Philc1 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 15 hours ago, johnnysd said: Defense does NOT win championships. The best balanced teams in the playoffs DO We’ve had an insanely defense first philosophy last 15+ years time to change it up a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said: Yes! You're at your best right now. Two different threads! after 4 seasons: Eli Manning: 987-1805, 55%, 11385 yds, 77 TDs, 64 INTs, 73.4 rating Blake Bortles: 1318-2229, 59.1%, 14928 yds, 90 TDs, 64 INts, 80.8 rating if you prorate Eli's attempts to Bortles: 14,059 yds(869 less than Bortles) 95 TDs(5 more than Bortles) 79 INts(15 more than TO machine Bortles) First 2 playoff games? Eli: 26-45, 58%, 274 yds, 2 TDs, 4 INts, 53.4 rating led O to 10 PPG, 0-2 record Bortles: 26-49, 53%, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 85.5 rating, led O to 24 PPG, 2-0 record Oh by the way, the 38 points Bortles led his O to yesterday was MORE than Eli ever led an O to in any of his playoff games throughout his 14 year career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Elite QB's win Super Bowls and this year will be no exception when Brady wins another one. The Foles, Keenum, Bortles, story lines are nice but QB is king in this league and with all of the rules shifting towards helping the offensive side of the ball over the last few years, QB will continue to be king. I'll take my chances with Brees, Rothlisberger, Brady, Rodgers over Keenum, Foles, Bortles any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 hours ago, ChuckkieB said: Elite QB's win Super Bowls and this year will be no exception when Brady wins another one. The Foles, Keenum, Bortles, story lines are nice but QB is king in this league and with all of the rules shifting towards helping the offensive side of the ball over the last few years, QB will continue to be king. I'll take my chances with Brees, Rothlisberger, Brady, Rodgers over Keenum, Foles, Bortles any day of the week. In most years but non elite QBs have won plenty of SBs: 50 peyton was awful 47 Flacco was not elite though he did play like it in that postseason run 46 Eli 42 Eli 37 Brad Johnson 35 Dilfer 26 Mark Rypien though he played elite that season 25 Jeff Hostetler 22 Doug Williams 21 Phil Simms 20 Jim McMahon 18 Jim Plunkett 15 Jim Plunkett 5 Unitas- wasn't elite at the time You'd still rather have an elite guy but it's been done many times before w/o an elite QB. it looks easy for Brady and NE but it looked easy in 2007 and 2011 too and we know how that worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I will take my chances with an elite QB hah Brady or Bortles no contest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, faba said: I will take my chances with an elite QB hah Brady or Bortles no contest It's usually no contest Brady vs. any QB, it's foolish to bet against a man that is 26-9 in the playoffs, has won 5 SBs, been to 7 and been in the AFC title game 7 straight years BUT it was foolish to bet against Brady in SBs 42 & 46, jax has a chance. They are built like NYG was when they upset them and like we were when we upset them. QB mismatch but great D gave those teams a chance. jax can do this, they may not but they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 5:31 PM, Obrien2Toon said: Yep all you need is ten straight top 10 picks and 6 straight top 5 picks like the Jags Well not really. If your scouting department is sh*te all the picks in the world won't matter. Just ask the Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 2:10 PM, slimjasi said: You are missing the point. The point is that having a "franchise QB" gives you a much better chance to consistently field a competitively viable team that can actually contend for a championship. Starting QBs of the NFC Playoff teams - Carson Wentz, Case Keenum, Jared Goff, Drew Brees, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan. Starting QBs of the AFC Playoff teams - Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Blake Bortles, Alex Smith (debatable), Marcus Mariota, Tyrod Taylor. All of the bolded guys (8 out of 12 playoff QBs) are either well established franchise QBs OR look like they have a great chance to be. (Also, I could have easily included Alex Smith and Keenum is only 29). And the guys that are unbolded needed nearly perfect circumstances surrounding them to get where they are. That's not a sustainable method towards long-term success. I'd rather be elite at one position and be a perennial contender than have to work my a$$ off....and eventually spend a lot of money, to be elite at the other 21 spots on the field, + special teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 6:52 PM, HawkeyeJet said: The thing I think gets loss in all of this is there is an enormous difference between a HOF QB and a franchise QB. It is really a pet peeve of mine when people say something like, "Tom Brady, case closed". Tom Brady is the exception, hell he's even a step past the exception. Belicheck and Brady as a duo are the reasons for their dominance. Neither individually would be nearly as prolific without the other. A "franchise" QB doesn't guaranty crap. Matthew Stafford is a franchise QB, the Lions aren't any sort of sure thing. Philip Rivers is a franchise QB. Jameis Winston. Andrew Luck. There are lots of examples. Bottom line is if you do not have an elite, first ballot HOF type QB, it still comes down to having a complete roster and good coaching. Correct. But at least having a franchise QB allows you to just "set and forget". In other words, you don't need to worry about trying to upgrade at the QB position for a decade, which is always the hardest position to evaluate. NOT having a franchise QB gives you no real shot. Having one gives you a shot, even if its just a small one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 8:59 PM, King P said: No, I'd rather they'd get a talented QB at a a much lower price and allocate resources elsewhere rather than dump a sh*tload of money towards a QB who I feel is completely overrated and not the game changer everybody makes him out to be Cool. Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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