Greenseed4 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Definite re-signs: CB, Morris Claiborne LB, Demario Davis DL, Mike Pennel ————— Notable FAs: QB, Kirk Cousins C, Ryan Jensen OG, Andrew Norwell TE, Trey Burton DE, Demarcus Lawrence DT, Sheldon Richardson ————— Draft: 1st: DE, Bradley Chubb 2nd: RB, Bryce Love 2nd: OL, Isaiah Wynn 3rd: QB, Luke Falk 4th: WR, Auden Tate 5th: OT ————— “There’s no way he falls to six!” has been our draft mantra for the last two years. In this case, the fans bemoan the pick because we've already spent big money to land Demarcus Lawrence. But alas, now we have TWO elite pass rushing DEs to bookend our pass rushing DTs; welcome back Sheldon! All of this pressure makes our young secondary that much better and makes the decision to draft stud safeties look brilliant, because now they can play...safety. The rest of the focus is on the other line. Upgrading at center and LG in free agency keeps Cousins upright and drafting Wynn in the 2nd relegates our former RG (with a sore tummy) to become an elite depth piece. That Wynn can also play center or tackle gives us tremendous flexibility moving forward should the injury bug strike again. Instead of overspending on Bell, we get our backfield playmaker at the top of the second in Bryce Love. If you haven’t yet, watch him play, he has ELITE speed and gives us another homerun threat to pair with Anderson. He’s a Jamaal Charles type, and just cashed in 19 rushing TDs at Stanford. I like Falk in the third because he reminds me of Kirk Cousins. Tallish, slight framed, but accurate as hell! Letting him learn from his doppelgänger while he gets his NFL body, and heals his broken wrist is a best case scenario for this position, and gives us a plan for the future. I also like the idea of AudenTate if he lasts this long. He’s a big bodied receiver to play opposite Enunwa that would help with run-blocking and red-zones. He didn’t get production or tape playing with a backup QB, but he has a JuJu Smith Schuster skill set. His add would allow us to move Kearse into the slot (where most of his routes end up anyway). I like keeping Anderson as our deep threat (WR4) because I just don’t trust him to not turn thuggy in the off-season. TE Burton would come in and replace ASJ for the same amount of money we already offered the position. Hopefully between him and Leggett we can find someone who doesn’t bobble TDs. The only thing missing is an upgrade at OT and CB. I’m still holding hope for Shell to take that next step, and think we can get by with Beachum for another year. Maybe we sign a few “name” bodies to compete with our plethora of young DBs, but behind our pass rush, it shouldn’t be difficult to get the results we need. ——— Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I’m all about spending but they can’t afford all those guys under these FA conditions. Other teams have money too which is going to: - make it impossible to corner the market to this extent - inflate the prices of mediocre players with some status like Clairborne The Jets’ advantage over the other teams with money is that they have the second most to spend. Unfortunately this doesn’t mean they can go willy nilly, they still have to be extremely specific about the less than handful of starters they will be able to add. This plan is to sign at least 9 middle to upper tier FAs, maybe they get half of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Would love this offseason but it would be a pipe team with the money that some of these guys will be looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, SenorGato said: I’m all about spending but they can’t afford all those guys under these FA conditions. Other teams have money too which is going to: - make it impossible to corner the market to this extent My plan is just like yours, but instead of Le’Veon Bell, I pay that money to Demarcus Lawrence. I then get a top-10 guard instead of a CB, and pay less money to Burton and Jensen, which allows me to add Sheldon back. I’m not going to pretend like I know what the contract numbers vs cap numbers are going to look like, but in my head (and counting on my fingers), I get my 6 players for just under $88M. Cousins (30) Lawrence (18) Jensen (10) Norwell (13) Burton (5) Richardson (12) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: Would love this offseason but it would be a pipe team with the money that some of these guys will be looking for. You may say I’m a dreamer. But I’m not the only one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: My plan is just like yours No, it’s not. You’re not getting those 6 FAs for $88 million either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, SenorGato said: No, it’s not. I mean, clearly my plan is better, but in terms of spending—you say we can’t afford my plan, but your plan for 5 FAs (compared to my 6) costs more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, SenorGato said: No, it’s not. You’re not getting those 6 FAs for $88 million either. Cousins $28 Jensen $10 Norwell $12 Lawrence $17 Sheldon $12 claiborne $8 Davis $7 Pennel $4 Burton $7 = $104 I don't think Cousins hits FA which is what would need to happen in order for this to have a shot at happening haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Cousins is hitting FA. I thougt that topic was long gone but it’ll basically take a miracle for the Redskins to sign him. I think that $104 leaves them with $6 million to sign their whole draft. Doesn’t strike me as possible with the 6th pick. Then there’s that probably all those guys are signing for below market, Norwell and Cousins almost definitely are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 10 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: My plan is just like yours, but instead of Le’Veon Bell, I pay that money to Demarcus Lawrence. I then get a top-10 guard instead of a CB, and pay less money to Burton and Jensen, which allows me to add Sheldon back. I’m not going to pretend like I know what the contract numbers vs cap numbers are going to look like, but in my head (and counting on my fingers), I get my 6 players for just under $88M. Cousins (30) Lawrence (18) Jensen (10) Norwell (13) Burton (5) Richardson (12) Unfortunately i don’t see how the Cowboys let Demarcus Lawrence get anywhere near free agency. There’s a reason top edge rushers never hit the market. You have to draft them. Also Pennel!.....really!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Quote 3rd: QB, Luke Falk First, he won't be there, the Pats will have already taken him in the 2nd. Second, history shows picking a QB outside the first round is a pathway to failure for this franchise. So don't bother, just pick a needed position player instead if QB is filled by Cousins. Leave Hack the backup and spend the draft capital to support Cousins instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I could dig this big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 I get ONE re-do cause Love went back to Stanford, and Demarcus Lawrence is probably not going to hit FA... FAs: QB, Kirk Cousins (30) C, Weston Richburg (8) WR, Jarvis Landry (14) TE, Trey Burton (6) DL, Sheldon Richardson (8) CB, Trumaine Johnson (14) Total: $80M —————— Draft: 1. DE, Bradley Chubb 2a. RB, Sony Michel 2b.QB, Luke Falk 3. OG, Frank Ragnow 4. OT, Brett Toth 6. CB, Jamarcus King 7. DE/OLB, Marquis Haynes On edit: cause I like Landry now, instead of LeVeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Solid effort, but I don't think Tate is lasting until the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Chubb isn’t falling to 6 pennel is a dumb penalty machine claiborne I get resigning but only at a 2 year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 8:30 AM, Warfish said: First, he won't be there, the Pats will have already taken him in the 2nd. Second, history shows picking a QB outside the first round is a pathway to failure for this franchise. So don't bother, just pick a needed position player instead if QB is filled by Cousins. Leave Hack the backup and spend the draft capital to support Cousins instead. Tom Brady and Brett Favre were picked outside first round and they were decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: I get ONE re-do cause Love went back to Stanford, and Lawrence is probably not going to hit FA... FAs: QB, Kirk Cousins C, Weston Richburg RB, LeVeon Bell (ok Gato?) WR, Ryan Grant TE, Trey Burton DL, Sheldon Richardson OLB/DE, Cassius Marsh —————— Draft: 1. DE, Bradley Chubb 2a. OG, Will Hernandez 2b.QB, Luke Falk 3. OG, Frank Ragnow 4. RB, Bo Scarborogh 6. CB, Jamarcus King I think I like Phil's a little better but just replace Love pick w Michel. Would rather spend the cap on Norwell instead of Bell etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 51 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Chubb isn’t falling to 6 pennel is a dumb penalty machine claiborne I get resigning but only at a 2 year deal Why couldn't Chubb fall to 6? Let's just say his combine is great...still...Say browns and Giants qb...colts Barkley....browns took edge last year....broncos qb....that doesn't sound too far fetched even if Chubb keeps his rank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Philc1 said: Tom Brady and Brett Favre were picked outside first round and they were decent You understand, I would hope, that cherry picking the rare two out of a multitude does not prove the point you're trying to make, right? For every Favre, there are a hundred Browning Nagles. For every Brady, three hundred Tajh Boyds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 8 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: I get ONE re-do cause Love went back to Stanford, and Demarcus Lawrence is probably not going to hit FA... FAs: QB, Kirk Cousins (30) C, Weston Richburg (8) WR, Jarvis Landry (14) TE, Trey Burton (6) DL, Sheldon Richardson (8) CB, Trumaine Johnson (14) Total: $80M —————— Draft: 1. DE, Bradley Chubb 2a. RB, Sony Michel 2b.QB, Luke Falk 3. OG, Frank Ragnow 4. OT, Brett Toth 6. CB, Jamarcus King 7. DE/OLB, Marquis Haynes On edit: cause I like Landry now, instead of LeVeon 3 hours ago, HessStation said: I think I like Phil's a little better but just replace Love pick w Michel. Would rather spend the cap on Norwell instead of Bell etc Thanks for the feedback! I swapped out some picks after thinking about it. I agree on Norwell, I just think we go a different direction (bc this is a loaded draft for OL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfansince7 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Chubb isn’t falling to 6 pennel is a dumb penalty machine claiborne I get resigning but only at a 2 year dealDown the stretch Claiborne SUCKED Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 12:42 PM, Greenseed4 said: Definite re-signs: CB, Morris Claiborne LB, Demario Davis DL, Mike Pennel ————— Notable FAs: QB, Kirk Cousins C, Ryan Jensen OG, Andrew Norwell TE, Trey Burton DE, Demarcus Lawrence DT, Sheldon Richardson ————— Draft: 1st: DE, Bradley Chubb 2nd: RB, Bryce Love 2nd: OL, Isaiah Wynn 3rd: QB, Luke Falk 4th: WR, Auden Tate 5th: OT Not the worst. I think resigning 3 people is a little light, and its a pipdream to land all those FAs, but i can appreciate what you were going for. Draft; if we're doing the cousins thing, which i'm not crazy about, I would take Falk as the consolation prize. I'm good with that... Honestly, beside my preference for passing on Cousins, Chubb is the only thing i'm not digging. I'm in the minority but i think he's wayyyy overrated and lacks the burst to be anything more than average in the NFL. Which begs the next question, if not QB.. where is the value exactly at 6?.. Barker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, jetsfansince7 said: Down the stretch Claiborne SUCKED Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app I tried digging in on Claiborne's up and down career when not injuries and per PFF he seems to be a lot better player when only designated to the left side. His last year in Dallas his ranking shot through the roof bc that's the only spot they played him. I don't think that was the case w the Jets and maybe why we saw some good and bad. Plus the Jets didn't manufacturer much of a pass rush this year. Just food for thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfansince7 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I tried digging in on Claiborne's up and down career when not injuries and per PFF he seems to be a lot better player when only designated to the left side. His last year in Dallas his ranking shot through the roof bc that's the only spot they played him. I don't think that was the case w the Jets and maybe why we saw some good and bad. Plus the Jets didn't manufacturer much of a pass rush this year. Just food for thought Good point. I do think he had a nagging foot thing that started mid season Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Paradis said: Not the worst. I think resigning 3 people is a little light, and its a pipdream to land all those FAs, but i can appreciate what you were going for. Draft; if we're doing the cousins thing, which i'm not crazy about, I would take Falk as the consolation prize. I'm good with that... Honestly, beside my preference for passing on Cousins, Chubb is the only thing i'm not digging. I'm in the minority but i think he's wayyyy overrated and lacks the burst to be anything more than average in the NFL. Which begs the next question, if not QB.. where is the value exactly at 6?.. Barker? I changed it up after seeing Love go back to Stanford, and realizing Demarcus Lawrence isn’t going to snif free agency. (Which sucks, cause my whole plan was predicated on having Lawrence AND Chubb). The (3) re-signs are my “definite” keepers, I also like Bass, Ealy, Harrison, Miles, Brooks, and ASJ, but I won’t cry if any of them get away. The new plan includes the following FA... Offense: Cousins, Richburg, Landry, and Burton. Defense: Trumaine Johnson, Richardson Draft: 1. Chubb, DE 2a. Michel, RB 2b. Falk, QB 3. Ragnow, OL 4. Toth, OT 6. King, CB 7. Haynes, Pass Rush Specialist The value at 6 is a good question. We could have our pick of the litter at LT, DE/OLB, WR or CB (though I’m not seeing any lockdown CBs, or blue chip WRs this year). Pass rusher, OT, or QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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