SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Not one QB this postseason is outright the best player on their offense or team anymore. And if I’m being honest it has made for some pretty good football outside of the primetime Saturday night game that no one should have watched anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 You’re going to get crucified for suggesting we don’t have to give away the whole draft to get a top quarterback so we can win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, New York Mick said: You’re going to get crucified for suggesting we don’t have to give away the whole draft to get a top quarterback so we can win. They don't have to give anything away, just pay the man, and draft Barkley at 6. Top 10 O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 That has never been the case, however it is the case if you want to have a shot at the title each year and make the playoffs each year. If your QB is a medium level or worse guy you are not making the playoffs 8 out of 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I think the running game has made a come back but minny and the jags have great defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Probably McCown will win a SB if we give him some weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, flgreen said: They don't have to give anything away, just pay the man, and draft Barkley at 6. Top 10 O With OL in round 2, that could be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, flgreen said: They don't have to give anything away, just pay the man, and draft Barkley at 6. Top 10 O Need to Sign Norwell, cut Carpenter, Sign Jensen and land an OT in R2 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Get back to me when Blake Bortles beats Tom Brady in NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, varjet said: With OL in round 2, that could be right. Maybe grab a C, and T in FA with the $70 M they still have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I wouldn't say that it's coming to an end, but I think teams are now coming back to more rounded attacks and the RB position is mkaing a comeback. Defenses have gotten smaller and quicker so a physical attack is highlighted to fight that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Larz said: I think the running game has made a come back but minny and the jags have great defenses Defense still wins championships in the end. But that doesn’t mean you can have an anemic offense. Game has changed in that aspect but not as much as people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Not one QB this postseason is outright the best player on their offense or team anymore. And if I’m being honest it has made for some pretty good football outside of the primetime Saturday night game that no one should have watched anyway. Umm, Big Ben threw for over 400 yards and five TDs. I think the loss was more on Tomlin and the defense. Jaguars were held to 10 points by the Bills. Steelers were downright stupid this game, both coaching and playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, slats said: Get back to me when Blake Bortles beats Tom Brady in NE. I’m not saying it’s cool to pray your QB is average or better in flashes! You still need good players, including QB! The 15 year thing THO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Still need a QB to have a shot most seasons. You may not need the best player on the field to be your QB but he'll still be the highest paid. Just gotta pay the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Jacksonville and Minnesota have drafted exceptionally well. The Jets havent had a good draft since Mangini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, SenorGato said: I’m not saying it’s cool to pray your QB is average or better in flashes! You still need good players, including QB! The 15 year thing THO According to Football Outsiders Josh McCown had a better QBR than Cousins in 2017, 17th and 19th. Cousins ranked 16th DYAR and 19th DVOA in 2017. His team didn't make it to the playoffs. You want to give him $25MM per? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: According to Football Outsiders Josh McCown had a better QBR than Cousins in 2017. Cousins ranked 16th DYAR and 19th DVOA in 2017. His team didn't make it to the playoffs. You want to give him $25MM per? Do you want to compare yardage gained and Touchdown Ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, Patriot Killa said: Do you want to compare yardage gained and Touchdown Ratio? No, I just want to **** with Gato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Jacksonville and Minnesota have drafted exceptionally well. The Jets havent had a good draft since Mangini. For reference, Mike Maccagnan's 3 draft classes have produced a total of 2 Touchdowns scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, HessStation said: No, I just want to **** with Gato. Gato got shooters out here man. It’s the Kirk Cousins clique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: For reference, Mike Maccagnan's 3 draft classes have produced a total of 2 Touchdowns scored. He's also drafted 1 offensive lineman (in 3 draft classes). Jarvis Harrison, a guard in the 5th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, Patriot Killa said: Gato got shooters out here man. It’s the Kirk Cousins clique. I'm already on record with being ok if they got Cousins. Wouldn't be my first choice but I'm cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 47 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Not one QB this postseason is outright the best player on their offense or team anymore. And if I’m being honest it has made for some pretty good football outside of the primetime Saturday night game that no one should have watched anyway. Bortles keenum foles. Yep real household names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, Matt39 said: Jacksonville and Minnesota have drafted exceptionally well. The Jets havent had a good draft since Mangini. Jacksonville nailed one/two drafts, landed a couple of true elite talents in two of them with Ramsey and Fournette plus stole Cam Robinson. I have liked the Vikings’ drafting for a while. Their pass rushers picks Robinson, Hunter, Griffen, and Barr were predictably money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, HessStation said: According to Football Outsiders Josh McCown had a better QBR than Cousins in 2017, 17th and 19th. Cousins ranked 16th DYAR and 19th DVOA in 2017. His team didn't make the playoffs. You want to give him $25MM per? Ah the career year vs 20 players on IR argument. If you are comparing Cousins to McCown seriously you should be smacked silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, HessStation said: According to Football Outsiders Josh McCown had a better QBR than Cousins in 2017, 17th and 19th. Cousins ranked 16th DYAR and 19th DVOA in 2017. His team didn't make it to the playoffs. You want to give him $25MM per? Now do 2016 and 2015! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: For reference, Mike Maccagnan's 3 draft classes have produced a total of 2 Touchdowns scored. How many have his FA, trades and waiver wires produced? Haha I don't expect Safties, DL, or LBs to have many TDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 This is stupid. Having a franchise QB is what puts you in the playoff conversation every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Yep all you need is ten straight top 10 picks and 6 straight top 5 picks like the Jags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, HessStation said: He's also drafted 1 offensive lineman. Jarvis Harrison, a guard in the 5th round. Shell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, SenorGato said: Jacksonville nailed one/two drafts, landed a couple of true elite talents in two of them with Ramsey and Fournette plus stole Cam Robinson. I have liked the Vikings’ drafting for a while. Their pass rushers picks Robinson, Hunter, Griffen, and Barr were predictably money. Jaksonville has been crushing drafts for 4 straight years. Bortles in 2014 is the red herring unless you look closer and at the situation, it was understandable, Caldwell has, at least, had a plan for 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe Jets fan said: Shell? Dammit, good call Joe. My bad. 1 OG in the 5th 1 OT in the 5th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, jetscrazey said: This is stupid. Having a franchise QB is what puts you in the playoff conversation every year. Now it’s just having a QB THO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Now do 2016 and 2015! No way bc that wouldn't help my argument. I checked lol. Still coming off a meh yr though. just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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