrational at all. 

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1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

So you prefer the 2016 roster with no cap space or extra picks? Have to say that has me a little perplexed.

Yes I’d rather be in this year’s cap and draft situation.  But keep in mind:

The last time we had cap space, we went on a spending spree for the secondary and signed players like Buster Skrine and Darrelle Revis.  

The last time we had a lot of draft picks, John Idzik got himself fired.

Also if we want to trade for a QB, our draft situation both this year and next year is going to look a lot less desirable. 

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2 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Not bad! lol

Even so, if someone told you a team would be 28th in offense and 25th in defense, how many wins would you say that team would have at the end of the year?

If someone had said 0, would you say, "Please, that is only a fabrication, total nonsense, to serve your own narrative, Sir. I bid you good day, for I do not associate with liars." (why you have turned 19th Century British in this scenario, I have no idea)

 

Well you've gone all King Lear on us, so why not!

I'd say that the 32nd Best O, and 32nd best D Team would go 0-16. I'd also say off your Metric, that on average that makes us the 6th worst Team in the league. So it's right, we are the 6th Worst team in the league. The Offence was a little better until McCown was injured.

 

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3 hours ago, ChuckkieB said:

THIS.  The Jets should have AT LEAST a top half of the league defense after drafting defense in the first round for the last decade.  This GM and coach are responsible for 3 of them.  Where's the progress?  Who is being held accountable for this? 

They both got extended, what else do you want?

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Get Angry should be the motto of the season ticket holders especially the fans paying the PSL fees, another season goes by and the outcome isn't a good one.  Talk is cheap free agency, many picks in the draft. Actions speak louder than words. Put up or shut up. 

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8 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

So basically after 3 seasons as our HC, Bowles is finally conveying to the players that they need to not use excuses and not be satisfied with competitive losses.  Though, of course, this is a message coming from a coach who surrenders games.

I’m just so thrilled that we have “stability” with this guy. Ugh!

Exactly. This is why watching the media pretend as if jets fans who wanted Bowles out is somehow crazy is beyond me. 

 

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