If Gruden is worth 100mm, what is Belichick worth?

[Maxman]

Seriously think about it. Belichick would have to be worth 250 million dollars if you're grading him on that scale.

[jetstream23]

[flgreen]

With out Brady?

 

[prime21]

I think the Raiders are nuts but don't think teams will follow this route with coaches.  To answer your question he would be worth at least twice as much as Gruden which would mean 200 million but I'm sure he would "settle" for 150  

[Anthony Jet]

27 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Seriously think about it. Belichick would have to be worth 250 million dollars if you're grading him on that scale.

He got 100 million?

[usapaw]

8 minutes ago, flgreen said:

With out Brady?

 

Hard to argue his record in NE with or without TB? I am not very fond of him but he would demand a king's ransom.  

[SenorGato]

1 minute ago, Anthony Jet said:

He got 100 million?

Over 10 years, tomayto tomahtoe

[Joe W. Namath]

Coaches dont count against the salary cap so he is worth it.  Who cares whats coming out of the owners pocket.

[De-Jet-Erate/Duane]

4 hours ago, Maxman said:

Seriously think about it. Belichick would have to be worth 250 million dollars if you're grading him on that scale.

Just because the Raiders are paying him that does not mean that is what he is worth.

I know what I paid for my season tickets this year and don't think they were worth it.

[HighPitch]

Bellicheck is then worth 250. Crazy.

oh and bellicheck is the reason for their success. Tommy helped, no doubt but hes not above the coach

[Kleckineau]

Who on earth would question this mans decision making?

[Jet_Engine1]

13 minutes ago, Pequod said:

You folks are so obsessed with all about the Patriots. .

And yet here YOU are, posting on a New York Jets website.

Hmm. 

[Pequod]

Hmmm, I suggest you look at the Patriots forums, crickets about the Jets. Why So?

[Kleckineau]

14 minutes ago, Pequod said:

Hmmm, I suggest you look at the Patriots forums, crickets about the Jets. Why So?

Weak stuff man, You are repping a dynasty and this is all you got? 

[Maxman]

On 1/6/2018 at 4:20 PM, Pequod said:

Hmmm, I suggest you look at the Patriots forums, crickets about the Jets. Why So?

Because they are too busy obsessing over how great the Yankees are.

[JetPotato]

Bill Belichick isn't worth the dirt he'll be buried in some day.

[Jetsplayer21]

On 1/6/2018 at 10:58 AM, flgreen said:

With out Brady?

 

I think that is what Brady is worth without B.B. ha. Let’s break em all up and find out ?

[Better2bgreenthanblue]

Belli knows Kraft can't pay him 100M they need the cash to stuff envelopes headed to league officials.

[JetFaninMI]

 

On 1/6/2018 at 4:20 PM, Pequod said:

Hmmm, I suggest you look at the Patriots forums, crickets about the Jets. Why So?

Who gives a Fu@#? The real question is why are you on a Ny Jets forum? I bet its because its crickets all around on those Patriots forums and you got bored huh? Poor Baby. Go home now, thanks.

 

 

[jgb]

[Jet Life]

300M

[Fantasy Island]

Bellichik is worth :

[j4jets]

On 1/6/2018 at 10:06 AM, prime21 said:

I think the Raiders are nuts but don't think teams will follow this route with coaches.  To answer your question he would be worth at least twice as much as Gruden which would mean 200 million but I'm sure he would "settle" for 150  

You only need one contract to reset the baseline. 

[nyjunc]

Jon Gruden helped turn a journeyman into an NFL at QB and he made a conference championship game w/ him, he then won a SB w/ Brad Johnson.  Bill Belichick has never even reached a conf title game w/o Tom Brady at QB, has a career record well under .500 w/o Brady, 5 losing seasons in 7 seasons so without Tom Brady at QB I'd say he's worthless.

[Hael]

He is by far the best coach in the league..  A top three defensive mind, a top three offensive mind and a top three special teams mind.  No one in the league has that sort of balance.

He’s also a top five GM as well, routinely scoring well above average drafts year in and year out despite picking last almost every year.  He almost never screws the team with bad contracts and knows when to cut bait.  Also his players fit the system and are always put in the right position to excel.

Then it’s all woven together seamlessly and players are allowed to develop without too much media noise.

We won’t see this level of excellence top to bottom again for quite a long time once he’s retired.  It’s just almost impossible to keep it together in this day and age of huge contracts.

[nycdan]

So if Gruden is worth $100MM...what is Bowles worth?

[greenwichjetfan]

27 minutes ago, Hael said:

He is by far the best coach in the league..  A top three defensive mind, a top three offensive mind and a top three special teams mind.  No one in the league has that sort of balance.

He’s also a top five GM as well, routinely scoring well above average drafts year in and year out despite picking last almost every year.  He almost never screws the team with bad contracts and knows when to cut bait.  Also his players fit the system and are always put in the right position to excel.

Then it’s all woven together seamlessly and players are allowed to develop without too much media noise.

We won’t see this level of excellence top to bottom again for quite a long time once he’s retired.  It’s just almost impossible to keep it together in this day and age of huge contracts.

Easily the greatest tactician in the game. His ability to maximize the benefit of every single player and situation over 18 years is uncanny. Even the times where he made mistakes like bad signings or play calls, he minimized their negative impacts on the team and is the first to change. 

Bill Walsh might be the greatest innovator the game has seen, but no one has done more under the current league constraints than Belichick. He adopted analytic reasoning by employing Ernie Adams way before the rest of the league even knew what  an "advanced statistics" was. He knows every single rule in the game, and how each one can be bent. It's unbelievable. I used to hate him. Now I'm just jealous. 

Belichick > Brady. Even in today's NFL, no QB is larger than the team. Brady wasn't out on the field playing the unheralded defense or ST which were the driving forces behind the pats success. He's not making the kicks to win these games, whereas other QBs have put teams in position to win only to have the kicker miss. He's not the one devising ways to stop some incredible offenses in a league constantly changing to benefit offenses. He's not keeping the locker room intact and creating synergies and complimentary football. He's out there playing one position out of 22. The years that they put everything on Brady's arm, they struggled to reach the super bowl, and when they did, they were held to just 14 points both times. I've already outlined the false narrative that Brady is the all-time clutch QB in another thread. Hes been great, but the narrative that he's the reason for those Super Bowl wins is false. He's certainly deserving of the 5 rings and 7 super bowl appearances...no one can take those from him, just as no one can take away Terry Bradshaw's four rings. However, those who think Brady is more important to this dynasty than Belichick can't see the forest through the trees. They see the HGH stuffed 6th round system QB on the field playing in games that are constantly slanted in his favor due to fantastic schemes and gameplans, and they absorb it without thinking critically on their own. Brady may be the cog in the engine, but step back to see the bigger picture, and you realize Belichick is the engine.

[nyjunc]

This great tactician has been a mediocre defensive coach w/o the greatest defensive player in league history and a failure of a HC w/o the greatest QB to ever play.

Bill Belichick as a HC without Tom Brady:

7+ seasons

54-63 record, 46%

ONE WC playoff app

ONE WC playoff win

5 LOSING seasons

most games won in a season? 11

Bill Belichick with Tom Brady as HC:

196-55, 78%

16 seasons

15 division titles

25 playoff wins

5 Super Bowl wins

7 conf titles

12 title game apps

times won MORE than 11 games in a season? TWELVE

 

average D ranking as DC w/ LT and the Giants 1985-1990: 4.8

average D ranking as DC or HC: 16.7

1991-1995 Browns: 15

1997-1999 Jets: 17.3

2000-2017 Pats: 17

 

Super Bowl 36, Bill's D became the first D EVER to blow a double digit 4th qtr lead(blew 14 pt 4th qtr lead) before Brady rescued them

Super Bowl 38, Bill's D became the SECOND D ever to blow a double digit 4th qtr lead(blew 11 pt 4th qtr lead) before Brady rescued them.

In the 2 SB losses Brady left the field late w/ a lead and Bill's Ds allowed mediocre offenses led by mediocre QB to beat them TWICE.  The difference btw SBs 36 & 38 and the 2 losses? when the D blew the late lead they didn't give Brady enough time to come back.

 

did you know that Brady's Ds allowed more playoff points per game than the Colts/Broncos D's Manning played with?

NE D's in playoffs w/ Brady:

allowed 679 points in 34 games: 20 PPG

Indy/Den D's in playoffs w/ Manning:

allowed 519 points in 27 games: 19.2 PPG and these #s include a bunch of OT losses so in regulation it's even further against NE's "great D's"

how could this be? the crappy Manning D's against the legendary Bill Belichick D's? it must be the great bronco D's that skewed this:

In Indy his D's allowed 18.4 PPG

do we also remember the great Belichick D that blew a 10 point 2nd half lead in the 1998 AFC Championship Game? the D that after we went up 10-0 gave up a 3 play TD drive by Denver to completely change that game.

 

Now let's look at some QBs w/ and w/o the great tactician:

Bernie Kosar: made THREE AFC Championship games in Cleveland the 5 years before BB got to Cleveland and Kosar was ONLY 28 when BB took mover.  w/ BB? 6-10

Tomczak: 21-10 in Chi, started playoff games in 3 postseasons and won PO games in 2 of them(just like Eli!). was 4-4 as starter under BB

Vinny: led BB to only playoff app, a WC berth. won one playoff game.  Vinny made the playoffs twice w/ us including leading us to an AFC Championship Game.

Bledsoe: Reached SB w/ NE and 4 playoff apps.  w/ BB? 5-13 as a starter.

Matt Cassell: took over UNDEFEATED NE team, led them to 10-5 record w/ him starting.  Sounds nice but losing 5 more games against MUCH easier schedule isn't very good.

vs. playoff teams in 2007 w/ Brady: 6-0, avg. points per game? 39

vs. playoff teams in 2008 w/o Brady: 2-4, avg. points per game? 24

playoff teams they played in both 2007 and 2008:

2007 beat SD 38-14, 2008 lost 30-10

2007 Indy beat 24-20, 2008 lost 18-15

2007 Pitt beat 34-13, 2008 lost 33-10

 

vs. AFC East:

2007 beat Miami 77-35 in 2 games, 2008 split w/ Miami scoring 66 and NE scoring 61.  From +42 to -5

2007 beat Buffalo 94-17 in 2 games , 2008 beat Buffalo 33-10 in 2 games.  +77 to +23

2007 beat NYJ 58-24, 2008 split w/ Jets scoring 41 and NE scoring 50.  +34 to +9

 

oh and by the way, the 2008 pats w/ Cassell MISSED the playoffs, In KC he would become a pro bowl QB and lead KC to a division title.

 

 

The master tactician is NOTHING w/o LT and Brady. Tom Brady IS the system, the system w/o Tom Brady resulted in failure for BB as a HC and failure for all the assistants Brady made look good that tried to be HCs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[greenwichjetfan]

As I said: Can't see the forest through the trees. It's as if it's impossible that Brady happens to fit Belichick's system of throwing with unbelievable accuracy, timing, and a low turnover rate. As if Brady came up with the great schemes that focused on hitting the short underneath digs/crosses/z outs from short, quick receivers while all time greats like Moss and Gronk cleared out the short middle of the field. Obviously QB is the most important position in team sports, and maybe Bledsoe and Bernie weren't doing it for Belichick's system, but Brady is. Why is that not a possibility? Like if 100% of the credit isn't given to Brady, certain posters such as nujunc can't handle it. Yet, this same poster touts Sanchez as some great QB, calls Peyton a product of Dungy's "great" coaching, and thinks Eli and Brett Favre are scrubs.

I can play that game too. What was Brady before Belichick, Ernie Adams, and Guerrero? Oh, a backup QB on Michigan who almost went undrafted. Great, does that mean he's not an all time great? Of course not.

There is a world where Brady fits perfectly into Belichick's system, and is only responsible for being the QB of a 53 man team where everyone is responsible to "do your job". There is a world where Brady didn't play against every other team by himself for the past 18 years. That's this world. Again, Belichick is the engine. Brady is the cog that makes it go.

[nyjunc]

He had Moss at his peak for ONE season and Moss was not Moss for a long time until he got to Brady.  He won a SB last year after Gronk got hurt, he made a championship game w/ no run game and Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his main weapons, he won 3 SBs w/ Troy Brown as his #1.

Brady had a damnd good college career, he was in the middle of the overhyped Drew Henson who held him back.

The bottom line is this, if it was the system BB would have had success w/ any QB who threw in there and that's clearly not the case.  Tom Brady IS THE SYSTEM.  BB would be a DC somewhere today if not for Tom Brady.

The NE dynasty is all about Brady, it's why BB and all his assistants that got HC jobs were all fired failures w/o him and all look great with him.

[greenwichjetfan]

39 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

He had Moss at his peak for ONE season and Moss was not Moss for a long time until he got to Brady.  He won a SB last year after Gronk got hurt, he made a championship game w/ no run game and Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his main weapons, he won 3 SBs w/ Troy Brown as his #1.

Brady had a damnd good college career, he was in the middle of the overhyped Drew Henson who held him back.

The bottom line is this, if it was the system BB would have had success w/ any QB who threw in there and that's clearly not the case.  Tom Brady IS THE SYSTEM.  BB would be a DC somewhere today if not for Tom Brady.

The NE dynasty is all about Brady, it's why BB and all his assistants that got HC jobs were all fired failures w/o him and all look great with him.

Ok, agree to disagree. No one will ever convince me that Brady played 1 vs. 53 and was responsible for building and maintaining a competitive roster and gameplanning to stop some of the best offenses in league history for the past 17 years. And not for nothing, but if he didn't have Adam Vinatieri there to kick those field goals in Oak and the first three super bowls, those teams would have been forgotten. Simpletons remember winners, and specifically, the winning QB because that's the easiest to see and that's the narrative that sports writers like to create because it's marketable. That's fine for you.

[HighPitch]

On 1/6/2018 at 3:10 PM, Kleckineau said:

Who on earth would question this mans decision making?

Whos that? 

[Kleckineau]

Just now, HighPitch said:

Whos that? 

He owns the Raiders.

No really..........

[HighPitch]

He butt ugly geez

[The Crusher]

Ones soul.