The Walrus Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, RoadFan said: I hate the word "develop." A coach can only do so much. Barring a horrible environment, the good ones come out on top because of their own talent and drive. A coach can help make an average QB a little better, or maybe tweak some things to take a good QB and make him very good. Totally agree with this. The greats at any job, professional QB, lawyer, working in a warehouse, are self starters and study what is required of them and work on the tools and training that are required. They don't need to be hand held to do it. Brady was going to be good regardless of Belichick. Marino was going to be good regardless of Shula. Rodgers was going to be good regardless of McCarthy. IMO, Peyton Manning is a good example of taking total responsibility of your job and hard work. The guy to me has no more talent than any other QB I've seen. But he just worked and worked and worked his way to being a great QB all his life. So I agree with what you say about 'develop'. People's attitude to their job and how much responsibility they take in getting better is the meat. Coaching at the NFL level is just the topping. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said: The Article mentions that Bates or Dephilipo May then get the OC job. Does this mean we might actually be drafting a young QB? it looks like bowles may actually realize that now that he got a tenuous extension, the way to get another one is to get competent offensive coaches to make him look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 McCown played the best football of his career, at 38, with no big name talent around him and an awful line in front of him. Why on earthhhh would Morton go?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: McCown played the best football of his career, at 38, with no big name talent around him and an awful line in front of him. Why on earthhhh would Morton go?? We were 5-11 as a team who the hell cares about personal accolades if McCown didn't suck so bad his entire career this years numbers wouldn't be so monumental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan39 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 manish must be laughing his butt off. he makes a statement without facts, just his opinion and has jet nation in an uproar. only jet fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: We were 5-11 as a team who the hell cares about personal accolades if McCown didn't suck so bad his entire career this years numbers wouldn't be so monumental. Look at the roster! OF course we were, McCown numbers are his numbers this year, one of the most accurate Qb's in the league. I'm talking about this year, you are entitled to your own opinion not your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I love the fact that they want to give the job to Bates. And Bates doesn't want it. Awesome. 2 hours ago, RESNewYork said: Is Bruce Arians possible? I mentioned that in another thread. He does have ties to NJ and Bowles, but he has way more success too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I love the fact that they want to give the job to Bates. And Bates doesn't want it. Awesome. I mentioned that in another thread. He does have ties to NJ and Bowles, but he has way more success too. unless he thinks he'll be working hands on with a new qb, but still..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 What bothers me about this if true is that the Jets either like Morton enough to commit to him or they don't. Don't keep him here and then fish around talking to other guys to see if they're interested, it's dysfunctional and only creates animosity amongst the coaching staff. How committed do you think Morton will be to the organization if he does stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I love the fact that they want to give the job to Bates. And Bates doesn't want it. Awesome. I mentioned that in another thread. He does have ties to NJ and Bowles, but he has way more success too. Bowles did mention in an interview that he expects Arians to be around during training camp to work with the offense, which may also explain how he feels about Morton even more. Morton can't be happy about that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, drsamuel84 said: Bowles did mention in an interview that he expects Arians to be around during training camp to work with the offense, which may also explain how he feels about Morton even more. Morton can't be happy about that either. I would take Bruce Arians in a heartbeat over John Morton at OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, flgreen said: C'mon folks, this is based on a Mehta story Which means Woody is somewhere in England googling “John Morton” and scheduling a press conference to announce his firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, RoadFan said: The New York Jets really are something to behold. Morton orchestrates a career year from Josh McCown, and Morton is the coach that might not be back. Who knows the reasons... what difference does it make anyway? Some of the people at Florham Park redefine the word incompetent. We are headed to 15-20 year drought with 0 playoff appearances until Woody dies or sells the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 58 minutes ago, rangerous said: bright spot? they averaged about 19 ppg? c'mon, even the 2016 jets managed that. i'm not a morton hater at all. the team needs better offensive players especially at qb and center but he also didn't play to petty's strengths, as limited as they may be. The offense is made up of midround picks and undrafted players. All things considered, they overachieved. Contrast that with the defense, which is littered with first round picks largely sucked. Morton is the least of our problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, The Crusher said: OMG aint you even heard of subtraction by subtraction? Fixed. Morton was a solid OC last year. Meanwhile, Kacy Rogers still has a job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, sourceworx said: The offense is made up of midround picks and undrafted players. All things considered, they overachieved. Contrast that with the defense, which is littered with first round picks largely sucked. Morton is the least of our problems. Not saying Morton deserves all this praise but how is he the only guy in this regime getting fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 it's time to take a deep breath and understand this a maneesh story. he's just stirring up the bs again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The way I see it: To the limited extent Hack and Petty were drafted to fit into an offense, it was not Morton's. Bowles wanted DeFillipo and and probably others, and Morton was somewhat of a consolation prize. All that being said, Morton did a very good job with the Jets offense this year and overachieved. He earned himself another chance in the NFL. But Mac needed to bring in McCown to run Morton's offense, because Hack and Petty were not going to. Only a fraction of the draftable QBs this year are likely fits for Morton's offense. In fact, given the way college football is working today, the WCO is likely a harder fit with new QBs. Mayfield yes, Allen no. So maybe, albeit late, Bowles feels that he can bring in an OC that runs an offense he likes better, and one that is more adaptable to the young QBs coming out of college today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, RoadFan said: The New York Jets really are something to behold. Morton orchestrates a career year from Josh McCown, and Morton is the coach that might not be back. Who knows the reasons... what difference does it make anyway? Some of the people at Florham Park redefine the word incompetent. Well, and I will preface this by saying I dont believe it, if Morton is actually the one who quit against Denver that would be reason to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Well, and I will preface this by saying I dont believe it, if Morton is actually the one who quit against Denver that would be reason to move on. The problem is it's hard to tell the difference between quitting and incompetence with Bowles and crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Augustiniak said: it looks like bowles may actually realize that now that he got a tenuous extension, the way to get another one is to get competent offensive coaches to make him look good. What the heck is a "tenuous extension"? All the money is guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, rangerous said: bright spot? they averaged about 19 ppg? c'mon, even the 2016 jets managed that. i'm not a morton hater at all. the team needs better offensive players especially at qb and center but he also didn't play to petty's strengths, as limited as they may be. Bro you know 16 offense was not as bad as this 1. Outside of McCown that is. Quincy, decker, Marshall, healthier forte. I know Marshall wasn’t around long. But still better options. And what was the ave ppg before Petty ? lol. We definately had one of the weakest ranked offenses in the entire nfl going into this yr. Some how Morton and McCown kept closwr toward the middle of the pack than bottom. Meanwhile Todd Bowles gets everything he asks for in draft,FA on D and they still get creamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 When the team is ranked 26th in the NFL in rushing why would you continue to pound the rock. Morton did relatively well this year considering what he had to work with. If it wasn't for Powell's big yd runs throughout the year they would be ranked even lower. He had good success with Mc Cown, his best season in his career so kudos to him for what he did. IMO dumping him would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: We were 5-11 as a team who the hell cares about personal accolades if McCown didn't suck so bad his entire career this years numbers wouldn't be so monumental. Lol. Yes McCown has sucked pretty much his whole career. Our offense going into 2017 was 1 of the worst ever assembled for an NFL team lol. If you don’t want to give McCown much credit, you gotta give Morton a ton. This team should have won 2 games max. All the experts predicted that. It would have been less of a shock if we went 0-16 than 5-11. This team was set up to fail this yr as a 1 yr “ re-build “ ( tank shhh). Even Mac couldn’t get that right ha. If Petty starts all 16 games we are definitely picking either 1 or 2 overall this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Well Bevell is available.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Give me the good plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: I would take Bruce Arians in a heartbeat over Todd Bowles at HC Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 How about a HC & DC change???... It looked like the OC was the Only one working this season.... this also smells like job security on bowles' part. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, rangerous said: bright spot? they averaged about 19 ppg? c'mon, even the 2016 jets managed that. i'm not a morton hater at all. the team needs better offensive players especially at qb and center but he also didn't play to petty's strengths, as limited as they may be. I seriously doubt Morton was the "issue" w/Petty... it looked liked bowles had much more of a hand in that than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Look at the roster! OF course we were, McCown numbers are his numbers this year, one of the most accurate Qb's in the league. I'm talking about this year, you are entitled to your own opinion not your own facts. 58 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: Lol. Yes McCown has sucked pretty much his whole career. Our offense going into 2017 was 1 of the worst ever assembled for an NFL team lol. If you don’t want to give McCown much credit, you gotta give Morton a ton. This team should have won 2 games max. All the experts predicted that. It would have been less of a shock if we went 0-16 than 5-11. This team was set up to fail this yr as a 1 yr “ re-build “ ( tank shhh). Even Mac couldn’t get that right ha. If Petty starts all 16 games we are definitely picking either 1 or 2 overall this draft. 5-11 no playoffs is a fact, this deserves zero credit or accolades. The NY Jets were one of the worst football teams in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Looks like the panthers chose Norv... http://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/10/report-says-panthers-have-already-settled-on-norv-turner/ Latest Panthers NewsReport says Panthers have already settled on Norv Turner 4.1kSHARES SHARE TWEET EMAIL By: Tim Weaver | 10 hours ago The Carolina Panthers may be moving fast to replace offensive coordinator Mike Shula, who was fired yesterday along with quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey. According to a report by Sporting News via Yahoo Sports, the team has decided to bring in Norv Turner as their next play-caller. Panthers coach Ron Rivera is turning to a longtime mentor to be his new offensive coordinator: Norv Turner. A source confirmed to Sporting News on Tuesday that Turner will replace Mike Shula, who was fired earlier in the day in the aftermath of Carolina’s first-round playoff loss to the Saints. Shula had served as Carolina’s offensive coordinator the past three seasons after being promoted from quarterbacks coach in 2015. Turner has close ties with coach Ron Rivera going a long way back and uses many of the same concepts already in the Panthers’ current playbook. The report states Turner’s son Scott may also be brought on to the coaching staff in a separate position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4.1kSHARES SHARE TWEET EMAIL By: Tim Weaver | 10 hours ago The Carolina Panthers may be moving fast to replace offensive coordinator Mike Shula, who was fired yesterday along with quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey. According to a report by Sporting News via Yahoo Sports, the team has decided to bring in Norv Turner as their next play-caller. Panthers coach Ron Rivera is turning to a longtime mentor to be his new offensive coordinator: Norv Turner. A source confirmed to Sporting News on Tuesday that Turner will replace Mike Shula, who was fired earlier in the day in the aftermath of Carolina’s first-round playoff loss to the Saints. Shula had served as Carolina’s offensive coordinator the past three seasons after being promoted from quarterbacks coach in 2015. Turner has close ties with coach Ron Rivera going a long way back and uses many of the same concepts already in the Panthers’ current playbook. The report states Turner’s son Scott may also be brought on to the coaching staff in a separate position.
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: 5-11 no playoffs is a fact, this deserves zero credit or accolades. The NY Jets were one of the worst football teams in the NFL. So if we had a ton of talent ( just pretend ) lol and we only go 10-6. Make the playoffs but only make it to 2nd round when we were picked to go all the way. Successful season since we made it and even won a playoff game ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Might depend on what happens with the QB spot. If we roll with a vet, maybe we stand pat. If we go the draft angle maybe we switch to a "QB guru." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 hours ago, harts724 said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/10/report-jets-could-still-make-offensive-coordinator-change/ Wrong change, Morton should be held, but Bowles should be gone, and him not wanting the first Jets OC to be successful since the turn of the century back is more proof he is ill equipped to be a HC in this league, and is nothing more then a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: So if we had a ton of talent ( just pretend ) lol and we only go 10-6. Make the playoffs but only make it to 2nd round when we were picked to go all the way. Successful season since we made it and even won a playoff game ? Making the playoffs amounts to some type of success, wouldn't you think regardless of how far you make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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