Matt39 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: How many have his FA, trades and waiver wires produced? Haha I don't expect Safties, DL, or LBs to have many TDs You build a roster through the draft. Most of his key signings are long gone. His drafts have been comically bad and there's no indication they're going to get better. You're high picks need to be either throwing touchdowns, scoring touchdowns, sacking the QB or intercepting passes. None of his picks have done any of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, HessStation said: Dammit, good call Joe. My bad. You are correct in saying need to spend some capital and fix it. I would prefer spending $$ on players you know can play OL. so hard to teach it with practice rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Matt39 said: For reference, Mike Maccagnan's 3 draft classes have produced a total of 2 Touchdowns scored. Macc is a fraud our owners are too dumb to fix the mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 54 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Not one QB this postseason is outright the best player on their offense or team anymore. And if I’m being honest it has made for some pretty good football outside of the primetime Saturday night game that no one should have watched anyway. Including Tom Brady?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said: Yep all you need is ten straight top 10 picks and 6 straight top 5 picks like the Jags TBF, Caldwell's been great 2nd round and through, too. He's been redic last 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I wouldn't say that it's coming to an end, but I think teams are now coming back to more rounded attacks and the RB position is mkaing a comeback. Defenses have gotten smaller and quicker so a physical attack is highlighted to fight that Pretty much this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: Jaksonville has been crushing drafts for 4 straight years. Bortles in 2014 is the red herring unless you look closer and at the situation, it was understandable, Caldwell has, at least, had a plan for 5 years. Need stars not mediocre starters emerging years later like Fowler and Bortles. They’re nowhere without Ramsey or Fournette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, HessStation said: No way bc that wouldn't help my argument. I checked lol. Still coming off a meh yr though. just saying So’s Aaron Rodgers THO. Works in the Jets’ favor during FA anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, HessStation said: Jaksonville has been crushing drafts for 4 straight years. Bortles in 2014 is the red herring unless you look closer and at the situation, it was understandable, Caldwell has, at least, had a plan for 5 years. And it’s taken.....5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 55 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Probably McCown will win a SB if we give him some weapons Ha. Well if we had McCown in 09/10 instead of horrible mark Sanchez we probably get 1st round bye in playoffs both years and probably win 1 Super Bowl at least. If Sanchez was the qb of this team we are picking 2 overall this upcoming draft ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Matt39 said: You build a roster through the draft. Most of his key signings are long gone. His drafts have been comically bad and there's no indication they're going to get better. You're high picks need to be either throwing touchdowns, scoring touchdowns, sacking the QB or intercepting passes. None of his picks have done any of those things. Have you taken into consideration that Jamal Adams is a leader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, SenorGato said: Need stars not mediocre starters emerging years later like Fowler and Bortles. They’re nowhere without Ramsey or Fournette. 2013: Omameh starting LG UDFA 2014: Robinson Pro Bowler WR 2nd round, Smith All Pro 5th round, Linder Pro Bowl OC 3rd round, Lee Good Starting WR 2nd round, Hurns UDFA 2015: Fowler is an emerging star 1st round, Yeldon is a great 2nd RB 2nd round, Cann is a stud OG 3rd round, Koyack solid TE 7th round 2016: Ramsey All Pro caliber 1st, Jack is a stud 2nd round, Ngakoue is a stud pass rusher 3rd round 2017: Fournette All Pro caliber 1st, Robinson stud in the 2nd round, Smoot stud DL 3rd round, Westbrook looks really good 4th, Brown's contributed 5th round An amazing job. In five years.... Offense: 4-5 starters on OL all drafted and all are good to great. A pro bowl RB plus a really good back up, A pro bowl WR plus a really good starter plus their #3 and #4 WRs, starting TE in 7th (although shares time with Lewis)....and well, Bortles Defense: 2 Pro Bowl caliber DL plus 2 huge FA signing plus Smoot contributing, 1 All Pro LB plus Jack who could be a pro bowler, All Pro DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, redlichtie said: And it’s taken.....5 years True. Need to see some development and as I've said in other threads, Mac really needs to start nailing some picks and not just one. Depends how you see guys like Maye and Jenkins coming along etc. The problem is Caldwell has nailed it at every position through 5 years. We'll see but Mac has ALOT of cathcing up to do. Where's the OG's as in plural? OC? OT? LB? CB? RB? WRs? multiple DL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, Matt39 said: For reference, Mike Maccagnan's 3 draft classes have produced a total of 2 Touchdowns scored. Sweet Christ. The ******* safety they drafted at six overall single-handedly gave up seven TDs this year alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Sweet Christ. The ******* safety they drafted at six overall single-handedly gave up seven TDs this year alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Top 4 seeds, NE, Pitts, Phil, MN.. QB DVOA rank of top 4 seeds = 2,8,5,1 QBR 4,7,2,3 DYAR 1,5,9,4 How exactly is this the year that proves you don't need a QB playing top notch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: True. Need to see some development and as I've said in other threads, Mac really needs to start nailing some picks and not just one. Depends how you see guys like Maye and Jenkins coming along etc. The problem is Caldwell has nailed it at every position through 5 years. We'll see but Mac has ALOT of cathcing up to do. Agree.... although don’t forget it’s not just about the draft, you build a roster a number of ways. FA, trades, waivers etc all add up. There’s no question this is a critical offseason where he has to nail not only the draft but FA too but it’s taken the Jags & Caldwell 5 years(and a coaching change btw)for it to start coming together. I’m giving Maccagnan at least 4 years. It would help if the coach then went out and made the most of the players he’s given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, slats said: Get back to me when Blake Bortles beats Tom Brady in NE. Gonna take a rain check on that and we will talk when Case Keenum beats Tommy Brady in the Super Bowl. Home game for the Vikings lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Larz said: Who is this person I need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Sweet Christ. The ******* safety they drafted at six overall single-handedly gave up seven TDs this year alone. Take that back - it's 3. Mcguire has 2, Devin Smith has 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, Matt39 said: You build a roster through the draft. Most of his key signings are long gone. His drafts have been comically bad and there's no indication they're going to get better. You're high picks need to be either throwing touchdowns, scoring touchdowns, sacking the QB or intercepting passes. None of his picks have done any of those things. If we get production out of players that weren't drafted why is that a detriment? It's not like we've overpaid anyone or invested a 1st on offense. Let's see what we do in an offseason where offense looks like the priority before we start pouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Who is this person I need The most famous rack on earth From now on when you try to make me sad I will try to make me happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 So more Maccagnan hating. What else is new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, redlichtie said: Agree.... although don’t forget it’s not just about the draft, you build a roster a number of ways. FA, trades, waivers etc all add up. There’s no question this is a critical offseason where he has to nail not only the draft but FA too but it’s taken the Jags & Caldwell 5 years(and a coaching change btw)for it to start coming together. I’m giving Maccagnan at least 4 years. It would help if the coach then went out and made the most of the players he’s given As a disclaimer Caldwell's done it in 4 years with a bad rookie draft in 2013 but he did land their starting RG as an UDFA in 13. Mac is behind the 8 ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, HessStation said: As a disclaimer Caldwell's done it in 4 years with a bad rookie draft in 2013 but he did land their starting RG as an UDFA in 13. Mac is behind the 8 ball Why are we comparing these two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, HessStation said: 2013: Omameh starting LG UDFA 2014: Robinson Pro Bowler WR 2nd round, Smith All Pro 5th round, Linder Pro Bowl OC 3rd round, Lee Good Starting WR 2nd round, Hurns UDFA 2015: Fowler is an emerging star 1st round, Yeldon is a great 2nd RB 2nd round, Cann is a stud OG 3rd round, Koyack solid TE 7th round 2016: Ramsey All Pro caliber 1st, Jack is a stud 2nd round, Ngakoue is a stud pass rusher 3rd round 2017: Fournette All Pro caliber 1st, Robinson stud in the 2nd round, Smoot stud DL 3rd round, Westbrook looks really good 4th, Brown's contributed 5th round An amazing job. In five years.... Offense: 4-5 starters on OL all drafted and all are good to great. A pro bowl RB plus a really good back up, A pro bowl WR plus a really good starter plus their #3 and #4 WRs, starting TE in 7th (although shares time with Lewis)....and well, Bortles Defense: 2 Pro Bowl caliber DL plus 2 huge FA signing plus Smoot contributing, 1 All Pro LB plus Jack who could be a pro bowler, All Pro DB If that’s all it takes to be amazing then I continue to be excited about where the Jets can/will be this time next year. None of these matter without Ramsey and Fournette being top of the league players. I take out of this that the Jets can both write and rewrite history with some not so distant success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, flgreen said: They don't have to give anything away, just pay the man, and draft Barkley at 6. Top 10 O I don’t think they need to trade up. I’d rather stay put or trade back but a lot of posters think you need to get a QB with the first or second pick in order to make it to the championship games. Look at what QBs are left. Only one was draft high (Bortles 3rd over all) the rest are late 2nd, 3rd, 6th OT undrafted. I’d rather have a balanced team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, SenorGato said: Not one QB this postseason is outright the best player on their offense or team anymore. And if I’m being honest it has made for some pretty good football outside of the primetime Saturday night game that no one should have watched anyway. AFC Superbowl QB Since 2004: 04: Tom Brady05: Tom Brady06: Ben Roethlisberger07: Peyton Manning08: Tom Brady09: Ben Roethlisberger10: Peyton Manning11: Ben Roethlisberger12: Tom Brady13: Joe Flacco14: Peyton Manning15: Tom Brady16: Peyton Manning17: Tom Brady 18: Brady or Bortles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, Matt39 said: For reference, Mike Maccagnan's 3 draft classes have produced a total of 2 Touchdowns scored. Sweet merciful crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, SenorGato said: Not one QB this postseason is outright the best player on their offense or team anymore. And if I’m being honest it has made for some pretty good football outside of the primetime Saturday night game that no one should have watched anyway. Tom Brady without him Pats are nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: AFC Superbowl QB Since 2004: 04: Tom Brady05: Tom Brady06: Ben Roethlisberger07: Peyton Manning08: Tom Brady09: Ben Roethlisberger10: Peyton Manning11: Ben Roethlisberger12: Tom Brady13: Joe Flacco14: Peyton Manning15: Tom Brady16: Peyton Manning17: Tom Brady 18: Brady or Bortles Other way around Ben played in 10’ Peyton in 09’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Larz said: The most famous rack on earth From now on when you try to make me sad I will try to make me happy This is why we made you captain, Larz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Bortles keenum foles. Yep real household names Foles got there on the back of Wentz. Bortles got there on the back of his defense and a very weak AFC. He will get his comeuppance next week in New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: AFC Superbowl QB Since 2004: 04: Tom Brady05: Tom Brady06: Ben Roethlisberger07: Peyton Manning08: Tom Brady09: Ben Roethlisberger10: Peyton Manning11: Ben Roethlisberger12: Tom Brady13: Joe Flacco14: Peyton Manning15: Tom Brady16: Peyton Manning17: Tom Brady 18: Brady or Bortles I’m not sure what the point is here. I didn’t say it started dying in 2004! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, SenorGato said: I’m not sure what the point is here. I didn’t say it started dying in 2004! Where is your evidence that things are changing this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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